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BzaDem

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62. The candidates who wanted to repeal the mandate also wanted to repeal guaranteed issue and community

Sun Mar 11, 2012, 02:29 AM

Mar 2012

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And even the liberals who claim they want to repeal the mandate without repealing guaranteed issue/community rating simply don't understand healthcare economics. Guaranteed issue can't exist without a mandate, and a public option certainly could not exist without a mandate. (The public option would get those with health conditions, driving public option premiums up and driving the healthy out.)

Even if we lost the majority due to the bill (which I think is debatable), it was well worth it. That happened to be the judgement of every single progressive Congressperson and Senator in Congress. They were correct, and those that disagree are wrong. Fortunately, those that disagree are such a tiny portion of liberals in the US that they are not sufficiently relevant to drive the party in the wrong direction.

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Hoyer Finally Admits the Obvious: Health Care Bill Killed the Dems in 2010 - FDL [View all] WillyT Mar 2012 OP

In other news.. water is still wet... JSnuffy Mar 2012 #1

I still don't forgive the Dem Pols for that legislative cop-out and betrayal to the insur. industry. leveymg Mar 2012 #2

GODDAMNIT!! The healthcare bill itself wasn't the problem.. It was the relentless, annabanana Mar 2012 #3

It seems to me that a lot of dem's enjoy being the victim. russspeakeasy Mar 2012 #4

The lack of a public option, lack of universal health coverage, is a problem. yardwork Mar 2012 #5

That's bull, the right wing argument against the health bill sufrommich Mar 2012 #23

Not Really... Because When They Bailed On The Public Option, Many On The Left... WillyT Mar 2012 #27

Why did that "withdrawal" seem to mostly affect Blue Dog districts? LoZoccolo Mar 2012 #56

The legislation wasn't socialist enough. yardwork Mar 2012 #36

Exactly. I saw exactly that in Wisconsin. Jackpine Radical Mar 2012 #38

Yes! I worked the phones in WI too Greybnk48 Mar 2012 #82

that's how i feel CreekDog Mar 2012 #41

the right was gonna scream "socialism" anyway mackattack Mar 2012 #79

^ True. ^ Mimosa Mar 2012 #98

They wouldn't have to push the "Spin" if they had done the will of the PEOPLE in the first place. Vincardog Mar 2012 #7

+1 rudycantfail Mar 2012 #47

In the future what is going to be blamed for the downfall of America? Initech Mar 2012 #8

no, it was the lack of a single payer option that poisoned the iemitsu Mar 2012 #9

Fox has the money to spend terrencers515 Mar 2012 #15

yes, it was the right wing lies about the bill that hurt Dems ThomThom Mar 2012 #73

The temper tantrum didn't only come from Fox... SidDithers Mar 2012 #77

You are largely right, but here is some more to add to why the GOP has a good election in 2010. RBInMaine Mar 2012 #99

This is ProSense Mar 2012 #6

Leave it to Fire Dog Lake to cite a study that actually says the opposite of what they want. LoZoccolo Mar 2012 #25

Good question. Robb Mar 2012 #40

As I used to say: LoZoccolo Mar 2012 #44

Bingo!! abolugi Mar 2012 #39

It's not the health bill entirely. Turbineguy Mar 2012 #10

It should have been a medicare for all libtodeath Mar 2012 #11

That could not have PASSED. What we got was a good STEP forward though. RBInMaine Mar 2012 #100

You have to stand strong or stand down with this challenge to the status quo. Faygo Kid Mar 2012 #12

The Dems didn't try explaining or defending jbnow Mar 2012 #67

And yet, some Dems are reading this the opposite Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #13

Horseshit. Dems failure to embrace it and shove it in the face of Repubs Schema Thing Mar 2012 #14

Exactly right. n/t cynatnite Mar 2012 #45

+1...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #78

A public option may have not have been enough to change that. Much of the fear was about what jwirr Mar 2012 #16

I'm ProSense Mar 2012 #19

Yes, that is a good point. jwirr Mar 2012 #20

I agree or they would have run on adding a public option Johonny Mar 2012 #26

It was two steps forward and one back as progress often is. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #17

What killed the Democrats in 2010 was their lack of a spine liberal N proud Mar 2012 #18

Bingo. n/t FourScore Mar 2012 #83

Oh that is some world-class spin. LoZoccolo Mar 2012 #21

Although the GOP ginned up opposition to the ACA by calling it a government takeover of healthcare, bornskeptic Mar 2012 #43

Well gee, I wonder where some of that money could be made up.......... socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #51

Which means we will never see another sufrommich Mar 2012 #22

Because the public option was the most popular part of the HC socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #28

That doesn't really explain people voting for the republican sufrommich Mar 2012 #29

Well, it was an off year election with a fired up base.......... socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #31

Great Analysis !!! WillyT Mar 2012 #32

Actually, if you look at the analysis of who voted in sufrommich Mar 2012 #33

No, the MSM fired up the base by inventing the faux Tea Party. joshcryer Mar 2012 #57

Republicans and Democrats were used against each other woo me with science Mar 2012 #81

I believe a public option was polling pretty high at the time. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #61

77% rudycantfail Mar 2012 #71

K & R Better Believe It Mar 2012 #24

We did not have the votes for a public option davidthegnome Mar 2012 #30

I think a public option without a dedicated revenue source was a horrible idea Recursion Mar 2012 #74

It's amazing how many DUers refuse to understand this simple concept. Alexander Mar 2012 #34

It is amazing. rudycantfail Mar 2012 #72

Backbone failure is what killed the dems. Especially failure on a public option on point Mar 2012 #35

The whole plan, to me, seemed....... nolabels Mar 2012 #91

We had cowards in place at a time when courage was required...... RagAss Mar 2012 #37

Um, economy, war, continued repression of our civil liberties? Downtown Hound Mar 2012 #42

The party would have been rudycantfail Mar 2012 #46

"Democratic incumbents who supported health care reform were seen as more liberal on average ... muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #48

UP IS DOWN. BLACK IS WHITE. WAR IS PEACE. joshcryer Mar 2012 #55

Yep! Damn' those death panels! bornskeptic Mar 2012 #49

The Republicans were able to carry on their propaganda campaign BECAUSE Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #50

Think it is bad now? Wait till 2014, bvar22 Mar 2012 #52

I wouldn't count on it. BzaDem Mar 2012 #63

Medicaid will only be extended to people making 133% of the poverty level dflprincess Mar 2012 #89

No, right wing fear and intimidation was what killed the dems in 2010. joshcryer Mar 2012 #53

Not enough Dems spoke up for it. It was the spin by the RW that hurt Dems in 2010 and no anti- nanabugg Mar 2012 #54

Baby steps. Swede Mar 2012 #58

But it was because the bill was considered too liberal. gulliver Mar 2012 #59

The blue dogs lost to candidates who promised to repeal the mandate.. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #60

The candidates who wanted to repeal the mandate also wanted to repeal guaranteed issue and community BzaDem Mar 2012 #62

I bet there are at least a few people wondering why so many don't bother with this site anymore. Umbral Mar 2012 #64

Please... Elaborate... WillyT Mar 2012 #65

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You are exactly right. woo me with science Mar 2012 #76

+1 Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #84

I guess it means to defend people with D's after their name Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #86

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Mar 2012 #88

the reason PO and 2010 was a disaster was because THE LEFT HAD NO CLUE WHAT TEAM RUSHBO WAS certainot Mar 2012 #66

It wasn't "the Left" that didn't have a clue; it was the Establishment Dems Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #87

but until now there has been no organized opposition to RW radio and i've been told for years certainot Mar 2012 #90

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Yup, and the Dems let it happen Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #95

the dems, left screwed up big time certainot Mar 2012 #97

Incorrect. It was abandoning Howard Dean's 50 State Strategy. NuttyFluffers Mar 2012 #68

Why is no one mentioning the lies about "cutting Medicare" that were the critical factor eridani Mar 2012 #70

K&R Wake up, America, and smell the collusion. woo me with science Mar 2012 #75

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Kick woo me with science Mar 2012 #85

I've always thought the answer for the mid term losses Elric Mar 2012 #92

Exactly ... lack of HC didn't have them on unemployment and underwater. nt BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #96