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Octafish

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100. That term makes a handy label with which to smear good people.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:24 PM
Nov 2013

Here are the speakers:



Gary L. Aguilar, M.D.
Head, Division of Ophthalmology, Saint Francis Memorial Hospital, San Francisco; Assistant Clinical Professor of Ophthalmology, Stanford University and University of California; independent researcher

Daniel S. Alcorn, J.D.
Freedom of Information Act attorney, Washington, D.C.

Russ Baker
Author, Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America's Invisible Government and the Secret History of the Last Fifty Years; founder and editor-in-chief, WhoWhatWhy.com

Rex Bradford
President, Mary Ferrell Foundation; Vice President, Assassination Archives and Research Center; computer game and web developer and online records advocate, Ipswich, MA

Walt Brown, Ph.D.
Professor of history, Ramapo College, Mahwah, NJ; author, The People v. Lee Harvey Oswald, The Warren Omission and Treachery in Dallas; former special agent, U.S. Department of Justice

James DiEugenio
Economics and U.S. history teacher, Los Angeles; author, Destiny Betrayed and Reclaiming Parkland (forthcoming); co-editor, The Assassinations: Probe Magazine on JFK, MLK, RFK and Malcolm X

Sherry P. Fiester
Author, Enemy of Truth: Myths, Forensics, and the JFK Assassination; former senior crime scene analyst and court-certified expert, Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida

Keith Fitzgerald
Independent researcher, Concord, NH

Robert J. Groden
Author, High Treason and The Killing of the President; photographic consultant, U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations; chief consultant, JFK; senior program consultant, The Men Who Killed Kennedy

Dan Hardway, J.D.
Private attorney, Cowen, WV; former researcher/investigator, U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations

John Judge
Founder and executive director, Coalition on Political Assassinations; co-founder, Committee for an Open Archives

William E. Kelly
Independent researcher; founder, Committee for an Open Archive; co-founder, Coalition on Political Assassinations

Mark Lane, J.D.
Attorney, social activist and author, Rush to Judgment, A Citizen's Dissent, and The Last Word: My Indictment of the CIA in the Murder of JFK

James H. Lesar, J.D.
Freedom of Information Act attorney, Washington, D.C.; President, Assassination Archives and Research Center

Brian D. Litman
Principal, General Alchemy, San Francisco; former special media consultant/producer, KGB Veterans Association, Moscow

David W. Mantik, M.D., Ph.D.
Radiation oncologist and former professor of physics, University of Wisconsin; contributor, Assassination Science, Murder in Dealey Plaza and The Great Zapruder Film Hoax

Robert N. McClelland, M.D. (by videoconference)
Professor Emeritus, University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center; former Parkland Hospital surgeon

Joan Mellen, Ph.D.
Author, A Farwell to Justice and Our Man in Haiti; professor of English, Temple University

Jefferson Morley
Author, Our Man in Mexico: Winston Scott and the Hidden History of the CIA; former correspondent and editor, The Washington Post and Center for Independent Media

Tim Nicholson
Independent researcher and software engineer

Lisa Pease
Chief Archivist, Real History Archives; Co-author/co-editor, The Assassinations: Probe Magazine on JFK, MLK, RFK and Malcolm X

Jerry Policoff
Independent researcher and journalist, Lancaster, PA; Executive director, Assassination Archives and Research Center

Larry J. Sabato, Ph.D.
Robert Kent Gooch Professor of Politics, University of Virginia and director, University of Virginia Center for Politics; author, The Kennedy Half-Century

Patrick J. Speer
Independent researcher

Oliver Stone
Director, JFK; director and narrator, Untold History of the United States

Jeffrey Sundberg, MSEE, MS
Electrical engineer, University of Arizona; independent researcher

David Talbot
Author, Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years; Founder and Former Editor in Chief, salon.com

Robert K. Tanenbaum, J.D.
Attorney, expert and legal commentator, Los Angeles; author, Echoes of My Soul, Tragic and Corruption of Blood; former deputy chief counsel, U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations

Donald Thomas, Ph.D.
Author, Hear No Evil and Acoustical Evidence in the Kennedy Assassination Revisited; U.S. Government research scientist; graduate faculty member, University of Texas, Pan-American

Josiah Thompson, Ph.D.
Private Investigator; author, Six Seconds in Dallas: A Micro-Study of the Kennedy Assassination

Cyril H. Wecht, M.D., J.D.
Forensic pathology consultant, author and lecturer; Member, Forensic Pathology Panel, U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations; Consultant, JFK



I heard most of them speak. Of them, not one spoke of "birth certificates," nor "9-11 truth" or "truthers" as you like to label them.

What I think: People who work to label those who are interested in discussing what they've learned about the assassination of President Kennedy in negative terms are doing a great disservice to the United States and democracy.

One more thing, Mark Lane, one of the people you enjoy labeling and smearing, was a personal friend of President Kennedy and Senator Kennedy. Mr. Lane also served as a member of the New York State legislature as a Democrat. Readers should know you've never voted for a Democrat, SidDithers.

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I think Obama may be facing the same kind of opposition and a lot of things are beyond kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #1
My thoughts on the eve of Predident Obama's inauguration... Octafish Nov 2013 #28
You called that one spot on, too Octafish. loudsue Nov 2013 #74
I disagree with you. Unknown Beatle Jan 2016 #180
Dulles (R - BFEE - Occultist) Berlum Nov 2013 #2
Cloak and Dagger had no place on the Warren Commission... Octafish Nov 2013 #32
Omg! I knew a little about this, but like so many others, found it hard to process. But if we are sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #71
Boston Globe: RFK never believed the Warren Commission MinM Jul 2015 #177
I suppose it would make many of our heads to spin... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #3
I'm not sure if we can handle the truth. (n/t) spin Nov 2013 #5
Indeed, be care with those United Fruit people DrDebug Nov 2013 #4
Rec your post! Demeter Nov 2013 #11
Allen Dulles and JCS chairman Lemnitzer told JFK the best time to attack USSR was 'Fall 1963' Octafish Nov 2013 #20
Very interesting story DrDebug Nov 2013 #73
I missed this when it first came up--this is crucial lost history yurbud Mar 2014 #176
Thank you for this post and the cartoon. LongTomH Nov 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author MFrohike Nov 2013 #46
A lot of people probably don't know this major policy speech President Kennedy gave... Historic NY Nov 2013 #98
Thanks for that! n/t hootinholler Nov 2013 #105
Thank you, Historic NY! Octafish Dec 2013 #161
Thank you for posting that lake loon Nov 2013 #123
Can you state, in simple, declarative sentences, Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #6
I think it only fair if you go first. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #7
Really? Ok. Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone. Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #10
That was simple and I am guessing you prefer simple. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #15
Wait - asking someone to state a belief is shutting down conversation? Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #16
I wasnt referring to you. I clearly said that I was not accusing you. I dont even know rhett o rick Nov 2013 #18
+100 (nt) reACTIONary Nov 2013 #93
Oh no! Things to read! JackRiddler Aug 2015 #178
I don't know. That's why I want to see ALL the government's JFK records opened. Octafish Nov 2013 #17
Oswald was impersonated? Really? hack89 Nov 2013 #42
No one at Duquesne expressed condescension and bullying to those with opposing views. Octafish Nov 2013 #50
If that is what passes as "proof" in the JFK CT industry hack89 Nov 2013 #51
The problem isn't what I know or can can prove. The problem is CIA and secret government. Octafish Nov 2013 #61
Thanks for the links to those journals. So helpful. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #72
You have created the perfect self licking ice cream cone hack89 Nov 2013 #78
10 Points of Agreement on Political Assassinations Octafish Nov 2013 #89
That is some concentrated industrial strength woo there. hack89 Nov 2013 #91
After a quick scan... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #94
It's easy to label, hack89. Nothing there is woo. It's fact. Octafish Nov 2013 #97
Provably false assertions. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #125
Time waster. Octafish Nov 2013 #126
It's all false. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #127
The case against Oswald... Octafish Nov 2013 #128
Nope. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #130
Like I wrote: Time Waster Octafish Nov 2013 #133
You're making assertions. Back them up. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #135
You brought up Dr. Petty. I showed where Dr. Petty is coming from. Octafish Nov 2013 #136
Not really, you haven't. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #139
"10 Points" updated url johnnyreb Nov 2013 #142
"This takes me back to the good old days in the old 911 forum. Truthers had reams of "evidence" too. dotymed Nov 2013 #80
The similarities are striking, aren't they?... SidDithers Nov 2013 #99
That term makes a handy label with which to smear good people. Octafish Nov 2013 #100
Sid dithers, I just read you've never voted for a Democrat.. 2banon Nov 2013 #117
... SidDithers Nov 2013 #121
He's a Canadian. grasswire Nov 2013 #153
You are right in a way. Who it would not draw are authoritarian personalities who are GoneFishin Nov 2013 #101
No, he wasn't being impersonated. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #47
J. Edgar Hoover told LBJ that the Oswald in Mexico City wasn't the same guy in Dallas jail. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #52
That was based on a misidentified photo. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #55
No No No. The FBI Director told POTUS that they had video and voice recordings of the man Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #131
Nope: Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #132
Because he was impersonated in Mexico City. Octafish Nov 2013 #58
No, he wasn't. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #60
Time waster. Octafish Nov 2013 #63
This has nothing to do with that interrogation. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #68
Worst-planned conspiracy ever... YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #149
How do you explain CIA monitoring real and fake Oswalds? Octafish Nov 2013 #151
Oswald was either in Mexico City or meeting with Silvia Odio but NOT BOTH KurtNYC Nov 2013 #95
You "think". Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #115
R#6 & K saluting the inimitable, indefatigable Octafish, gratitude for what he brings here UTUSN Nov 2013 #8
Bartcop has an excellent Reading Room... Octafish Nov 2013 #34
But Bobby named Dulles to the Warren Commission hootinholler Nov 2013 #9
Rumor going back to Gus Russo... Octafish Nov 2013 #38
Actually it's reality going back to Walter Jenkin's 29 November 1963 memo to LBJ Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #49
No where does that say RFK asked Dulles be named to Warren Commission. Octafish Nov 2013 #65
You should read it again. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #67
So, it doesn't say what RFK said. It says what someone else said he said. Octafish Nov 2013 #69
Why would Katzenbach lie? n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #70
To go along with the LBJ plan, which was to keep the USA from going to war with the USSR. Octafish Nov 2013 #81
Why would Katzenbach send this memo to Bill Moyers, before any of the facts were in? Mc Mike Nov 2013 #83
Thanks McMike. That memo is testament that the government was interested in Oswald being framed avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #116
Thanks for the link to the hard copy of the memo, Ava is. Mc Mike Nov 2013 #122
Oh here we go again. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #134
One might think if it were true hootinholler Nov 2013 #88
BFEE Motto: Take the cash and avoid the blame. Octafish Dec 2013 #164
Eisenhower and Smedley Butler Warned us about the MIC and Intelligence agencies. dballance Nov 2013 #12
I've seen it suggested that Eisenhower's policies were being sabotaged starroute Nov 2013 #26
Did Francis Gary Powers ever go on record about that possibility? Octafish Nov 2013 #106
Thanks for that link -- it's good to know where the speculation comes from starroute Nov 2013 #109
That's my summation, for what it's worth.. n/t 2banon Nov 2013 #120
That started in April 1961... Octafish Dec 2013 #163
David Slawson, Warren Commission investigator, tried to warn us and was told to zip it... Octafish Nov 2013 #104
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #13
''The younger Dulles saw no separation between his business and the country's business.'' Octafish Nov 2013 #107
Excellent Stuff... Much Of Which We Suspected... Can't Wait For The Book... WillyT Nov 2013 #114
The JFK assassination was a very important event in all our lives. Thank you for your reports. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #14
I want to second that thanks to the admins BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #37
Dulles assassinated a political ally of President Kennedy three days before JFK's inaugural. Octafish Nov 2013 #113
And thank you for keeping us up to date. Have a great holiday season. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #119
One of the things I am thankful for ... robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #19
I second robertpaulsen's remarks of praise to you Octofish and extend to rhettorick 2banon Nov 2013 #118
after the big 'stinks' caused by assassinations with guns, they discovered small plane crashes certainot Nov 2013 #21
And after that... CanSocDem Nov 2013 #35
Plus Sen. Hale Boggs mc51tc Nov 2013 #45
Also, JFK, Jr., BlueMTexpat Nov 2013 #84
to many preventive 'accidents', and until people quit calling 'tinfoil' every time, it will continue certainot Nov 2013 #145
Mike Connell Octafish Nov 2013 #144
i remember that. there used to be a list of these 'airplane accidents' at unknownnews.net by cheryl certainot Nov 2013 #146
here's something else by her- certainot Nov 2013 #147
As an aside...I hope when he writes the book, he has good proof readers. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #22
Good catch! My bad... Octafish Nov 2013 #24
Ooooops...did not mean to poke at you dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #27
Octafish, have you seen this....? LongTomH Nov 2013 #25
Thank you, LongTomH! Octafish Nov 2013 #110
There is so much essential history to be learned by inquiry into this event. johnnyreb Nov 2013 #29
W. David Slawson is a name few know... Octafish Nov 2013 #112
Thank you Octafish. johnnyreb Nov 2013 #137
There Is Just Too Much Out There Now colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #30
A few points: Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #36
Exactly! micraphone Nov 2013 #40
It couldn't be more obvious BlueStreak Nov 2013 #103
And if you've ever fired a gun, you know ... lake loon Nov 2013 #124
A key procedural thing is that there was no advocate for the truth in these proceedings BlueStreak Nov 2013 #141
Re Jackie's marriage to Aristotle, Mc Mike Nov 2013 #86
There is way too much. OSWALD : No barium or antimony on cheek. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #102
More untruths. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #154
Yes. The Warren Report does support the findings of the Warren Report. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #155
And contradicts your assertions. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #156
You forgot your links to the Warren Report, you know, the source in question. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #157
Okay then, let's presume for just a moment that the conspiracy version is correct. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #158
There was a hole in the windshield, and we don't know about his left brain because it disappeared nt GoneFishin Dec 2013 #168
Crack not a hole. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #169
Not a crack. A bullet hole. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #172
There was no hole in the windshield. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #170
For some reason I was thinking about Bobby Baker & LBJ today. dmr Nov 2013 #31
The investigation of Bobby Baker would have involved not only LBJ, but RFK, Hoover and JFK mc51tc Nov 2013 #48
Bobby Kennedy put Dulles on the Warren Commission. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #33
No. RFK did not 'put Allen Dulles' on the Warren Commission. Octafish Nov 2013 #41
Yes, he did. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #43
You make no sense at all. JFK FIRED Dulles. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #54
And then Bobby asked LBJ to put him on the Warren Commission. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #56
Do you understand that sometimes people are forced into positions? BlueStreak Nov 2013 #64
I think you're exaggerating the antipathy between the Kennedys and Dulles. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #66
I don't know why you bother... YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #150
Wait a minute. So, according to you, this "Bobby picked Dulles" crap is based on ... Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #53
They weren't communicating by ouija board, Zen Democrat. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #57
LBJ himself said it. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #59
You believe him? BootinUp Nov 2013 #62
He also said he didn't believe the Warren Commission report, Mc Mike Nov 2013 #87
LBJ said in 1969, after leaving office, that he always suspected a conspiracy. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #129
I agree with your post #53, and this one, Z.D. Mc Mike Nov 2013 #138
May light be shone in every crook and cranny until the truth, the whole truth triumphs indepat Nov 2013 #39
Thank you, indepat! It is ALL about Justice. Octafish Dec 2013 #159
Confirming imo 'pukes will do whatever is necessary to gain and retain control, a clear and indepat Dec 2013 #160
Thanks so much for the news David Talbot will be publishing Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #44
''Dulles had even less respect for Jack Kennedy's authority than he did for FDR's.'' Octafish Dec 2013 #165
Welcome to the party David … not like this is big news ... rtassi Nov 2013 #75
True. We've talked about it on DU... Octafish Dec 2013 #173
The recent Rolling Stone article by RFK JR., is very enlightening as to his brother's maddiemom Nov 2013 #76
Correction: his uncle's assassination... maddiemom Nov 2013 #77
Robert F. Kennedy saw conspiracy in JFK’s assassination Octafish Dec 2013 #162
TY, Octafish, for your tireless contributions here at DU, and to truth... mother earth Nov 2013 #79
Well said. I agree completely. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #85
Kicked and recommended a shit load. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #82
Thanks, Enthusiast! His book is due in 2015... Octafish Dec 2013 #171
The Oligarchs And Corporations Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Nov 2013 #90
50 years of 'Money trumps peace.' Octafish Dec 2013 #175
Rec. Thanks, Octa. Mc Mike Nov 2013 #92
I completely agree with him. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2013 #96
K&R + some more informative links (Thank you-your DU journal and BFEE series is among the best when bobthedrummer Nov 2013 #108
Thank you, bobthedrummer! Here are the posts on the sad anniversary and the Duquesne Conference... Octafish Nov 2013 #140
The perfect criminal. . . ucrdem Nov 2013 #111
Thanks, ucrdem! Please see Replies # 107 and 165. Octafish Dec 2013 #166
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #143
US News & World Report asked Sabato and 5 other academics: 'Was it a conspiracy?' Octafish Dec 2013 #174
Oh look, let's engage in endless fantastical speculation and fantasy! YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #148
So, apart from insults for his critics, you've nothing to say about Allen Dulles? Octafish Nov 2013 #152
I've heard that before. ananda Dec 2013 #167
His new book on Allen Dulles talks about this Fast Walker 52 Oct 2015 #179
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