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22. The average starting salery...

Sat Nov 30, 2013, 01:16 PM

Nov 2013

... The overall average starting salary for Class of 2013 new college graduates currently stands at $45,327, an increase of 2.4 percent over the reported average of $44,259 for Class of 2012 graduates, according to the September 2013 NACE Salary Survey

Given that, $50K in debt doesn't sound all that onerous to me. The idea that getting a job and doing something economically useful after graduating is somehow an unreasonable deprivation of personal freedom doesn't seem justified to me. Nor do I don't think it is all that hard to combine "economically useful" and "socially beneficial".

I'd like to see opportunities for young folks to be broadened, and the expense of a college education to be reduced. I do see a good deal of room for improvement, but not a terrible injustice.

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Noam Chomsky: Modern universities designed to �deprive you of your freedom� [View all] xchrom Nov 2013 OP

Haven't read it yet. Didn't need to for the K/R. marmar Nov 2013 #1

... xchrom Nov 2013 #3

Ditto. go west young man Nov 2013 #18

k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #2

Another public service turned into a money making racket. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #4

True - and so many kids are trapped from day one. polichick Nov 2013 #25

Yep, debt slavery from day one. What a sendoff in life, eh? nt bemildred Nov 2013 #26

To think that's part of someone's plan is just disturbing - how evil! polichick Nov 2013 #27

He's right. JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #5

Now you get this Chomsky?! The man who works for one of the most OVERPRICED schools in the nation. vaberella Nov 2013 #6

First thing that crossed my mind as well....! Do as I say, not as I do... nt MADem Nov 2013 #30

Yeah? And just who do you work for that makes your hands so damned clean? Maedhros Nov 2013 #39

That's kind of irrelevant. wickerwoman Dec 2013 #42

Do you have anything constructive to post that refutes Professor Chomsky's point, Maedhros Dec 2013 #44

I don't disagree with his point. wickerwoman Dec 2013 #49

It's hard not to see him as a hypocrit since he benefited from living off of... aikoaiko Dec 2013 #53

I don't think so, but maybe Chomsky is a hypocrite. Maedhros Dec 2013 #55

I work for the NY DOE, as a public school teacher. vaberella Dec 2013 #62

What I don't get Maedhros Dec 2013 #64

Actually... my issue is what took him so long? vaberella Dec 2013 #65

I'm not defending Chomsky, per se. Maedhros Dec 2013 #71

If that is how you interpret my post then so be it. vaberella Dec 2013 #72

My maternal grandfather grew up very poor during the Depression but earned a PhD in physics nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #43

Exactly my point. vaberella Dec 2013 #63

Kicked and recommended a substantial amount.....nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #7

Outside of MIT and the Bible "universities," what do you hear about colleges? Archae Nov 2013 #8

We're exceptional walkingman Nov 2013 #9

It's the fluoridated water. watoos Nov 2013 #12

Welcome to DU walkingman! Maraya1969 Nov 2013 #14

Nice post. go west young man Nov 2013 #19

k and r niyad Nov 2013 #10

K&R.... daleanime Nov 2013 #11

Got to hear him speak, once Saviolo Nov 2013 #13

chomsky is on target, again. k n r. nt Sheri Nov 2013 #15

Hoes does he reconcile his views with working for an expensive universities? aikoaiko Nov 2013 #16

He has to make a living some kind of way, I guess... nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #45

how much has he given back to help his students dlwickham Dec 2013 #51

Amen...that's what I would like to know. vaberella Dec 2013 #66

I'm tired of people only talking about issues dlwickham Dec 2013 #74

Good to hear. Unfortunately even state schools and colleges are prohibitive these days, particularly Mass Nov 2013 #17

His daughter teaches at Salem State Marrah_G Dec 2013 #48

Dreamer Tatum: Noam Chomsky is a whiny bore nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #20

So you think exorbitant tuition *hasn't* become an important societal issue? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #46

Yes. High school senior, consider an alternative. freedom fighter jh Nov 2013 #21

Community colleges are built to teach ... SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2013 #54

I think you clarified a point on which I was vague. freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #56

Oh, no ... I was agreeing. You were clear. SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2013 #57

The average starting salery... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #22

The NACE numbers don't jibe with what I see happen with new graduates caraher Nov 2013 #24

Here is an independent collaborating report... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #33

What's the *median*, college boy? Romulox Nov 2013 #29

In a normal distribution... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #32

LOL. "Normal distribution" my eye. Romulox Nov 2013 #34

I don't think you are on point... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #36

There is not a "normal distribution" of wealth in America. Nor is "median" and "average" the same. Romulox Dec 2013 #52

The distribution of wealth amoungst Americans... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #61

...Says the tenured MIT professor whose own school costs $42k per year, hughee99 Nov 2013 #23

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #28

Says the tenured MIT prof? nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #31

at least he's protected enough to say it n/t Iris Dec 2013 #50

My prediction.... llmart Nov 2013 #35

I have been telling people for nearly twenty years now SheilaT Nov 2013 #37

I just paid off my student loans... RoccoRyg Nov 2013 #38

How many of our kids in America get that? vaberella Dec 2013 #67

It deprives them of their freedom" philosslayer Nov 2013 #40

St Peter don't you call me because I can't go Fumesucker Dec 2013 #47

My sister was in her 40s and was a college student. Lugnut Dec 2013 #41

So when he shows up at the job what his excuse then? nolabels Dec 2013 #58

I agree with a lot here except the word "designed". Silent3 Dec 2013 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #60

Sorry Noam, but I didn't need to hear from you on that. lonestarnot Dec 2013 #68

We have so much to fix, it's overwhelming. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #69

I don't see how high tuition leads to "indoctrination." Vattel Dec 2013 #70

my memory only goes back to perhaps 1972 hfojvt Dec 2013 #73