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DanTex

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Sat Nov 30, 2013, 01:29 PM Nov 2013

A short history of lone nuts shooting US presidents. [View all]

Looking at the history of US presidential assassinations and attempts, there is no precedent at all for the kind of large conspiracy that JFK CTers believe in. Presidential assassinations and attempts are almost always the work of lone nuts, or else small groups of nuts without ties to any powerful interests in the government/CIA/MIC/mafia or any of the other usual suspects.

Four presidents have been assassinated:
• Lincoln: killed by John Wilkes Booth, Confederate sympathizer who had two co-conspirators, but with no ties to outside organizations or powerful interests.
• Garfield: killed by Charles J. Guiteau, a lone nut.
• McKinley: killed by Leon Czolgosz, a lone nut/anarchist.
• JFK: killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, a lone nut/Castro sympathizer.

Two presidents have been shot but not killed:
• Teddy Roosevelt: shot by John Flammang Schrank, a lone nut.
• Reagan: shot by John Hinkley Jr, a lone nut.

Four presidents have been shot at but not hit:
• Jackson: shot at by Richard Lawrence, a lone nut.
• FDR: shot at by Giuseppe Zangara, a lone nut.
• Truman: gunmen Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola stormed Blair house to try and kill Truman. They were Puerto Rican separatists, with no links to outside groups or powerful interests.
• Ford: shot at by lone nut Sara Jane Moore. On another occasion, Lynette Fromme, another lone nut, pulled a gun on him but didn't fire.
Also, during both the Clinton and W presidencies, a lone nut fired shots at the White House from outside the gate.

Looking at Wikipedia's list of presidential assassination plots, the only events that could be considered organized conspiracy by powerful interests to assassinate the president would be:
• Saddam Hussein tried to have Bush Sr assassinated in Kuwait. (Probably the biggest conspiracy to kill a US president ever, and ironically a member of the BFEE was the intended victim)
• Osama bin Laden tried to have Clinton assassinated in Manila.

But nothing along the lines of a conspiracy involving the CIA or any other part of the government, or any powerful economic interests outside of government, or anything remotely resembling the kind of plot that would satisfy JFK conspiracy theorists' desires that the most powerful man in the world be taken down by an equally powerful adversary.

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Lone nuts with deadly weapons Freddie Nov 2013 #1
The Lone Nut Anti-Defamation Society deplores this OP jberryhill Nov 2013 #2
You misspelled NRA NuclearDem Nov 2013 #27
yes, but JFK & MLK demigoddess Nov 2013 #3
The distance thing is true. However. DanTex Nov 2013 #10
From my reading there were three professional assassination teams in Dallas the day Kennedy was avaistheone1 Dec 2013 #39
That's possible, I suppose. nyquil_man Dec 2013 #42
So who would catch and implicate them? Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #43
Congratulations. You've just made the conspiracy even bigger. nt nyquil_man Dec 2013 #46
It's no secret that Hoover was corrupt Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #47
Would you say the FBI under Hoover and the Dallas Police Department nyquil_man Dec 2013 #48
It's one thing to catch a run-of-the-mill crook Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #49
How about the Secret Service? nyquil_man Dec 2013 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author avaistheone1 Dec 2013 #40
Its gonna be hard BootinUp Nov 2013 #4
I'm surprised that O Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #5
I often think the same thing Freddie Nov 2013 #14
A couple of times I've read that credible threats have been off the charts since 2008 Hekate Dec 2013 #38
Dang and I thought conspiracy theory was American as apple pie. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #6
I blame porn FreeJoe Nov 2013 #7
Exactly pintobean Nov 2013 #8
Gotta love faux history with an agenda. former9thward Nov 2013 #9
I guess it you're going to be a CTer, might as well go all in. DanTex Nov 2013 #12
You headlined your OP "a short history of lone nuts". former9thward Nov 2013 #15
And then in the first paragraph I clarified... DanTex Nov 2013 #17
So they weren't lone nuts as your OP claimed? And you forgot about the attempt on FDR, not sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #19
Those were groups of nuts, as opposed to lone nuts. DanTex Nov 2013 #22
I don't think you understand what a conspiracy is. RC Nov 2013 #28
Oh, I know what the legal definition is. DanTex Nov 2013 #29
So you use your own definitions for your arguments. RC Nov 2013 #31
Not at all. I think any reasonable person can tell the difference DanTex Nov 2013 #32
Wow, a regular bunch of CIA spies in that bunch. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #13
The OP said "lone nuts". former9thward Nov 2013 #16
What "agenda" could I possibly have? DanTex Nov 2013 #18
You should learn to read more than headlines and perhaps you would not be so easily duped. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #26
What's with this "drunks" shit? former9thward Nov 2013 #33
Again, what "agenda" could I possibly have? DanTex Nov 2013 #35
Sorry, I meant the sobriety challenged. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #36
The 9/11 people were certainly not nuts. former9thward Dec 2013 #44
MAY die is not the same thing as WILL die. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #45
Dan, we can post until we are blue in the face... MicaelS Nov 2013 #11
Maybe if you posted facts? The OP has made a claim that has been debunked already. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #20
Where did I claim they were all "lone nuts"? DanTex Nov 2013 #23
There are plausible claims that Zangara was a Mafia hitman starroute Nov 2013 #21
so even when there are 2 assassins or the Booth conspiracy, they are ALL "lone nuts" ? KurtNYC Nov 2013 #24
Sigh... DanTex Nov 2013 #25
Booth was part of a conspiracy Retrograde Nov 2013 #30
Nominally, yes. DanTex Nov 2013 #34
I would suggest the after effects would indicate there was more to some of these. Like Lincoln. n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #37
Certainly. nyquil_man Dec 2013 #41
Interesting Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #51
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