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49. Pat Robertson said in the Eighties that doing business with forced abortion China was okay...
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 02:27 PM
Nov 2013

Because it's 'their own country and they have to do what they have to do,' or words to that effect. At the same time, he was supporting suppression of any abortions in the USA. In his questionable moral code, 'crimes against the fetus' are determined by borders, and business interests.

I watched Blood Diamond Pat have a meltdown on the air as Charles Taylor fell from power. Robertson was wailing how he'd invested so much of CBN monies in the business. Even his co-hosts were amazed at his very passionate display. I don't remember, but I think he shed some real tears over it.

Then he clothed it all in what a good Christian man Taylor was and being smeared by liberals in the USA. Taylor benefited Pat financially so he supported him. All for Gawd, you know.

Charles Taylor: Pat Robertson was my man in Washington
By Colum Lynch - February 4, 2010



Former Liberian President Charles Taylor, testifying in his own war crimes trial today, said that the American conservative evangelist Pat Robertson was awarded a Liberian gold-mining concession in 1999 and subsequently offered to lobby the Bush administration to support his government.

The revelations came in the midst of a U.N.-backed trial of Taylor at The Hague on 11 counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity during Sierra Leone's 1990s civil war. Taylor is accused of directing a Sierra Leone rebel group, the United Revolutionary Front (RUF), in a campaign aimed at securing access to the country's diamond mines. The rebel movement stands accused of committing mass atrocities in the late 1990s in the West African country, including the mutilation of thousands of civilians.

The international prosecutors contend that Taylor offered concessions to Western individuals in exchange for lobbying work aimed at enhancing his image in the United States. The prosecution maintains that Taylor also spent $2.6 million on lobbying firms and public relations outfits in the hopes of influencing the policies of former President Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.

Under cross-examination, Taylor said that Robertson had volunteered to make Liberia's case before U.S. administration officials, and had spoken directly to President Bush about Taylor. He also confirmed that Robertson's company, Freedom Gold Limited, signed an agreement to exploit gold in southeastern Liberia, but that it never generated any profit...


http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/02/05/charles_taylor_pat_robertson_was_my_man_in_washington

While that article I found from one google search didn't say he made any money, what he said on the air about how he'd lost CBN's money, contradicts that to me. More links:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/pat-robertsons-gold-deal-african-dictator/story?id=9749341

http://www.thenation.com/article/153980/televangelist-and-warlord

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/01/14/825050/-Pat-Robertson-Freedom-Gold-and-Blood-Diamonds

More about Pat's business deals under the name of charity:

http://www.democracynow.org/2005/9/9/fema_promotes_pat_robertson_charity

I suspect what Robertson really meant about abortion, like Pat Buchanan had the liberty of stating on air and in books, that the reason abortion in the USA must stop was to increase the number of white babies who Gawd loves in the womb. But those Chinese babies, meh.

No priniciples are involved, profits and politics only. What a bunch of frauds. Sorry, I'm not going to be nice to the right wing religious demagogues who want this nation dragged back to the dark ages.

Pat tried to back away from his comments. This from the guy who wanted Chavez killed, who said that Haitians and New Orleans deserved Gawd's wrath visited upon them, that other locales in the USA also should not be helped for not teaching Creationism or having prayers in their schools, etc. This is the kind of Christianity the Hobby Lobby is pushing.

Pat Robertson Remarks on China Abortions
By GUSTAV NIEBUHR - April 18, 2001

The religious broadcaster Pat Robertson told a CNN interviewer on Monday that the United States should not interfere with population- control policies in China, but yesterday, sounding a note of regret, he said he should have emphasized his anti-abortion views...

In the interview, Mr. Blitzer had asked Mr. Robertson how he reconciled his support for close relations with China with complaints by conservatives that China was promoting "so-called forced abortions."

Mr. Robertson said he would not agree with such a policy. "But at the same time, they've got 1.2 billion people, and they don't know what to do," Mr. Robertson said. "If every family over there was allowed to have three or four children, the population would become completely unsustainable."

After saying China risked political upheaval if unemployment made its population restive, Mr. Robertson said: "So, I think that right now they're doing what they have to do. I don't agree with forced abortion, but I don't think the United States needs to interfere with what they're doing internally in this regard."

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/18/politics/18ABOR.html

Nice whitewash by Wolfie. The Hobby Lobby and Pat have profit before people, lucre before life business plans. They should be hit by the IRS for all of this garbage. Just my cranky opinion this morning.

BTW, Sandra Fluke spoke to their game best:

They are corporations who are now saying what laws they will and will not obey, unilaterally, and ordering citizens to obey their religious beliefs, and not their own, which is a violation of the employees' 1A rights...

People do not surrender their rights as citizens when they go to work, like prisoners do. They have committed no crime to need a job. Or have they? Is that what the Hobby Lobby and other groups are saying, if you are not born independently rich, you should be punished by whatever the boss says?

Sure looks that way to me.


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Because money tops principles. Turbineguy Nov 2013 #1
Because they are only Anti-Abortion for white women Heather MC Nov 2013 #36
Who is John Steward? trumad Nov 2013 #2
The person that takes care of the toilets. progressoid Nov 2013 #9
LOL Martin Eden Nov 2013 #11
Me 2! 12AngryBorneoWildmen Nov 2013 #23
Love that toilet humor! QuestForSense Nov 2013 #66
Good job! nm Cha Dec 2013 #71
Green Lantern. Moonwalk Dec 2013 #70
Sad Sherman A1 Dec 2013 #80
That John Steward [sic] always making a good point. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #3
Made the same comment this past Wed Nov 27th Fla Dem Nov 2013 #4
Not "anti-Christianity," anti-religion yes but, not limited to being anti-Christian. eom DonViejo Nov 2013 #10
This needs to be spread. earthside Nov 2013 #5
You can contact Hobby Lobby here The Blue Flower Nov 2013 #19
I sent them a nice note Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #28
DONE! nikto Nov 2013 #65
I just emailed customern service pangaia Nov 2013 #33
A worthy effort. earthside Nov 2013 #43
I never even heard of Hobby Lobby until today. pangaia Nov 2013 #44
not that Atheist's or Pro-Choice people are bad things... Burf-_- Nov 2013 #61
Welcome to DU, Burf-_-! calimary Dec 2013 #68
Excellent point! kentuck Nov 2013 #6
Very easy to defend…... safeinOhio Nov 2013 #8
They only worship one, Mammon, they give lip service to the other. nt tsuki Nov 2013 #56
sick burn..... Burf-_- Dec 2013 #82
And it seems to me the LAWYERS should be using that as part of their argument. loudsue Nov 2013 #7
I had the same thought warrior1 Nov 2013 #12
Anyone opposed to both contraception and abortion ... Martin Eden Nov 2013 #13
John Steward of The Weekly Show fame? Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #14
jon stewart rocks. nt Sheri Nov 2013 #15
Jon gets his best zingers from Democratic Underground. Scuba Nov 2013 #16
The One child Policy is changing kmlisle Nov 2013 #17
Interestingly the one child policy was starting to have the reverse effect Major Nikon Nov 2013 #20
Males take care of the parents benld74 Nov 2013 #27
Actually males and females take care of their parents in China Major Nikon Nov 2013 #30
this is correct NewJeffCT Nov 2013 #35
I stand corrected benld74 Nov 2013 #59
My sister-in-law NewJeffCT Nov 2013 #62
they didn't factor in traditional beliefs that women are worth less than men dlwickham Dec 2013 #67
The one child policy had an effect on girls that were born, though NewJeffCT Nov 2013 #39
It's only a limited change NewJeffCT Nov 2013 #37
Yes and no jberryhill Nov 2013 #46
Has the OT Senex god ever been rational? ananda Nov 2013 #18
Maybe they share Pat Robertson's view that abortion is evil unless Tanuki Nov 2013 #21
I Said This Years Ago otohara Nov 2013 #22
You can contact their customer service department and ask them that very question. drm604 Nov 2013 #24
So a company which IS sincere can get one? jberryhill Nov 2013 #29
Yes, I said that. drm604 Nov 2013 #34
That's not the way law works jberryhill Nov 2013 #38
Okay. I'm not a lawyer so I shouldn't be speaking to the legal aspects. drm604 Nov 2013 #50
easier said then done Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #52
Understood. drm604 Nov 2013 #55
Bingo. BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #78
k and r niyad Nov 2013 #25
The anti-abortion crowd by and large do not stand on any morals, JEB Nov 2013 #26
Great post, beachbum bob! Enthusiast Nov 2013 #31
So it is okay for their Chinese employees to have abortions/birth control, even mandatory, but DeschutesRiver Nov 2013 #32
Never mind the hypocrisy - granting exemptions based on religious beliefs is just a bad idea. Flatulo Nov 2013 #40
I honestly believe that these rwfreaks wear their hypocrisy as a badge of honour... Tikki Nov 2013 #41
You are correct Bozvotros Dec 2013 #72
Wow. That is a great point. Justice Nov 2013 #42
Apparently abortion is only immoral if it negatively affects their bottom line. progressoid Nov 2013 #45
My comment on Hobby Lobby's Contact Us form NBachers Nov 2013 #47
Daaaaaamn! You're good! TheDebbieDee Nov 2013 #63
well worded commentary to Hobby Lobby beachbum bob Dec 2013 #75
Bullseye! Let's make this a meme The Traveler Nov 2013 #48
Pat Robertson said in the Eighties that doing business with forced abortion China was okay... freshwest Nov 2013 #49
REALITY weissmam Nov 2013 #51
These shoppers will do whatever their pastors are paid to tell them to do. nt valerief Nov 2013 #53
I know. But also Hobby Lobby has purchased "sacred" texts and stuffed them glinda Nov 2013 #54
According to a Supreme Court Decision, The Wizard Nov 2013 #57
Scalia has no problem being a hypocrit as we well know beachbum bob Dec 2013 #77
This is great stuff! riqster Nov 2013 #58
Thank you for this post, beachbum bob and welcome to DU, in case you haven't gotten japple Nov 2013 #60
thanks, I usually don't have alot of time.... beachbum bob Dec 2013 #74
"Obviously the sense of "entitlement" is twisted. Its good for me but not for thee" BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #79
Any company email adress we could send a message thru? nikto Nov 2013 #64
their corporate website has contact info beachbum bob Dec 2013 #76
Just sent a tweet to Hobby Lobby dlwickham Dec 2013 #69
Brilliant observation. avaistheone1 Dec 2013 #73
Maybe Chinese fetuses don't count? Quantess Dec 2013 #81
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