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Kurska

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53. Well see, you need to determine what is or isn't porn.

Sat Nov 30, 2013, 03:29 PM

Nov 2013

Because if you want to make the inclusion of rape into porn illegal, you need an ironclad way of determining what is or is not porn. Why? It is simple, without one you'd also be banning the examination of rape by fiction for all other literary works. If you want to ban something just for porn you need to identify what porn is.

And let me tell you, millions of very smart people have been trying to do that for decades and the best they can come up with is "I know it when I see it". If you're comfortable with judges deciding what does or not does not have artistic merit and who should be punished for producing the wrong kind of fiction, than you're a very different person than I.

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Me on porn. [View all] RandySF Nov 2013 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Nov 2013 #1

Would I know you if i saw you? Callmecrazy Nov 2013 #2

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lol nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #72

Is that also how you feel about kiddie porn? dawg Nov 2013 #4

Kids are harmed in kiddie porn and there are laws that prevent children from penultimate Nov 2013 #7

You gave an intelligent, well thought-out answer. I disagree with you ... dawg Nov 2013 #8

Well, you better get out your ban-hammer then. LAGC Nov 2013 #10

But do people try to get off to anime? dawg Nov 2013 #12

yeah, its s question that you probuably wont want answered. loli phabay Nov 2013 #14

If you're looking for a fair or reasoned legal precient for limiting freedom, marijuana prohibition Kurska Nov 2013 #19

I disagree with laws limiting what adults can do penultimate Nov 2013 #39

Kids can't consent and simulated anything should be illegal, no matter how disgusting it is n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #18

I'm sorry. RandySF Nov 2013 #46

I don't think hardly anyone who regularly posts on this board would want to ban porn. dawg Nov 2013 #49

What about where two obviously adult men in their 40s are having sex MNBrewer Nov 2013 #50

I think you lost your point at ... dawg Nov 2013 #52

I don't know how the law makes that distinction. It's a depiction of underage sex, is it not? MNBrewer Nov 2013 #55

If the character played by the 40 year-old had been consistently depicted as being underage ... dawg Nov 2013 #56

better question would be, would you ban all porn and whats the cutoff point between porn loli phabay Nov 2013 #5

There is no cutoff between porn and art. Porn is art. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #9

i would agree, everyone has their own taste in art kinda like music or food. loli phabay Nov 2013 #16

I'm pro-choice. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #6

How about if you are in a relationship with someone who likes it page of coins Nov 2013 #11

kinda like sports or chinese foods. its something couples work out. loli phabay Nov 2013 #15

Then it should be only an occasional thing that the porn-liking partner ... dawg Nov 2013 #21

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #36

Just as with gambling, it ruins some people's lives. dawg Nov 2013 #51

That's something you have to work out, then. RandySF Nov 2013 #47

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Agreed. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #13

Yeah. Just like guns, gambling, prostitution, drugs. No one thinks any of those ... dawg Nov 2013 #17

Don't use the word regulated, when what you mean is banned. Kurska Nov 2013 #20

I would never be in favor of a blanket ban on porn. dawg Nov 2013 #22

You're free to to not like it all day, all night and everyday ending in y. Kurska Nov 2013 #24

I wouldn't jail anyone unless there was "actual" rape, statutory or otherwise. dawg Nov 2013 #26

That is a good sentiment, but I don't know how it is workable in a constitutional sense Kurska Nov 2013 #28

I support making it illegal to "produce" or "distribute". dawg Nov 2013 #34

You're still encountering the freedom of speech problem. Kurska Nov 2013 #37

I'm not adjusting my opinion; I'm just explaining it better. dawg Nov 2013 #42

Citing precedents I disagree with probably won't win me over to your side. Kurska Nov 2013 #43

Determining what is or isn't porn ... dawg Nov 2013 #48

Well see, you need to determine what is or isn't porn. Kurska Nov 2013 #53

So you want to fill our prisons with people consenting adults who fuck in front of cameras? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #61

Read all my other posts in this thread and you'll have your answer. dawg Nov 2013 #63

How would you regulate porn? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #23

I'd be okay with banning rape porn or porn purporting to depict sex with minors. dawg Nov 2013 #25

Heavy fines? Kurska Nov 2013 #27

No fine at all for consumption. dawg Nov 2013 #30

I can say one thing Kurska Nov 2013 #35

Thankfully, that's unconstitutional LittleBlue Nov 2013 #32

We can't stop meth either. dawg Nov 2013 #38

How do you define what is or isn't porn? Kurska Nov 2013 #40

Legitimate writers depicting rape as part of a story should ... dawg Nov 2013 #44

There is a well established legal precedent forbidding differential treatment of different artistic Kurska Nov 2013 #45

Since you don't like simulated rape porn, don't watch it. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #58

And if you don't like assault rifles, don't buy one. dawg Nov 2013 #59

Assault rifles kill. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #67

Rifles, by themselves, can't kill anyone. dawg Nov 2013 #68

This isn't about assault rifles. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #69

Adults choose to buy assault rifles. dawg Nov 2013 #70

Good thing the government doesn't think the same way you or Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #74

Yeah, good thing. dawg Nov 2013 #76

Good thing those all involve consenting adults. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #78

So we can't even discuss the things that bother us? Even if we say explicitly - as dawg has on this nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #81

on this i agree, both sides should discuss it, but realistically its not going to make a difference loli phabay Nov 2013 #82

Consume willingly as adults, arguably, but xulamaude Nov 2013 #79

Generally speaking, I don't think minors should be exposed to hard-core porn nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #85

I don't see absolutism RainDog Nov 2013 #93

Well, it's good that we at least all agree ... dawg Nov 2013 #94

It was astonishing to me to read lies about this position RainDog Nov 2013 #96

It's astonishing to me that so many people are willing to write ... dawg Nov 2013 #97

LOL RainDog Nov 2013 #98

But you support the rape porn and simulated kiddie porn right? dawg Nov 2013 #99

IF YOU DON'T OPPOSE POT SMOKING YOU SUPPORT CANNIBALISM!!! Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #60

Mmmmmmmmmmmm......... dawg Nov 2013 #62

It's the other other white meat. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #73

What of the arguments that it is harmful to society generally? Deep13 Nov 2013 #29

People have been arguing that certain kinds of fiction are harmful to society for centuries. Kurska Nov 2013 #33

Well, talking of illegality is putting the cart before the horse. Deep13 Nov 2013 #95

let me paraphrase the general reaction BainsBane Nov 2013 #65

But it can be argued... egduj Nov 2013 #31

Except it can't be argued very well with any scientific evidence. Kurska Nov 2013 #41

Yeah, but you can prove anything with facts NoOneMan Nov 2013 #77

K&R #5 Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #57

Is that also your view on Fox? BainsBane Nov 2013 #64

If you don't like criticism of porn,don't read or listen to it. athenasatanjesus Nov 2013 #66

Not that simple. duffyduff Nov 2013 #71

And what if those adult, consenting women don't see using their bodies polly7 Nov 2013 #75

So, you believe that football should be banned Yavin4 Nov 2013 #80

" Former porn stars fare a lot better in old age than do former NFL players." xulamaude Nov 2013 #83

Um, have you seen the many media reports about traumatic brain injuries Yavin4 Nov 2013 #84

"The average porn star fares a lot better in old age than does the average NFL player." xulamaude Nov 2013 #86

There are several stats on the health of former NFL players Yavin4 Nov 2013 #87

Former porn stars' "health in old age is not an issue." xulamaude Nov 2013 #90

Also, why is there soooo much concern for people using their bodies in porn Yavin4 Nov 2013 #88

good points, there are lots of careers where people risk their health in all sorts of ways. loli phabay Nov 2013 #89

"little or no concern about workers in other industries whose bodies get exploited" xulamaude Nov 2013 #91

We haven't seen 12(?) threads recently about coal worker's being exploited Kurska Dec 2013 #100

No, but there have hundreds xulamaude Dec 2013 #103

Yet, count up the number about sex workers vs. other specific workers in the past few weeks. Kurska Dec 2013 #104

Exactly - link the last few weeks to years and years xulamaude Dec 2013 #105

I know you're apparently new here, but we've had weeks of "porn wars" pretty much every year on DU. Kurska Dec 2013 #106

DU can be read by anyone with an internet connection xulamaude Dec 2013 #107

Oh I'm sure you're very familiar with DU, I bet you know a lot about the people here. Kurska Dec 2013 #108

Okay, I'm wrong and you're right. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #110

Wow this must be the first time I ever won an argument on the interwebs Kurska Dec 2013 #111

I have a feeling.. Upton Nov 2013 #92

"It's a convenient vehicle for them to use however.." Kurska Dec 2013 #101

Asking you to think of something is banning? BainsBane Dec 2013 #112

Oh, thank goodness, thought you had a youtube link of Rex Dec 2013 #102

gmta Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #109