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33. Here is an independent collaborating report...

Sat Nov 30, 2013, 07:21 PM

Nov 2013

... that lists starting salaries by school - they don't give the number of graduates, so it can't be used to calculate a mean, but if you scan the list it broadly coincides with the NACE figures.

http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report-2014/full-list-of-schools

According to the NACE "executive summary" "Data contained in the NACE Salary Survey are produced through a compilation of data derived from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Census Bureau, and a master data set developed by Job Search Intelligence.... [using] employer-based data from approximately 400,000 employers; gathered from government and other sources, the data are actual starting salaries, not offers."

http://www.naceweb.org/uploadedFiles/Content/static-assets/downloads/executive-summary/2013-september-salary-survey-executive-summary.pdf?mainindex-recslide1-salsvexsum-09132013

I'm glad your son isn't burdened by debt and received a good offer substantially in line with what NACE is reporting.

I personally don't find it objectionable that young college graduates, who are almost by definition destined to be in the better off population segment and are starting out better off than their less educated peers, have to put in a little sweat equity as pay back for their leg up.

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What I don't get Maedhros Dec 2013 #64

Actually... my issue is what took him so long? vaberella Dec 2013 #65

I'm not defending Chomsky, per se. Maedhros Dec 2013 #71

If that is how you interpret my post then so be it. vaberella Dec 2013 #72

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Got to hear him speak, once Saviolo Nov 2013 #13

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I think you clarified a point on which I was vague. freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #56

Oh, no ... I was agreeing. You were clear. SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2013 #57

The average starting salery... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #22

The NACE numbers don't jibe with what I see happen with new graduates caraher Nov 2013 #24

Here is an independent collaborating report... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #33

What's the *median*, college boy? Romulox Nov 2013 #29

In a normal distribution... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #32

LOL. "Normal distribution" my eye. Romulox Nov 2013 #34

I don't think you are on point... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #36

There is not a "normal distribution" of wealth in America. Nor is "median" and "average" the same. Romulox Dec 2013 #52

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...Says the tenured MIT professor whose own school costs $42k per year, hughee99 Nov 2013 #23

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Says the tenured MIT prof? nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #31

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St Peter don't you call me because I can't go Fumesucker Dec 2013 #47

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