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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
29. Thank you, PCIntern! Outstanding allegory...
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 12:03 PM
Dec 2013

A professor from Virginia Tech wrote there are two basic ways to communicate knowledge (or "meaning&quot : "maps" and "stories."



Two Kinds of Knowledge: Maps and Stories

HENRY H. BAUER
Chemistry & Science Studies
Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
Blacksburg, VA 24061 02/2
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Abstract—The most reliable knowledge is map like: "If you do this, then that will always follow." But such knowledge carries little if any inherent human meaning. Most meaningful is story like knowledge, which teaches about morals and values; but about that, agreement cannot be forced by demonstration. Failure to distinguish between the meaningfulness and the re¬liability of knowledge helps to make arguments intractable. It would be very useful always to ask about a bit of claimed knowledge, "Is this more like a story or more like a map ?"

PDF to full article:

http://www.henryhbauer.homestead.com/2kndsweb.pdf



So, to make something memorable requires a good story. Think, "Hansel and Gretel." Parents can't feed kids and are forced to abandom them in the forest. Kids, being human, don't want that and leave bread crumbs to get back. Birds eat bread trail. Kids get lost and find witch's cottage...etc." The details may not be the same on each telling, but the basic elements are the same.

Complicated things require maps: Owners manual for a car, a map showing the location of towns, roads, bridges, etc. Almost no one can memorize all the details required, hence they must be written down and referenced. The thing is, until the advent of smartphones, no one could carry around a reference library with them.

OTOH: Hear a good story ONCE -- as a kid or as an adult -- and we don't forget. That's why Karl Rove and his ilk were so quick to attack Joseph Wilson through Valerie Plame: No way could the truth get into the public mind before their twisted version of reality -- Saddam Hussein and Iraq were behind 9-11 and planned to use WMDs.

In the case of the assassination of President Kennedy, the story that the "specialists" wanted heard first and loudest was that Oswald did it alone. Seeing what's happened to the country in the intervening 50 years, the fact the "Money trumps peace" crowd get ahead, shows the effectiveness of their story and the magic bullet theory on which it's based.

The assassinations of President Kennedy, Dr. King, and Sen. Kennedy hold so much information, they each require library shelves to hold all the information known and written about them. No mind I know can hold, let alone cross-reference, all the information known about each of them. It's why discussion and sharing of ideas is so important: The free sharing of information, ideas and perspectives why democracy works.

Putting the complex into a story form requires an artist or an expert in information science. Edward Tufte comes to mind.



Another guy who grokked it was Mark Lombardi. We talked about him on DU, way back when.

In the cases of the assassinations of America's liberal, progressive and DEMOCRATIC leadership, the story line we are told by the corporate press is "lone nut." Those who study the maps, with all their faults, soon see there is a lot more to the stories.

Thanks for sharing your charts and story with us, PCIntern. Those who care about justice and democracy will remember.
I read this entire OP. Honestly, I did. Where's the aspirin???..LOL.. monmouth3 Dec 2013 #1
no shit arely staircase Dec 2013 #77
You're exactly right about the flinging and slinging of preposterous theories. Zen Democrat Dec 2013 #2
K&R #5. Very good, thank you. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #3
Beats the crap out of me... PCIntern Dec 2013 #4
LOL & Thanks. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #8
Many dentistis wont even do amalgam anymore davidn3600 Dec 2013 #11
Did you read the article PCIntern wrote? Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #15
All gold in my mouth. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #5
Rambling and nonsensical. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #6
Yes...absolutely... PCIntern Dec 2013 #7
It's like some people have an irony gland secreting neurochemicals that compel them. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #9
What point is that? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #10
You're doing it again! PCIntern Dec 2013 #12
I'm not entirely certain what you're talking about. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #14
Don't bother to give me that innocence stuff... PCIntern Dec 2013 #16
I don't see very much reason there. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #20
You don't see it so it doesn't exist. PCIntern Dec 2013 #34
I don't see it because it's not there. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #35
thanks for the laugh! wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #48
you have been very personal and vindictive towards heaven05 Dec 2013 #42
Not realy, no Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #43
self absorbed is more like it, also heaven05 Dec 2013 #46
And I thought there was no conspiracy until I began to read about it myself a few years ago. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #17
I find that difficult to believe. DanTex Dec 2013 #23
there is plenty heaven05 Dec 2013 #44
Yet another CTer speaking in abstract terms about "counter evidence" that's out there somewhere... DanTex Dec 2013 #51
when you finally wake up heaven05 Dec 2013 #54
Ad hominem attack, check. Evidence, still missing... DanTex Dec 2013 #55
aww heaven05 Dec 2013 #56
I don't care what you 'find hard to believe'. Show me comments from me on this issue sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #62
I think that if you had actually read about it, you would have some actual evidence. DanTex Dec 2013 #64
I never said there was evidence of a second gunman. I have repeatedly stated that who actually sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #71
Last post, you said "the most flawed 'finding' of the WC was that Oswald was a 'lone gunman'." DanTex Dec 2013 #72
Oh my. PC Intern's OP was anything but "rambling & nonsensical". pacalo Dec 2013 #88
Right ON! Celebration Dec 2013 #13
Actually, yes, there is such a thing as science. DanTex Dec 2013 #22
no, still doesn't work for me Celebration Dec 2013 #25
His own words and actions from age 15 or so onward? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #31
'nuf said Celebration Dec 2013 #53
According to LHO, he was a marxist. DanTex Dec 2013 #49
any fingerprints on the gun? Celebration Dec 2013 #57
First of all, there was a palm print, and second of all, lack of fingerprints is DanTex Dec 2013 #58
you need to actually read the link from my post re: the palm print Celebration Dec 2013 #67
I did. Especially this part. DanTex Dec 2013 #69
Reasons to believe that Oswald was not CIA. DanTex Dec 2013 #61
Oh look.... Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #26
I keep hearing about the supposed "facts" that "we have." DanTex Dec 2013 #41
So the mercury in Oswald's fillings made him a patsy. Got it. Orrex Dec 2013 #18
Very interesting article. MH1 Dec 2013 #19
Yes, well done, sometimes noise is the goal. bemildred Dec 2013 #21
What gives you the right to call faked moon-landings "wacky"? DanTex Dec 2013 #24
There you go again. Nt PCIntern Dec 2013 #27
Dodging questions, providing no evidence... DanTex Dec 2013 #74
You have missed the entire point of the OP PCIntern Dec 2013 #75
Whatever you do, just make sure you don't provide any evidence... DanTex Dec 2013 #76
Again you're entirely missing the point PCIntern Dec 2013 #78
You're doing great! Zero evidence! You're really getting the hang of denialism! DanTex Dec 2013 #79
Nice try. Next time try this with PCIntern Dec 2013 #80
Hold it steady! Avoid the temptation to use your brain! DanTex Dec 2013 #81
Zzzzzzzzzzzz. HuckleB Dec 2013 #28
You're right PCIntern Dec 2013 #30
It is to laugh. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #33
Laugh my ass PCIntern Dec 2013 #36
I agree, wholeheartedly!!!!! heaven05 Dec 2013 #38
Point to it. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #40
geez heaven05 Dec 2013 #52
Wake up, lies, the only thing missing Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2013 #68
I don't like Alec Jones, he's an idiot heaven05 Dec 2013 #83
Your disdain for facts is noted... Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2013 #85
thank you heaven05 Dec 2013 #89
still is! heaven05 Dec 2013 #39
Thank you, PCIntern! Outstanding allegory... Octafish Dec 2013 #29
Wow. Thanks!! Nt PCIntern Dec 2013 #32
That is why Dems can't easily persuade the people: the Repubs are clever tblue37 Dec 2013 #47
Absolutely, tblue37. They paid to develop the art... Octafish Dec 2013 #66
Maria Galardin's TUC Radio (Time of Useful Consciousness) is a great resource. bananas Dec 2013 #91
Oxygen-Starved Brains Can Only Function So Long. Octafish Dec 2013 #92
thank you heaven05 Dec 2013 #37
excellent! thank you. n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #45
Another dental story with a broader moral about institutional failure, here. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #50
Epic flawed analogy. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #59
Very funny. Humorous post of the month! Nt PCIntern Dec 2013 #60
Actually, I find Orrex's reply in this thread to be much funnier than my reply. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #63
MK Ultra was run by a bunch of dentists? Paulie Dec 2013 #65
Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation? Fluoridation of water? Orrex Dec 2013 #70
Agree 'in theory' that the American people are being bombarded with bullshit; but you omitted this: freshwest Dec 2013 #73
I had all my metal fillings removed and replaced with composite ca. 2000. I shouldn't have read WinkyDink Dec 2013 #82
So far so good right? PCIntern Dec 2013 #84
The mercury put in US fillings Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #86
I hear you. nt PCIntern Dec 2013 #87
I was looking for something lordsummerisle Dec 2013 #90
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