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mackattack

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79. the right was gonna scream "socialism" anyway

Sun Mar 11, 2012, 12:29 PM

Mar 2012

If you have to have to endure the tantrum, you might as well get something you want.

So why not at least try to push the public option?

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Hoyer Finally Admits the Obvious: Health Care Bill Killed the Dems in 2010 - FDL [View all] WillyT Mar 2012 OP

In other news.. water is still wet... JSnuffy Mar 2012 #1

I still don't forgive the Dem Pols for that legislative cop-out and betrayal to the insur. industry. leveymg Mar 2012 #2

GODDAMNIT!! The healthcare bill itself wasn't the problem.. It was the relentless, annabanana Mar 2012 #3

It seems to me that a lot of dem's enjoy being the victim. russspeakeasy Mar 2012 #4

The lack of a public option, lack of universal health coverage, is a problem. yardwork Mar 2012 #5

That's bull, the right wing argument against the health bill sufrommich Mar 2012 #23

Not Really... Because When They Bailed On The Public Option, Many On The Left... WillyT Mar 2012 #27

Why did that "withdrawal" seem to mostly affect Blue Dog districts? LoZoccolo Mar 2012 #56

The legislation wasn't socialist enough. yardwork Mar 2012 #36

Exactly. I saw exactly that in Wisconsin. Jackpine Radical Mar 2012 #38

Yes! I worked the phones in WI too Greybnk48 Mar 2012 #82

that's how i feel CreekDog Mar 2012 #41

the right was gonna scream "socialism" anyway mackattack Mar 2012 #79

^ True. ^ Mimosa Mar 2012 #98

They wouldn't have to push the "Spin" if they had done the will of the PEOPLE in the first place. Vincardog Mar 2012 #7

+1 rudycantfail Mar 2012 #47

In the future what is going to be blamed for the downfall of America? Initech Mar 2012 #8

no, it was the lack of a single payer option that poisoned the iemitsu Mar 2012 #9

Fox has the money to spend terrencers515 Mar 2012 #15

yes, it was the right wing lies about the bill that hurt Dems ThomThom Mar 2012 #73

The temper tantrum didn't only come from Fox... SidDithers Mar 2012 #77

You are largely right, but here is some more to add to why the GOP has a good election in 2010. RBInMaine Mar 2012 #99

This is ProSense Mar 2012 #6

Leave it to Fire Dog Lake to cite a study that actually says the opposite of what they want. LoZoccolo Mar 2012 #25

Good question. Robb Mar 2012 #40

As I used to say: LoZoccolo Mar 2012 #44

Bingo!! abolugi Mar 2012 #39

It's not the health bill entirely. Turbineguy Mar 2012 #10

It should have been a medicare for all libtodeath Mar 2012 #11

That could not have PASSED. What we got was a good STEP forward though. RBInMaine Mar 2012 #100

You have to stand strong or stand down with this challenge to the status quo. Faygo Kid Mar 2012 #12

The Dems didn't try explaining or defending jbnow Mar 2012 #67

And yet, some Dems are reading this the opposite Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #13

Horseshit. Dems failure to embrace it and shove it in the face of Repubs Schema Thing Mar 2012 #14

Exactly right. n/t cynatnite Mar 2012 #45

+1...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #78

A public option may have not have been enough to change that. Much of the fear was about what jwirr Mar 2012 #16

I'm ProSense Mar 2012 #19

Yes, that is a good point. jwirr Mar 2012 #20

I agree or they would have run on adding a public option Johonny Mar 2012 #26

It was two steps forward and one back as progress often is. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #17

What killed the Democrats in 2010 was their lack of a spine liberal N proud Mar 2012 #18

Bingo. n/t FourScore Mar 2012 #83

Oh that is some world-class spin. LoZoccolo Mar 2012 #21

Although the GOP ginned up opposition to the ACA by calling it a government takeover of healthcare, bornskeptic Mar 2012 #43

Well gee, I wonder where some of that money could be made up.......... socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #51

Which means we will never see another sufrommich Mar 2012 #22

Because the public option was the most popular part of the HC socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #28

That doesn't really explain people voting for the republican sufrommich Mar 2012 #29

Well, it was an off year election with a fired up base.......... socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #31

Great Analysis !!! WillyT Mar 2012 #32

Actually, if you look at the analysis of who voted in sufrommich Mar 2012 #33

No, the MSM fired up the base by inventing the faux Tea Party. joshcryer Mar 2012 #57

Republicans and Democrats were used against each other woo me with science Mar 2012 #81

I believe a public option was polling pretty high at the time. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #61

77% rudycantfail Mar 2012 #71

K & R Better Believe It Mar 2012 #24

We did not have the votes for a public option davidthegnome Mar 2012 #30

I think a public option without a dedicated revenue source was a horrible idea Recursion Mar 2012 #74

It's amazing how many DUers refuse to understand this simple concept. Alexander Mar 2012 #34

It is amazing. rudycantfail Mar 2012 #72

Backbone failure is what killed the dems. Especially failure on a public option on point Mar 2012 #35

The whole plan, to me, seemed....... nolabels Mar 2012 #91

We had cowards in place at a time when courage was required...... RagAss Mar 2012 #37

Um, economy, war, continued repression of our civil liberties? Downtown Hound Mar 2012 #42

The party would have been rudycantfail Mar 2012 #46

"Democratic incumbents who supported health care reform were seen as more liberal on average ... muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #48

UP IS DOWN. BLACK IS WHITE. WAR IS PEACE. joshcryer Mar 2012 #55

Yep! Damn' those death panels! bornskeptic Mar 2012 #49

The Republicans were able to carry on their propaganda campaign BECAUSE Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #50

Think it is bad now? Wait till 2014, bvar22 Mar 2012 #52

I wouldn't count on it. BzaDem Mar 2012 #63

Medicaid will only be extended to people making 133% of the poverty level dflprincess Mar 2012 #89

No, right wing fear and intimidation was what killed the dems in 2010. joshcryer Mar 2012 #53

Not enough Dems spoke up for it. It was the spin by the RW that hurt Dems in 2010 and no anti- nanabugg Mar 2012 #54

Baby steps. Swede Mar 2012 #58

But it was because the bill was considered too liberal. gulliver Mar 2012 #59

The blue dogs lost to candidates who promised to repeal the mandate.. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #60

The candidates who wanted to repeal the mandate also wanted to repeal guaranteed issue and community BzaDem Mar 2012 #62

I bet there are at least a few people wondering why so many don't bother with this site anymore. Umbral Mar 2012 #64

Please... Elaborate... WillyT Mar 2012 #65

You, and maybe half a dozen others here are among the most beloved personages on this site. Umbral Mar 2012 #69

You are exactly right. woo me with science Mar 2012 #76

+1 Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #84

I guess it means to defend people with D's after their name Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #86

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Mar 2012 #88

the reason PO and 2010 was a disaster was because THE LEFT HAD NO CLUE WHAT TEAM RUSHBO WAS certainot Mar 2012 #66

It wasn't "the Left" that didn't have a clue; it was the Establishment Dems Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #87

but until now there has been no organized opposition to RW radio and i've been told for years certainot Mar 2012 #90

AM radio's core audience is no more than a single-digit percentage of the population Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #93

actually for a lot of the last 15 yrs 15% to over 20% have said they get their news from talk radio certainot Mar 2012 #94

Yup, and the Dems let it happen Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #95

the dems, left screwed up big time certainot Mar 2012 #97

Incorrect. It was abandoning Howard Dean's 50 State Strategy. NuttyFluffers Mar 2012 #68

Why is no one mentioning the lies about "cutting Medicare" that were the critical factor eridani Mar 2012 #70

K&R Wake up, America, and smell the collusion. woo me with science Mar 2012 #75

It was the Republicans successfully spewing lies about it that hurt the Dems in 2010, and... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #80

Kick woo me with science Mar 2012 #85

I've always thought the answer for the mid term losses Elric Mar 2012 #92

Exactly ... lack of HC didn't have them on unemployment and underwater. nt BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #96