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22. We need them not to let their lives revolve around men.

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Mon Dec 2, 2013, 12:26 AM

Dec 2013

Women are their own people regardless of what men think about them.

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We need to teach our daughters to know the difference between: [View all] sheshe2 Dec 2013 OP

Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #1

Greatest Page for your post, my dear sheshe2! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2013 #2

Thanks Peggy~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #10

Which comes from a right wing evangelical christian site: Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #78

In fact....I found it here, Peggy. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #108

Oh no!! tHe CONSPIRACY!!!12 Number23 Dec 2013 #115

Hey 23~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #123

K & R giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #3

Good for you for being proactive. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #8

some would say that's teaching sexism RainDog Dec 2013 #16

Life is full of ironies, RainDog. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #21

me too RainDog Dec 2013 #36

How is teaching girls to judge consider their self worth by male standards Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #68

As much fucking bullshit as I have seen giving the damn pope giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #85

I don't care-- I WISH I was taught the difference between BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #103

I found it here Blanche, sigh... sheshe2 Dec 2013 #126

LuminousAnimal needs to understand that even the biggest rw BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #130

Blanche... sheshe2 Dec 2013 #131

:) BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #132

The Unknown author was brilliant, she~ So many of life's Cha Dec 2013 #4

Teach your children well... sheshe2 Dec 2013 #6

Yes, so many of life's Cha Dec 2013 #7

Unknown author only learned how to see herself from a man's eye. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #35

So you agree with an evangelical christian? Because here is the source Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #66

A most refreshing OP, Thank you. n/t UtahLib Dec 2013 #5

That lesson would hold true for all people and relationships. nt rrneck Dec 2013 #9

+1 grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #111

There doesn't need to be a difference in #4 oberliner Dec 2013 #11

Practice and virtue are relatively the same Aerows Dec 2013 #17

pretty sure you know exactly what #4 means. not every person who lusts, loves. niyad Dec 2013 #20

I know what it means - but I dispute it's premise oberliner Dec 2013 #89

+1 Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #12

wish I'd been taught that. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #13

Aaaaaaahhhh~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #15

tankz, she! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #98

k and r--and thank you for posting this. niyad Dec 2013 #14

niyad, I thank you~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #46

Perhaps you should visit the site where this right wing propaganda comes from.. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #81

Brilliant! Major Nikon Dec 2013 #93

As much as I appreciate the sentiment behind this: LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #18

My thoughts exactly. Deep13 Dec 2013 #23

I could not agree with you more. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #24

and teach Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #28

I agree. The entire post is from a man's point of view and it is crap. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #34

I agree with you. AuntFester Dec 2013 #37

It's funny. I don't see much difference between what you've written and the OP Number23 Dec 2013 #56

It seems less a message about embracing themselves and more like a message LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #61

The bit that notes we should teach our sons to be those men of worth stands out to me Number23 Dec 2013 #65

I suppose it's because I feel that a girl with good self-esteem LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #69

I agree. But the thing is that we all know there are lots of girls/women that don't have good Number23 Dec 2013 #75

I hear you on that, for sure LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #77

I am with you 1000% because a man cannot give a woman what we need to give ourselves Number23 Dec 2013 #79

Never took you for a sucker for evangelical christianity... the source for the OP Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #63

So happy you get to feel superior again. Number23 Dec 2013 #67

Superior because I recognize sexism? Superior because I can see that Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #71

Lord have mercy Number23 Dec 2013 #73

Author Darlene Schacht encourages women to joyfully serve their families from a place of sacrificial Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #76

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2013 #96

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #19

We need them not to let their lives revolve around men. Deep13 Dec 2013 #22

I don't think it was intended as an end all be all giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #86

The sons part is harder, since there are so many competing sexist messages around them as they grow. ancianita Dec 2013 #25

I always thought that was a sexist view RainDog Dec 2013 #32

Yes, I certainly see that; doesn't mean that it's not more true than not. Maybe you're talking about ancianita Dec 2013 #38

well, it's the central cultural message of a traditional pov RainDog Dec 2013 #40

Got it. I heard it from a bright Gen X-er guy a while back, and thought it had usefulness. At least, ancianita Dec 2013 #43

yeah, it's been around for a while RainDog Dec 2013 #47

Yep. Heard the cow one long after I'd had many, many lovers...I thought it was having babies that ancianita Dec 2013 #49

A theory of this is about the origin of property RainDog Dec 2013 #51

Thank you. Going to enjoy going over this! ancianita Dec 2013 #52

It's interesting RainDog Dec 2013 #53

I see no origin of women's oppression here. Women just got shafted in original docs of both ancianita Dec 2013 #54

The origin is with the division of labor RainDog Dec 2013 #55

Okay, but efficiency isn't supposed to devalue either work, is it. It's easy for subsistence levels ancianita Dec 2013 #59

Efficiency often devalues work RainDog Dec 2013 #91

So, I conclude that, no matter what the system is, when men corner control of food or currency, they ancianita Dec 2013 #101

Your conclusions have nothing to do with the article I linked to RainDog Dec 2013 #104

I drew my conclusion based solely on your posts. ancianita Dec 2013 #107

really? RainDog Dec 2013 #109

nevermind n/t RainDog Dec 2013 #90

Can you clairfy what you mean, please? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #99

LOL RainDog Dec 2013 #106

We need to teach our daughters to be strong women who don't need the acceptance of others ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #26

Spot on, sheshe2 Dec 2013 #27

Kick & recommended. William769 Dec 2013 #29

Cracking me up. You've recced an OP that celebrates advice from a right wing Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #80

I believe that the message is this: blue neen Dec 2013 #30

Bullshit. We need to raise our daughters not to think how a man perceives her. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #31

Yup, if they're not dependant on men for their sense of self worth... Deep13 Dec 2013 #44

So, are you saying a father has no rights on how he perceives his young daughter? sheshe2 Dec 2013 #127

I understand and respect the sentiment... defacto7 Dec 2013 #33

A big DUrec and kick for you, my friend. longship Dec 2013 #39

longship. Born in the 50's here. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #41

Agreed Joel thakkar Dec 2013 #42

Should we teach our sons to learn the difference between a woman who lusts after him, Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #45

i think you mean well, but this kind of reminds me of the purity balls of the right wing JI7 Dec 2013 #48

It should remind you of fundamentalists, because it's fundamentalist. Here's where it came from: LeftyMom Dec 2013 #58

I believe that it is how a father views his young daughter. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #129

If I had a daughter I'd be teaching her not to define herself by what any man thinks of her. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #50

That image comes from a fundamentalist submissive wife blog. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #57

99 recs on a Democratic site for fundamentalist advice. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #72

A rather ugly picture is beginning to emerge indeed. nt Bonobo Dec 2013 #84

A tall and life giving order. N/t Mira Dec 2013 #60

Advice from here: http://timewarpwife.com Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #62

Aw snap. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #70

just as a matter of curiosity, is there some reason you link to that site every time you respond niyad Dec 2013 #125

All of our kids should know the difference between gender equality and complementarianism, LeftyMom Dec 2013 #64

Because only men and women fall in love? DemocraticWing Dec 2013 #74

Well, the OP did source a right wing site so your detector is spot on. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #82

Actually I "sourced " it here... sheshe2 Dec 2013 #102

Sometimes in a world of myopia...... nolabels Dec 2013 #83

Great advice TxDemChem Dec 2013 #87

boy or girl, can't we just teach our children to not be shallow, vapid, superficial assholes Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #88

^^^THIS^^^ cleanhippie Dec 2013 #100

The difference is BainsBane Dec 2013 #133

I think I'll teach my daughter not be worried about being anyone's "gift." nt Codeine Dec 2013 #92

k&r.... spanone Dec 2013 #94

"girls are not machines that you put kindness coins into until sex falls out" AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #95

Yeah definitely a jilted list. CFLDem Dec 2013 #112

"Gift" is German for "poison" KansDem Dec 2013 #97

Or just take her to see the movie Frozen. Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #105

Gah what a recycled piece of crap that was. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #113

What? There were twists and it followed the Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale �The Snow Queen" Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #114

Apparently it does pass the Bechdel test. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #116

Mostly agree, but men are gifts, too. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #110

love the addition, waiting for the usual suspects to weigh in. . . niyad Dec 2013 #117

niyad, I thank you~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #121

The best way to teach these values...... llmart Dec 2013 #118

What girls aren't intelligent enough to figure that upaloopa Dec 2013 #119

Thanks for doubling down on the heteronormative, gender essentialist images. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #120

The utter capitulation is striking. Bonobo Dec 2013 #128

Kick and recommended. Major Hogwash Dec 2013 #122