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75. I agree. But the thing is that we all know there are lots of girls/women that don't have good

Mon Dec 2, 2013, 04:47 AM

Dec 2013

self-esteem. If I had a dollar for every smart, intelligent, soul full woman I know wasting her time on a piece of nothing for a man, I'd never need to work again. And some of these women are much, much older than I am.

I think these types of messages are for those women. It's never too late to learn that loving yourself will always be better than accepting less just to have somebody hanging off of your arm.

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We need to teach our daughters to know the difference between: [View all] sheshe2 Dec 2013 OP

Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #1

Greatest Page for your post, my dear sheshe2! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2013 #2

Thanks Peggy~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #10

Which comes from a right wing evangelical christian site: Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #78

In fact....I found it here, Peggy. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #108

Oh no!! tHe CONSPIRACY!!!12 Number23 Dec 2013 #115

Hey 23~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #123

K & R giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #3

Good for you for being proactive. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #8

some would say that's teaching sexism RainDog Dec 2013 #16

Life is full of ironies, RainDog. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #21

me too RainDog Dec 2013 #36

How is teaching girls to judge consider their self worth by male standards Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #68

As much fucking bullshit as I have seen giving the damn pope giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #85

I don't care-- I WISH I was taught the difference between BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #103

I found it here Blanche, sigh... sheshe2 Dec 2013 #126

LuminousAnimal needs to understand that even the biggest rw BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #130

Blanche... sheshe2 Dec 2013 #131

:) BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #132

The Unknown author was brilliant, she~ So many of life's Cha Dec 2013 #4

Teach your children well... sheshe2 Dec 2013 #6

Yes, so many of life's Cha Dec 2013 #7

Unknown author only learned how to see herself from a man's eye. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #35

So you agree with an evangelical christian? Because here is the source Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #66

A most refreshing OP, Thank you. n/t UtahLib Dec 2013 #5

That lesson would hold true for all people and relationships. nt rrneck Dec 2013 #9

+1 grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #111

There doesn't need to be a difference in #4 oberliner Dec 2013 #11

Practice and virtue are relatively the same Aerows Dec 2013 #17

pretty sure you know exactly what #4 means. not every person who lusts, loves. niyad Dec 2013 #20

I know what it means - but I dispute it's premise oberliner Dec 2013 #89

+1 Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #12

wish I'd been taught that. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #13

Aaaaaaahhhh~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #15

tankz, she! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #98

k and r--and thank you for posting this. niyad Dec 2013 #14

niyad, I thank you~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #46

Perhaps you should visit the site where this right wing propaganda comes from.. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #81

Brilliant! Major Nikon Dec 2013 #93

As much as I appreciate the sentiment behind this: LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #18

My thoughts exactly. Deep13 Dec 2013 #23

I could not agree with you more. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #24

and teach Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #28

I agree. The entire post is from a man's point of view and it is crap. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #34

I agree with you. AuntFester Dec 2013 #37

It's funny. I don't see much difference between what you've written and the OP Number23 Dec 2013 #56

It seems less a message about embracing themselves and more like a message LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #61

The bit that notes we should teach our sons to be those men of worth stands out to me Number23 Dec 2013 #65

I suppose it's because I feel that a girl with good self-esteem LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #69

I agree. But the thing is that we all know there are lots of girls/women that don't have good Number23 Dec 2013 #75

I hear you on that, for sure LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #77

I am with you 1000% because a man cannot give a woman what we need to give ourselves Number23 Dec 2013 #79

Never took you for a sucker for evangelical christianity... the source for the OP Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #63

So happy you get to feel superior again. Number23 Dec 2013 #67

Superior because I recognize sexism? Superior because I can see that Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #71

Lord have mercy Number23 Dec 2013 #73

Author Darlene Schacht encourages women to joyfully serve their families from a place of sacrificial Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #76

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2013 #96

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #19

We need them not to let their lives revolve around men. Deep13 Dec 2013 #22

I don't think it was intended as an end all be all giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #86

The sons part is harder, since there are so many competing sexist messages around them as they grow. ancianita Dec 2013 #25

I always thought that was a sexist view RainDog Dec 2013 #32

Yes, I certainly see that; doesn't mean that it's not more true than not. Maybe you're talking about ancianita Dec 2013 #38

well, it's the central cultural message of a traditional pov RainDog Dec 2013 #40

Got it. I heard it from a bright Gen X-er guy a while back, and thought it had usefulness. At least, ancianita Dec 2013 #43

yeah, it's been around for a while RainDog Dec 2013 #47

Yep. Heard the cow one long after I'd had many, many lovers...I thought it was having babies that ancianita Dec 2013 #49

A theory of this is about the origin of property RainDog Dec 2013 #51

Thank you. Going to enjoy going over this! ancianita Dec 2013 #52

It's interesting RainDog Dec 2013 #53

I see no origin of women's oppression here. Women just got shafted in original docs of both ancianita Dec 2013 #54

The origin is with the division of labor RainDog Dec 2013 #55

Okay, but efficiency isn't supposed to devalue either work, is it. It's easy for subsistence levels ancianita Dec 2013 #59

Efficiency often devalues work RainDog Dec 2013 #91

So, I conclude that, no matter what the system is, when men corner control of food or currency, they ancianita Dec 2013 #101

Your conclusions have nothing to do with the article I linked to RainDog Dec 2013 #104

I drew my conclusion based solely on your posts. ancianita Dec 2013 #107

really? RainDog Dec 2013 #109

nevermind n/t RainDog Dec 2013 #90

Can you clairfy what you mean, please? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #99

LOL RainDog Dec 2013 #106

We need to teach our daughters to be strong women who don't need the acceptance of others ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #26

Spot on, sheshe2 Dec 2013 #27

Kick & recommended. William769 Dec 2013 #29

Cracking me up. You've recced an OP that celebrates advice from a right wing Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #80

I believe that the message is this: blue neen Dec 2013 #30

Bullshit. We need to raise our daughters not to think how a man perceives her. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #31

Yup, if they're not dependant on men for their sense of self worth... Deep13 Dec 2013 #44

So, are you saying a father has no rights on how he perceives his young daughter? sheshe2 Dec 2013 #127

I understand and respect the sentiment... defacto7 Dec 2013 #33

A big DUrec and kick for you, my friend. longship Dec 2013 #39

longship. Born in the 50's here. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #41

Agreed Joel thakkar Dec 2013 #42

Should we teach our sons to learn the difference between a woman who lusts after him, Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #45

i think you mean well, but this kind of reminds me of the purity balls of the right wing JI7 Dec 2013 #48

It should remind you of fundamentalists, because it's fundamentalist. Here's where it came from: LeftyMom Dec 2013 #58

I believe that it is how a father views his young daughter. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #129

If I had a daughter I'd be teaching her not to define herself by what any man thinks of her. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #50

That image comes from a fundamentalist submissive wife blog. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #57

99 recs on a Democratic site for fundamentalist advice. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #72

A rather ugly picture is beginning to emerge indeed. nt Bonobo Dec 2013 #84

A tall and life giving order. N/t Mira Dec 2013 #60

Advice from here: http://timewarpwife.com Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #62

Aw snap. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #70

just as a matter of curiosity, is there some reason you link to that site every time you respond niyad Dec 2013 #125

All of our kids should know the difference between gender equality and complementarianism, LeftyMom Dec 2013 #64

Because only men and women fall in love? DemocraticWing Dec 2013 #74

Well, the OP did source a right wing site so your detector is spot on. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #82

Actually I "sourced " it here... sheshe2 Dec 2013 #102

Sometimes in a world of myopia...... nolabels Dec 2013 #83

Great advice TxDemChem Dec 2013 #87

boy or girl, can't we just teach our children to not be shallow, vapid, superficial assholes Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #88

^^^THIS^^^ cleanhippie Dec 2013 #100

The difference is BainsBane Dec 2013 #133

I think I'll teach my daughter not be worried about being anyone's "gift." nt Codeine Dec 2013 #92

k&r.... spanone Dec 2013 #94

"girls are not machines that you put kindness coins into until sex falls out" AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #95

Yeah definitely a jilted list. CFLDem Dec 2013 #112

"Gift" is German for "poison" KansDem Dec 2013 #97

Or just take her to see the movie Frozen. Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #105

Gah what a recycled piece of crap that was. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #113

What? There were twists and it followed the Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale �The Snow Queen" Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #114

Apparently it does pass the Bechdel test. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #116

Mostly agree, but men are gifts, too. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #110

love the addition, waiting for the usual suspects to weigh in. . . niyad Dec 2013 #117

niyad, I thank you~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #121

The best way to teach these values...... llmart Dec 2013 #118

What girls aren't intelligent enough to figure that upaloopa Dec 2013 #119

Thanks for doubling down on the heteronormative, gender essentialist images. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #120

The utter capitulation is striking. Bonobo Dec 2013 #128

Kick and recommended. Major Hogwash Dec 2013 #122