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MADem

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8. Those are two of the FBI, et. al., LULZSEC hackers?

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2012, 01:30 PM

Mar 2012

Look, the US will ask for extradition, and Ireland will either grant it or refuse it. Ireland does have a say here. They can say NO if they'd like. I don't think they will, but that's because their government has the same POV with regard to the matter. It's not like hacking is legal in Ireland, and that's where this article goes pear-shaped.

It's like firing a gun in Maine and shooting someone standing over the border in Canada. What, we ignore it? Pretend it doesn't matter? The Canadians don't have the right to demand that the shooter appear in their courts for the murder of one of their citizens? They are not permitted to seek justice because the shooter was just over the line and not physically present in their nation?

I don't see the drama here. If the hackers did nothing wrong, let them make their case. Thing is, they did do something wrong, and they know it. If they're any good, maybe they'll be able to cut a deal, like that Sabu guy (who probably helped to finger these guys) did.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 OP

But American corporations malaise Mar 2012 #1

This is the problem with the illusion that the U.S. is the superpower that can do no wrong. Justice wanted Mar 2012 #2

The US will eventually have significant competition as a superpower. I wonder how the US will RKP5637 Mar 2012 #10

exactly. Some countries want to hold Bush Administration personal responible for War Crimes Justice wanted Mar 2012 #12

If the server was here then they broke the law here TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #3

Would you agree with it if you Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 #9

And will eventually just send small drones after people in other countries striking them down as RKP5637 Mar 2012 #13

If I was hacking it wouldn't be my call to "agree" with going to face trial for MY ACTIONS TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #14

Except for the fact that they are lads, not girls, I agree with your commentary. MADem Mar 2012 #38

Good catch. Not sure why I thought it was 2 girls. Thanks for the correction. nt TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #40

It's those Gaelic names--they read like phlegm, some of them, sound much nicer spoken. MADem Mar 2012 #45

How do our own laws apply to nationals in their own countries. RC Mar 2012 #43

The courts will be challenged with these kinds of questions treestar Mar 2012 #4

So...if I hack your computer from a country where hacking is legal jeff47 Mar 2012 #5

LOL TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #7

And Now Summary Executions are the rage. bahrbearian Mar 2012 #6

Those are two of the FBI, et. al., LULZSEC hackers? MADem Mar 2012 #8

My problem with this is we Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 #15

The Delta Force isn't going to swoop in via Galway Bay and spirit these lads away. MADem Mar 2012 #20

How so? alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #28

Nothing about extrordinary rendition in this article. JohnnyRingo Mar 2012 #31

If the hackers did nothing wrong, let them make their case???? Presumption of innocence burden of Vincardog Mar 2012 #26

What are you talking about? TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #30

I was talking about the authoritarian attitude displayed by the post. Did you read mine? Vincardog Mar 2012 #36

Yeah, what authoritarian attitude are you referring to? TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #39

Oh, please--the government has them dead to rights. They know where the hacks are coming from. MADem Mar 2012 #33

Going to Italy to find hackers. Why not go to NYC and tsuki Mar 2012 #11

Turn about is fair play. If murder was illegal in Canada or Mexico or any civilized country, Vincardog Mar 2012 #16

Why? Did those guys commit murder in those jurisdictions? TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #18

So what do you think the consequences of their actions should be? Throd Mar 2012 #17

Imagine if Iran demanded extradition for American citizens criticizing the Ayatollah here in the US Hugabear Mar 2012 #19

What does "criticizing" have to do with this case? MADem Mar 2012 #24

Ireland has an extradition treaty with us TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #25

Iran can apply for extradition, but it doesn't have to be accepted. JohnnyRingo Mar 2012 #29

They hacked a server that was in the United States. How is the indictment unreasonable? NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #21

I don't necessarily agree with this policy because I need more info, but.... JohnnyRingo Mar 2012 #22

It's necessary to call them criminals in order to justify the future drone attacks... saras Mar 2012 #23

What? TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #27

Look out below in Dingle! Mind yer ass in Donegal! Heads up in Dublin! MADem Mar 2012 #34

The legal extradition procedure appears to have been followed here. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #32

How do you feel about mailing anthrax from Ireland? cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #35

In a saner world, we would leave it to the Irish authorities to Cleita Mar 2012 #37

They ARE dealing with it--and they have no problem with our help on this score, either. MADem Mar 2012 #42

Or, operating drones from the U.S. to Afghanistan to kill a bunch of people. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #44

In the case of Afghanistan, we're on the side of the AFGHAN government. MADem Mar 2012 #47

They committed a crime in the US. alphafemale Mar 2012 #41

I don't understand what your outrage is about. grantcart Mar 2012 #46