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Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
13. Yes, we do
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
Mar 2012

At least basically, we do. It's just that the content is so bad that no one wants to talk about it during an election cycle.

Kaiser Health Care calculator:
http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx

This will allow you to enter an income and a family/single status. Say you are not eligible for employer insurance to find out what happens to you if you are forced on the exchange. Some examples:

35 year old, single, income 25K

Required bronze premium 1,726 annually, with the subsidy coming in the form of a tax credit of $2,236. How that credit works remains to be seen - here's hoping the IRS allows your withholding to change to account for it, because otherwise you'll have to cough up the entire estimated premium cost of $3,962 in the first year and get reimbursed the second year. That would effectively be impossible for many, so you would have to pay the fine and you wouldn't have insurance.

Your maximum out of pocket costs would be $3,125. This does not include the premium - that's extra. So if something bad happens you would be expected, with an income of 25K, to pay $4,851 that year before 100% coverage kicks in. On a 25K income, this makes "affordable" a total joke.

The "actuarial percentage" is 73%, which means your average copay is 27%. So if such a person had a health condition, and had $20,000 in medical bills (not extreme - one car accident will put you over, or many illnesses requiring diagnostic testing) in a year, the first 10K of medical bills would cost (on average) $2,700. The next 10K of medical bills would only cost you $425.

Same person with a 35K income:
Required bronze premium is $3,325.

Maximum out-of-pocket costs are $4,167. Thus the maximum yearly medical bill would be $7,492. The actuarial payment percentage is 70%, so if you rack up 10K of medical costs, on average you will have to pay $3,000. The next 10K each year would only cost you $1,167.

And so it goes. Family example:
Family of 4, approximately median family income of $50,000, age of primary policy holder 35.
Out of pocket premium is $3,385, plus out-of-pocket costs of $6,250.
The actuarial coverage is 73%, so on average your copay for each $100 of medical services is $27, or $2,700 for each 10K of medical services. The probability in any given year that you will have over 5K of medical services is much greater than for the single. Families who have an ill member will probably pay $5-7K in medical costs each year.

Final example to show what's going to happen to the older persons:
Single person 62, income of $40,000 (distinctly above current average wage):
Required premium is $3,800, plus out of pocket cost of $4,167. Actuarial coverage percentage is 70%, or an average copay of $30 for each 100K in medical bills.

So the total cost for one year's coverage plus 10K of medical bills is $3,800 + $3,000 = $6,800. The next 10K in medical bills costs you $1,167.

Since the older person has a much higher probability of incurring 10K in medical bills each year (consider prescription costs alone), older people will be burning right through their retirement savings before they ever retire unless they have employer-paid medical coverage.





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We had to pass the bill CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #1
Yes, we do Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #13
I rather just pay the Medicare Tax. I hate "Managed Care" CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #15
I don't know bvar22, but I do remember some posters... stillwaiting Mar 2012 #2
If these "Bronze" Policies cover only 80% of the Medical Costs, bvar22 Mar 2012 #5
I think we can all pretty well predict the answer to that question. woo me with science Mar 2012 #3
what do you mean by co-pay? Schema Thing Mar 2012 #4
"The maximum out of pocket expense for a Bronze plan is $5,950"... bvar22 Mar 2012 #7
It is $5950 per year. bornskeptic Mar 2012 #11
regulations are still being writen alc Mar 2012 #6
No, not hardly Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #14
There are many ways a bronze policy could be structured. bornskeptic Mar 2012 #8
We won't know for two more years, I guess. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #9
After the 6k out of pocket, it seems to. Of course 6k to those in the bronze market TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #10
A single individual making $20,000 a year would have a premium cost of $85 for silver coverage, bornskeptic Mar 2012 #12
This F'n ACA plan sucks! CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #16
In other words you hope we don't get affordable healthcare for everyone within the next 20 years, bornskeptic Mar 2012 #17
There is no insurance. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #18
Insurance seems to work quite well in Germany, Switzerland, and the Netherlands, bornskeptic Mar 2012 #19
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