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50. Amateur porn makes this very, very tricky

Mon Dec 2, 2013, 09:46 PM

Dec 2013

I'm supportive of regulations, of guarantees of consent, or protected sex in the industry. The whole lot. I think porn workers deserve all the labor protections any other American enjoys.

But porn is a special case.

Amateur couples engage in and post their adventures to the internet. Do we regulate them? How do we regulate them?

I don't have amateur couples changing my oil, checking out my groceries, or moving my furniture. Certainly not for free.

So where do we draw a line on regulation? I agree, in the professional market, I want regulation. But how do we insert the government into two people and a webcam effectively?

And I don't put forward these arguments in favor of no regulation. Not at all. I'm just posing the questions, the practical instances, that we're dealing with here.

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If porn is a legitimate means of commercial activity, how do its fans feel about regulating it? [View all] geek tragedy Dec 2013 OP

I agree with regulations that protect the workers. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #1

Irresponsible on any number of levels. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #7

And the industry gets away with it. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #10

what if the adults making the film agree to go bareback, would you still insist they cant loli phabay Dec 2013 #12

I think producers should be responsible for the safety of their employees. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #22

I've said this before also Major Nikon Dec 2013 #124

Because there is a health issue involved and this is high risk behavior so barebacking should be hrmjustin Dec 2013 #25

What's "bareback"? nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #90

no condom JI7 Dec 2013 #93

Seriously? CFLDem Dec 2013 #48

And when they catch something the industry just says sorry? hrmjustin Dec 2013 #49

Yep CFLDem Dec 2013 #52

There is no other industry where this is the standard gollygee Dec 2013 #53

Actually good example CFLDem Dec 2013 #62

No, bad example gollygee Dec 2013 #65

It's not about people opinions. CFLDem Dec 2013 #68

I know when hockey helmets were introduced gollygee Dec 2013 #71

We're not talking partial interference CFLDem Dec 2013 #76

You're welcome :D gollygee Dec 2013 #77

Thanks CFLDem Dec 2013 #79

Better check into that. The helmet rule was grandfathered. The first year only ROOKIES had to wear cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #100

"ability to deposit semen as is necessary is most pornography." xulamaude Dec 2013 #97

Well to be frank (graphic warning) CFLDem Dec 2013 #110

good basic descriptions. loli phabay Dec 2013 #119

simply put its what people want to see, there are also acts that follow after that are part of sex loli phabay Dec 2013 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Dec 2013 #130

Two examples: Rugby and Australian Rules Football. Rough stuff that... and no helmets! n/t cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #95

Well this is why I believe the industry should be required to use condoms. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #54

Your examples are flawed. Agschmid Dec 2013 #129

See post #110 CFLDem Dec 2013 #131

What does NASCAR say when a driver hits the wall going 180 mph? cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #55

That they require tons of safety equipment gollygee Dec 2013 #57

Hey you came back! Glad to see you. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #58

Thanks! cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #61

Yes but this is a health issue. They could spread it and that is a health issue. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #63

Yeah but they have to also wear all available safety gear gollygee Dec 2013 #64

Teams and drivers in NASCAR NCTraveler Dec 2013 #137

doesn't NASCAR require things like helmets, certain types of clothing, cars are regulated also ? JI7 Dec 2013 #82

Why yes. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #87

There was a male porn actor recently who altered a positive test for syphilis mythology Dec 2013 #51

Mandate condoms CFLDem Dec 2013 #56

There is a Libertarian Party gollygee Dec 2013 #75

Why would I party with those asshats CFLDem Dec 2013 #78

Agree. Agschmid Dec 2013 #128

its only enforcable to a certain extent, there is more and more amateur loli phabay Dec 2013 #2

this would apply only to professionally produced stuff, not amateur home movies nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #5

remember though a lot of the amateur stuff is better produced than the pro stuff nowadays loli phabay Dec 2013 #8

amateur stuff isn't commerce, so it's not subject to that kind of regulation nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #11

technically it is part of commerce, as you pay to be a member of a site that hosts loli phabay Dec 2013 #17

"Amateur" are considered professional in many cases because they earn money. Its not for free. stevenleser Dec 2013 #36

Are you going to make every couple that screws in front of a camera use condoms? Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #3

Just those who get paid to do it. Just like the McDonalds kitchen is regulated geek tragedy Dec 2013 #6

Actually, porn is art. rrneck Dec 2013 #16

depends on the porn i suppose, and the viewer. loli phabay Dec 2013 #19

I go further there. rrneck Dec 2013 #26

yup some of the artwork, settings etc are very artistic. loli phabay Dec 2013 #116

Whatever. Quibble about the word "art", fine. Banksy has made graffiti "art". Andy kaufman made Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #20

Graffiti was art long before anyone heard of Banksy. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #27

Lookout! Goalpost movin! Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #34

you know porn has been art forever as well from the first cave paintings of ugg and ogg loli phabay Dec 2013 #120

Exactly right. ... spin Dec 2013 #121

Those chubby figurines libodem Dec 2013 #132

See my #36 above. Even folks termed "amateurs" are getting paid most of the time. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #37

I saw where CA was contemplating requiring safety goggles Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #4

diver porn? loli phabay Dec 2013 #70

from Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #80

18 USC 2257 jberryhill Dec 2013 #9

similar laws re: child exploitation exist in a variety of places nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #18

What's interesting IMHO... jberryhill Dec 2013 #59

I would support regulation lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #13

No one wants to see condoms. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #14

Well, so what? Safety and public health are much more important concerns nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #23

Obviously you don't sell porn. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #29

Public health and worker safety are more important than the ability of pornographers to get rich nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #33

Again, to YOU maybe. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #43

Just another industry that needs regulating. rrneck Dec 2013 #15

let them join sag, no idea why they are not members already. loli phabay Dec 2013 #21

Because they're not actors nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #24

i would say they are, they play parts, have lines even bad ones loli phabay Dec 2013 #30

I looked into it a little bit rrneck Dec 2013 #31

thanks, i always wondered the reason why. loli phabay Dec 2013 #118

Pretending is your forte, and pretending that any of those laws were passed for any reason beyond Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #28

Thank you for that idiotic, ad hominem, dishonest response. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #39

I think you meant filth, but I don't do the alert thing for whiny insults. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #44

How many jobs in the US require workers to engage in activities geek tragedy Dec 2013 #139

+1 NCTraveler Dec 2013 #138

no objection to enforced weekly/or some frequent time period/ testing of all porn participants quinnox Dec 2013 #32

So, you being able to see 'what's appealing' in porn is more important than worker and geek tragedy Dec 2013 #35

presumably, the frequent testing would stop any disease breakouts quinnox Dec 2013 #38

In reality, those tests do not prevent HIV. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #41

Let's consider what happened in Japan derby378 Dec 2013 #40

You'll never see "coin-op dispensers of schoolgirl panties" Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #123

Good to know, thanks! derby378 Dec 2013 #142

Here's a typical anti-molestation poster in a train/subway station Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #144

Will This Be A Federal Law ??? - Otherwise, They'll Just Move To A Red State... WillyT Dec 2013 #42

I'm fine with regulation Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #45

Why nobody has enacted a standard .xxx domain extension is completely beyond me (n/t) derby378 Dec 2013 #143

It's been tried several times Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #145

I have no objection to any industry being subject to industrial safety regulations LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #46

I agree that workplace safety is important in all industries. So is unionizing for that matter. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #47

Amateur porn makes this very, very tricky Prism Dec 2013 #50

If LITERATURE is a legitimate means of commercial activity, how do fans feel about regulating it? cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #60

Tons of commercial activity is regulated by the government n/t gollygee Dec 2013 #66

Tons of artistic expression? Or do you not think we're talking about "artistic expression"? n/t cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #67

I don't think it's particularly artistic, but that's beside the point gollygee Dec 2013 #69

So it's not a legitimate form of expression then, in your opinion? cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #72

I said that it is beside the point gollygee Dec 2013 #74

It says a lot that you won't answer a simple question about whether you think it's cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #85

Of course it is a form of artistic expression but that's beside the point gollygee Dec 2013 #96

Part of the issue, though, is that the performers are both artists petronius Dec 2013 #103

Publishing houses do have to follow OSHA regulations Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #113

I thought it was already regulated. jazzimov Dec 2013 #73

It is regulated. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #81

How about we let consenting adults be consenting adults? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #83

like the consenting adults who work at Walmart BainsBane Dec 2013 #84

Porn = slave labor? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #86

Not equals, uses BainsBane Dec 2013 #89

Some people get paid to be in bondage. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #91

slavery as a labor system, meaning being owned by another person BainsBane Dec 2013 #99

bet that at least one component in the machine you are using to post loli phabay Dec 2013 #114

Seems to me you aren't reading BainsBane Dec 2013 #115

why bother, you dance around when asked questions. loli phabay Dec 2013 #117

If you aren't going to read BainsBane Dec 2013 #135

Your using your work computer for "non-work" related activities! snooper2 Dec 2013 #141

Yes, I think all industries should have to comply with basic health and safety standards Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #88

I support regulations RainDog Dec 2013 #92

Refusing to consider this issue shows a willful disregard for workers rights BainsBane Dec 2013 #94

Yeah, if you actually cared about worker's rights, Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #98

You are free to write your own thread at anytime BainsBane Dec 2013 #101

When it fails miserably, can I claim that I was drunk? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #102

300 posts is a fail? BainsBane Dec 2013 #106

It's no "Moon Bombing", that's for sure. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #125

Sure! Why not! xulamaude Dec 2013 #107

*cough* Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #109

By the way, I've started many threads about modern slavery BainsBane Dec 2013 #104

Who on earth has been refusing to consider the issue, seriously. Kurska Dec 2013 #134

+1 Orsino Dec 2013 #140

I would be for it DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #105

conversely RainDog Dec 2013 #108

Wikipedia: Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #112

I have no problem regulating commercially produced corporate porn. Xithras Dec 2013 #122

I agree it should be regulated, not sure about that particular regulation. Kurska Dec 2013 #126

Geek JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #127

One reason I think prostitution should be legal and regulated Rex Dec 2013 #133

There should be more regulations. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #136