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Savannahmann

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3. I don't know.

Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:24 PM

Dec 2013

But one day I was flipping channels on the TV and came across a show with women body builders. My wife asked me why I don't workout and get into better shape. I said there was no difference between me and those women except some male hormones, and I could take shots and get caught up.

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Would you agree that women are, anatomically speaking, weaker than men? [View all] quinnox Dec 2013 OP

uh, yeah. so what? what's your point? cali Dec 2013 #1

Cali! did you know from Christmas to January 12th you won't be able to post! snooper2 Dec 2013 #49

I did does this please you? cali Dec 2013 #65

not really, your posts are fun for the most part... snooper2 Dec 2013 #75

We don't need to try. You're doing all the heavy lifting for us. kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #104

I hope that those attempting to get you booted are unsuccessful. Lord knows ... 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #133

Aw, that is too bad. uppityperson Dec 2013 #169

I understand. I had 2 hides that when I saw them, I said to myself: Is this a joke?... BlueJazz Dec 2013 #277

They outlive us. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #2

I don't know. Savannahmann Dec 2013 #3

Wants to talk science and biology, then says "please explain why they have been targets so much in Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #4

I just pointed out that indisputable fact because I wanted to emphasize my point quinnox Dec 2013 #9

Ok, I added more too Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #10

Actually LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #210

Thats interesting, I guess things changed from what I'd read. I think it was an old Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #218

This will be good. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #5

Our strength is in endurance. annabanana Dec 2013 #6

And ability to withstand pain. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #200

Where are we trying to go with this? bemildred Dec 2013 #7

I'm just trying to see if we have widespread agreement about basic science here quinnox Dec 2013 #8

What basic science? bemildred Dec 2013 #17

Sounds like you don't agree that anatomically speaking, men are stronger than women quinnox Dec 2013 #23

Correct. I would agree that some men are stronger than some women. bemildred Dec 2013 #28

Ok, you obviously don't want to recognize the reality of basic biological differences between men quinnox Dec 2013 #33

Yes, clearly, you said so, so it must be true. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #36

Here, this is for you: bemildred Dec 2013 #54

Does muscle mass automatically make men stronger? enlightenment Dec 2013 #67

It is stereotyping women as "weak", that's what it is. bemildred Dec 2013 #94

Also.... most men do not realize that women are stronger in their legs than upper body VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #208

Well - in areas where women are stronger that really doesn't count bhikkhu Dec 2013 #259

Ah, the motive Matariki Dec 2013 #114

The new version of "The Bible says ..." nt bemildred Dec 2013 #159

In some ways many women are weaker than men... cynatnite Dec 2013 #11

And I will defend the Bible for a second here nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #50

And don't forget Jael. Brigid Dec 2013 #81

We are bad nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #83

Yes, we are. Brigid Dec 2013 #84

Don't forget Salome. Sognefjord Dec 2013 #182

Yep, there are plenty of strong women in the Bible... cynatnite Dec 2013 #101

Not to mention - Aphrodite, Athena, Artemis, Demeter, Hera, etc bhikkhu Dec 2013 #260

I've always Munificence Dec 2013 #66

.... cynatnite Dec 2013 #102

Hogwash jamzrockz Dec 2013 #124

God, I hope this is snark. historylovr Dec 2013 #137

It's interesting that the focus is always only on physical strength. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #214

Male Oppression of Women On the Road Dec 2013 #258

Mostly ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #12

Muscularly speaking, yes. But biologically, no. mainer Dec 2013 #13

^^^^This^^^^^ Motown_Johnny Dec 2013 #85

I think women tend to be stronger, pound for pound... Wounded Bear Dec 2013 #14

I'm pretty sure that's not actually the case. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #107

Define "weaker." Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #15

physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #16

Probably not. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #19

Everyone knows the answer to this Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #24

You believe that every man is faster/stronger than every woman? LisaLynne Dec 2013 #46

Of coarse not. Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #62

That is a very limited measure of physical strength. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #215

Have a man give birth to an 8 pound baby, and ... frazzled Dec 2013 #18

Yes. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #29

Pain tolerance is definitely in women's favor in lots of ways. scheming daemons Dec 2013 #37

Did you conduct research on pain tolerance in women vs. men? Pitagoras Dec 2013 #131

If men had the tools to have babies, they would have babies, like women do Pitagoras Dec 2013 #119

Oh, gee, I didn't realize that frazzled Dec 2013 #129

Yeah, men are defective and lacking in that way. Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #185

i gave birth to a food "baby" once FatBuddy Dec 2013 #120

Shoot, forget the labor pains. Have a man have one really good menstrual cramp Number23 Dec 2013 #205

In Soviet Russia Woman kick Man Ass snooper2 Dec 2013 #20

Of course LittleBlue Dec 2013 #21

Define "weaker." Demoiselle Dec 2013 #22

physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #25

No man has been able to beat that specific man's world record in power-lifting over his head, either cyberswede Dec 2013 #93

No, I am comparing the men and womens world records in all powerlifting categories quinnox Dec 2013 #112

I suppose you must think that Chinese biology has changed substantially over the past three decades Chathamization Dec 2013 #150

I don't think she would KamaAina Dec 2013 #26

Then she would be an absolute idiot cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #31

How well would she do against you? KamaAina Dec 2013 #35

And the point of that is? cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #48

Well, we're both men, amirite? KamaAina Dec 2013 #56

Careful, mediocre means he can make many mistakes. Rex Dec 2013 #42

Mediocre male boxers would physically kill her.... Be serious scheming daemons Dec 2013 #34

Mediocre male boxer would end up getting knocked out. Rex Dec 2013 #45

mediocre - "of only moderate quality" cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #79

But she is not of moderate quality, that championship belt Rex Dec 2013 #86

Was the 55 year old, 15 years retired Bobby Riggs a "moderate" tennis player? EOTE Dec 2013 #99

Hey I am still surprised Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson. Rex Dec 2013 #127

You might like this 4Q2u2 Dec 2013 #244

This one is just funny 4Q2u2 Dec 2013 #247

A mediocre male boxer of her weight? She'd KO him in seconds Recursion Dec 2013 #74

Don't even go there Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #82

Have any scientific data to back that up? EOTE Dec 2013 #103

I have years of studying multiple close combat forms Recursion Dec 2013 #195

So that's a huge no. EOTE Dec 2013 #224

Since when are strikes about muscle strength? Recursion Dec 2013 #226

You really don't understand this at all. EOTE Dec 2013 #228

LOL Recursion Dec 2013 #231

If your sensei is TRULY telling you this ridiculousness rather than you just making it up... EOTE Dec 2013 #236

Utter nonsense. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #109

every sensei I've had has said the opposite Recursion Dec 2013 #196

Where did I invoke upper body strength or "big shoulders?" Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #235

That's the real joke: you completely missed my point Recursion Dec 2013 #240

Nope. I missed nothing. Seems you can't say the same. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #246

But... but... YOUTUBE! EOTE Dec 2013 #250

Elite male athletes are stronger than elite female athletes. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #105

Women have the biological advantage mainer Dec 2013 #27

+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #211

Big deal. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #30

Greater muscle mass means more physical strength.... It isn't really debatable. scheming daemons Dec 2013 #32

Thank you, I honestly don't understand why this statement gets any resistance quinnox Dec 2013 #40

Because its PC to go along with the construct LordGlenconner Dec 2013 #148

Ok, so lets determine what area men excel in, and define that as "strength" bhikkhu Dec 2013 #180

No! Because it is not true! JDPriestly Dec 2013 #216

no mercuryblues Dec 2013 #254

I think it would be helpful to delineate what part of the anatomy you had in mind. Sheepshank Dec 2013 #38

physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #44

probably not Sheepshank Dec 2013 #52

Correct, and I have already looked it up. In all power-lifting categories, the mens record is quinnox Dec 2013 #57

but how does that create a 21st century advantage? What's the point? Sheepshank Dec 2013 #60

You mean pure physical strength? Rex Dec 2013 #39

Undeniable? What percentage of the male population can outlift this woman then - bhikkhu Dec 2013 #175

I said the population at large, you just showed an example of an exception. Rex Dec 2013 #191

Men are strong, women are not bhikkhu Dec 2013 #198

Some. It's a matter of distribution. Xithras Dec 2013 #41

Thank you. nt LisaLynne Dec 2013 #47

+1. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #64

Almost no men could ever match the weightlifting records of women Chathamization Dec 2013 #43

Almost no women could match them, either Orrex Dec 2013 #51

Correct, so why bring up potential thresholds that will apply to almost no one? N/T Chathamization Dec 2013 #144

So everyone can take credit for the hard work of a few bhikkhu Dec 2013 #261

What do you mean by weaker? intaglio Dec 2013 #53

Physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #58

Would a normal man be able to match the female record for power lifting? intaglio Dec 2013 #152

I think with the proper nutrition and weight training, a woman can be every bit as liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #55

I can't imagine the relevance of a disparity of foot-pounds per square inch LanternWaste Dec 2013 #59

The question is so poorly stated it can't be answered. nolabear Dec 2013 #61

The question is very straightforward and clear quinnox Dec 2013 #63

let me ask again: what is your point? seriously, so what? cali Dec 2013 #68

I see you already gave the correct answer that yes, it is true quinnox Dec 2013 #70

Why do you think the percentage of male infants who survive is lower? nolabear Dec 2013 #91

+1 cyberswede Dec 2013 #98

because men and women are biologically different Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #132

Exactly. Men are better at some things, women at others. nolabear Dec 2013 #139

would you agree that women are more verbal than men? I'm talking science here. cali Dec 2013 #69

If you mean they 'chatter' more (and I doubt you do), I'd disagree with that. randome Dec 2013 #73

A trained woman can punch harder and wrestle better Recursion Dec 2013 #71

You said this up thread earlier. Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #88

Why are you pitting a woman against a professional male fighter? Rex Dec 2013 #95

Can't happen Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #100

So you completey discount experience in the ring Rex Dec 2013 #117

What's really funny is he didn't noticed I dodged the OP's question Recursion Dec 2013 #199

Look Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #257

You're underestimating weight class Recursion Dec 2013 #194

You're underestimating logic and knowledge. EOTE Dec 2013 #267

Which is why inter-gender boxing and wrestling are so common and popular. EOTE Dec 2013 #106

Most dojos I've been in only consider weight Recursion Dec 2013 #197

Sparring is one thing. EOTE Dec 2013 #225

Yeah, the male is going to end up on his ass in that case. Recursion Dec 2013 #227

I do know what both look like. EOTE Dec 2013 #229

It would be a massacre and would result in death if there was no intervention. EOTE Dec 2013 #230

You're hilarious Recursion Dec 2013 #234

Go on. Show me just ONE link or video. EOTE Dec 2013 #237

There are like five youtube channels of this Recursion Dec 2013 #243

Way to dodge there, champ. EOTE Dec 2013 #248

No one's claiming women can never win such fights. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #249

Depends on the form, again Recursion Dec 2013 #251

You said that women of the same size can hit much harder than men. That's bullshit. EOTE Dec 2013 #255

Sure they can. Recursion Dec 2013 #263

Not the brightest one. EOTE Dec 2013 #265

Have you ever even thrown a punch? Recursion Dec 2013 #266

Quite a few, actually. EOTE Dec 2013 #269

Google Kathy Long for starters Recursion Dec 2013 #270

Wow is this getting stupid. EOTE Dec 2013 #272

He's also absolutely correct. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #242

Exactly. Technique trumps raw physical power any day of the week. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #253

Women, the weaker sex? Shadowflash Dec 2013 #72

ALL women weaker than ALL men? Matariki Dec 2013 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Dec 2013 #77

Marine Corps moondust Dec 2013 #78

Why would any intelligent woman want to join the Marines? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #217

Why do intelligent men join the Corps? Recursion Dec 2013 #238

Inferiority complex. They want to prove they are better than others. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #276

My mom was in the marines bhikkhu Dec 2013 #262

Did she pass the physical tests that the other DUer mentioned? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #275

She wasn't in infantry, but had to do all the regular boot camp things bhikkhu Dec 2013 #278

I believe they have been targets so much in history by men ohheckyeah Dec 2013 #80

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #87

Agree. It's not a hill I would choose to die on though. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #89

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #160

lamebait. Whisp Dec 2013 #90

Thank you. nt TBF Dec 2013 #96

Re-lig-on…to natural selection.. Tikki Dec 2013 #92

It depends on whether you're talking about short-term muscle power, pnwmom Dec 2013 #97

In general, most men have the ability to overpower most women if they want gollygee Dec 2013 #108

9/10 - amusing thread Dash87 Dec 2013 #110

Which women and which men? MineralMan Dec 2013 #111

I am not referring to individuals, but in general terms quinnox Dec 2013 #118

General statements are generally incorrect. MineralMan Dec 2013 #125

Not this one. quinnox Dec 2013 #128

You can point to anything you like. MineralMan Dec 2013 #130

Have you ever heard of sexual dimorphism? Bonobo Dec 2013 #193

Of course I have, and yes, there is a certain amount of it MineralMan Dec 2013 #222

THE STUPID HAS ACHIEVED THE SUBLIME WilliamPitt Dec 2013 #113

Sublime? No way, the stupid is barreling down the road w/ the radio on full blast and a subwoofer FSogol Dec 2013 #115

And the funniest part? cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #167

True dat! n/t FSogol Dec 2013 #221

Mmm lime Dash87 Dec 2013 #123

Sublime needs Clever. This has no clever. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #135

Enough. Iggo Dec 2013 #116

lol, you forgot to say "trashing the thread!" quinnox Dec 2013 #121

No I didn't. Iggo Dec 2013 #122

Who needs butter? Get it while you can folks! Initech Dec 2013 #126

In what way do you think Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #134

Ok, the full story behind this quinnox Dec 2013 #136

And yet you wonder then why many people react as such to an insincere question? LanternWaste Dec 2013 #147

It's the list of whom you consider "weak" gollygee Dec 2013 #149

For most of human history, women HAVE been "weaker" in that sense. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #153

so you lied in the OP, about your intentions. Awesome. bettyellen Dec 2013 #156

If you're ever stuck in the wilderness and someone needs to go for help..... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2013 #138

Gawd Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #140

Let's ask these two gentlemen Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #141

on a group level, yes. individual variance exists. my wife is stronger than most men her size. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #142

Let me correct that post for you... alp227 Dec 2013 #143

+1. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #145

Well, I think your attempts at rewriting the OP fail, and it is not misogynistic to state scientific quinnox Dec 2013 #146

all the racist and homophobic researchers of the last one hundred years would agree with you on this bettyellen Dec 2013 #154

+1 TDale313 Dec 2013 #162

Why indeed? Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #252

Only when it comes to the anatomy of muscles. polichick Dec 2013 #151

Sad to say, one has to actually define "weaker" before expecting a valid answer. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #155

When I see a 5’ mother with a heavy toddler asleep on her shoulder and another year old child on her AlinPA Dec 2013 #157

Hmmmm, how many men do you know that can give birth? lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #158

Some men are weak, some women are. Some women are strong, so are some men. we can do it Dec 2013 #161

I'm of a matriarchal family. hunter Dec 2013 #163

Flamebait, pure and simple. TDale313 Dec 2013 #164

notice mercuryblues Dec 2013 #165

I think you have to go back several thousand years BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #166

It depends on what you mean by weaker. Vague criteria are a bad sign for "science." LeftyMom Dec 2013 #168

Physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #170

Those are still insufficiently specific. Do you mean a specific task? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #171

At a basic level, like this statement - "most males are taller and stronger than females" quinnox Dec 2013 #173

But that's a very incomplete summary of sexual dimorphism. Women tend to have greater endurance LeftyMom Dec 2013 #178

sure, it is just one factor, but that is what I focused on in my OP quinnox Dec 2013 #179

IT's always "scientific." treestar Dec 2013 #241

It depends on the person bhikkhu Dec 2013 #172

Why has this not been locked? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #174

Yup. It is an evolved trait, like many others -both physical and psychological. Bonobo Dec 2013 #176

Exactly. Human evolution science is very clear on this point quinnox Dec 2013 #177

Take a course in biology before acting like you understand evolution MattBaggins Dec 2013 #186

I have taken many and I do understand it. Bonobo Dec 2013 #188

if the question is whether the average man can beat the average woman in an arm wrestle, then yes. Vattel Dec 2013 #181

Slow news day today? LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #183

lol quinnox Dec 2013 #184

mrs grantcart informs me that the answer to this questions is "No". grantcart Dec 2013 #187

heh, well that settles it then! quinnox Dec 2013 #189

In a complex world I appreciate referring such complicating questions to her, saves time grantcart Dec 2013 #190

Sounds good to me! If only all the worlds problems were this easy. quinnox Dec 2013 #192

Depends what you mean by "weaker." Deep13 Dec 2013 #201

men know that nothing they do tops giving birth to another human being Skittles Dec 2013 #202

And they live longer than us too. Deep13 Dec 2013 #203

I am not diminishing men's role in society Skittles Dec 2013 #204

I'm describing, not making value judgments. Deep13 Dec 2013 #206

You should make the face palm smiley your avatar Number23 Dec 2013 #207

Really says it all Number 23. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #256

If anything you've made the case in a bizarre way that men are smarter than women, more MillennialDem Dec 2013 #209

MM, I think this is a typo in your post: tblue37 Jul 2014 #279

Biologically? LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #212

Depends on how your measure weakness and strength. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #213

Depends on how you're measuring. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #219

No, I would not agree. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2013 #220

Physically, yes. LWolf Dec 2013 #223

Depends on the individual treestar Dec 2013 #232

Not my wife. pangaia Dec 2013 #233

Yes, they are weaker fadedrose Dec 2013 #239

Physically, some women have less strength than some men. But that's not the answer to your 2nd Fla Dem Dec 2013 #245

Why do men die violently more often than women do? (nt) Recursion Dec 2013 #264

a small yes Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #268

No, just different. Myrina Dec 2013 #271

I'm really not saying anything here that is controversial. Here is a science article that explains quinnox Dec 2013 #273

I love how pro-science DU can't bother to link to any science in this entire thread mathematic Dec 2013 #274