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71. ... but of course Congress will refuse to pay for it. nt

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It's not the morphine, it's the size of the cage: Rat Park experiment upturns conventional wisdom [View all] Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 OP

Hope this gets some attention FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #1

Surely it will from those who need to bury it rurallib Dec 2013 #8

Interesting point. calimary Dec 2013 #50

And yet, those that have it all can be addicted erronis Dec 2013 #77

I wonder what you'd have to do to rats to make them live like fat-cats FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #78

note that these rats "have it all" in the form of healthy relationships magical thyme Dec 2013 #80

Amazing. Big K n R n/t n2doc Dec 2013 #2

Forced isolation isn't the same as self-inflicted isolation. tridim Dec 2013 #3

Yes, maybe addiction treatment should focus more on community integration than Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #7

the science says that 5-10% of us are addicts and don't can't use iona funcitonal manner elehhhhna Dec 2013 #18

would you agree that NJCher Dec 2013 #44

too much money and too little imagination is a BIG PROBLEM, also, elehhhhna Dec 2013 #79

The fact that it's illegal... freebrew Dec 2013 #61

K&R (I recommend looking at the comic link... very cool) nt SalviaBlue Dec 2013 #4

Fascinating malaise Dec 2013 #5

Fascinating. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #6

This is intriguing. Chemisse Dec 2013 #9

Sad to say the paradise that is northern California is full of heroin and meth addicts. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #10

Doesn't that match the results of the study? Maedhros Dec 2013 #29

"economic isolation/desperation" bvar22 Dec 2013 #31

Not really. Rats are, for the most part, far more trustworthy & greatful than people. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #33

I'm talking about the northern counties, humboldt, del norte, shasta, trinity. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #34

Humboldt - Marijuana growing capital of the west coast. SharonAnn Dec 2013 #37

It's more about coastal vs. inland dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #54

Thinking about it, it makes sense Revanchist Dec 2013 #11

This is fascinating. Chellee Dec 2013 #12

It certainly calls into question the methodology of using social animals in isolation in studies..nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #14

I think if you take any animal... Chellee Dec 2013 #19

Nice points.....nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #58

Very interesting k/r fishwax Dec 2013 #13

Great find. K&R LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #15

I challenged a "counselor" that my former employer made us listen to on this eridani Dec 2013 #16

This info's been around since the late 70's/ Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #21

FYI, Nixon started the official War on Drugs... truebluegreen Dec 2013 #40

Excellent reminder.............nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #59

of course the humans never took into consideration the suffering G_j Dec 2013 #17

More like the WOO of science...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #22

"the woo of science"??? Duppers Dec 2013 #51

gives new meaning to...... Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #20

Hard to believe it's almost been 20 years since that song came out. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #24

They look so young! been awhile...... lunasun Dec 2013 #27

I heard about this study robbob Dec 2013 #23

Seemingly no different than alcohol dbackjon Dec 2013 #25

On a somewhat related note ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #26

so little insight NJCher Dec 2013 #45

There is a reason why ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #47

Dr. Gabor Mat� concurs RufusTFirefly Dec 2013 #28

I like that attunement concept. Good Reads. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #32

You're welcome! Thanks for starting the ball rolling! n/t RufusTFirefly Dec 2013 #41

I'm glad you brought this out, I had no idea. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #30

Most interesting. Thanks for sharing. Auggie Dec 2013 #35

Brilliant and quite convincing. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #36

It's conceivable behavior has multiple causes? DirkGently Dec 2013 #38

I read this a couple of months ago RainDog Dec 2013 #39

Excellent post. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #60

thanks RainDog Dec 2013 #64

Also from 30 years ago, alcohol for pigs. Festivito Dec 2013 #42

poor socio-economic conditions BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #43

Decades later there are still replicability problems Recursion Dec 2013 #46

That really makes you go "hmm". loudsue Dec 2013 #48

Well, now we know how to treat addicted rats. Coyotl Dec 2013 #49

... but of course Congress will refuse to pay for it. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2013 #71

Are rats smart enough to know the difference between tap water and water laced with morphine? wickerwoman Dec 2013 #52

If they didn't, you'd expect them to choose which to drink randomly. jeff47 Dec 2013 #62

You'd have to control for the flavor as well. wickerwoman Dec 2013 #66

Confirms anecdotal evidence from homeless people. Laelth Dec 2013 #53

Treat their lives, not their addictions dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #55

It's also how MLK's thinking evolved regarding social justice RainDog Dec 2013 #70

A real ''Quantum'' leap in thinking. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #56

Just incredible! nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #57

Apparently the rodents in the natural environment were happy riversedge Dec 2013 #63

I believe it was a combination of natural environment and connectedness/role to/in community. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #65

This is borne out in clinical practice in hospitals, too Warpy Dec 2013 #67

Thanks for that info. My daughter is currently taking lots of morphine deurbano Dec 2013 #69

She might become dependent on it for a while Warpy Dec 2013 #73

interesting RainDog Dec 2013 #75

Who'da thunk it? QUALITY of life matters! AlbertCat Dec 2013 #68

Who could have guessed that stress and depression would cause addiction Rex Dec 2013 #72

Interesting. Bookmarking for later. geardaddy Dec 2013 #74

That's very interesting but...How do you explain Auntie Bush Dec 2013 #76

human brain chemistry is not the same as rat brain chemistry. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #81

this study was done to test another, earlier study RainDog Dec 2013 #82

Good points, all. Was not aware of the prior study, and the confined space seems geek tragedy Dec 2013 #83

this study calls the issue of physical addiction into question RainDog Dec 2013 #84

With respect, the issue of physical addiction and withdrawal symptoms is more than the addict's geek tragedy Dec 2013 #85

with respect - I wasn't making an all or nothing statement RainDog Dec 2013 #86

We are in agreement. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #87

Chemical addiction and behavioral addiction RainDog Dec 2013 #88

Obvious differences between chemical ingestion and behavioral addictions. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #89

except the one study doesn't support the assumption RainDog Dec 2013 #90

"one study" is hardly dispositive in this area nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #91

yet it's the only one that has been done RainDog Dec 2013 #92

I did not say that there was support, only that I would not be surprised geek tragedy Dec 2013 #93

peace to you RainDog Dec 2013 #94