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NoOneMan

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142. A few reasons...

Tue Dec 3, 2013, 04:17 PM

Dec 2013

1) Sounds like another pain in the ass. I don't like dealing with pains in the ass. You don't either. That's why you don't want to file a state return for what state you were born in. What a drag.
2) I cannot really unless I have citizenship in another country
3) Heroes Earnings Assistance and Relief Act of 2008 (expatriation tax)
4) Worried about future action regarding barring renounced expats from entry. I wish to have the same right to visit as any member of a country with a visa treaty.
5) Its a choice I don't necessarily wish to make for my children
6) There is a possibility I may at some time need to take care of ailing parents by residing there for over a 6 month window. Why make that more difficult?

etc, etc.

I don't think any of that really merits I should continually pay some fee or that the US has a right to track my assets.

Fuck your bridges and roads. If I use them, Ill pay for them. I currently use and pay for someone elses. Stop fawning over Warren Buffet and get him and his buddies to pay for your fuckn roads.

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Warning! USA invading Canada and other countries. be aware if you are an US person living abroad. [View all] riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 OP

Germany is now considering citizen based taxation for its citizens riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #1

Does FACTA include "corporate persons"? Will we finally get to learn where all our money went? NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #2

NO riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #4

Then it most definitely is bullshit. Fucking typical. nt NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #5

It is easier to catch minnows than big fish riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #7

What do you mean "grab some low to middle class dual citizen's pension"? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #78

In order to qualify for the foreign earned income exclusion, Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #83

That sounds fair, no? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #84

If an overseas American has income from the US, Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #86

You got socked with a big Japanese tax bill? What does that matter in this discussion? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #92

No US tax bill Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #95

Do you think US citizens should be able to avoid taxes pnwmom Dec 2013 #72

No, I only want the law applied uniformly. nt NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #73

Well then giving HUGE breaks to high income and net worth people ... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #77

I think US citizens shouldn't be liable for US taxes on non-US income if they're not US residents Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #94

Yes NoOneMan Dec 2013 #104

Not true Sgent Dec 2013 #87

true riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #88

More..... MADem Dec 2013 #3

Sadly you can hear the interviews on the audio riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #6

It isn't a video file--it's an audio one, and it works fine. MADem Dec 2013 #8

I heard it already the day it was broadcast riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #9

I think the Canadian government approves of this, otherwise they wouldn't allow it to happen. MADem Dec 2013 #12

You guessed right. riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #14

US citizens and green card holders owe US taxes pnwmom Dec 2013 #10

THese people are dual citizens riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #11

Then they can make a choice. If they want the benefits of US citizenry, they can pay the taxes. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #13

What benefits? riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #15

If they can see no benefit, they can relinquish. If it is as bad as you describe, they msanthrope Dec 2013 #16

THey are riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #18

Good. When we've lost all our Ambassadors, you let me know. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #19

I will and riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #21

On another thread, you revealed that you are getting your info on this issue from Glenn Beck. msanthrope Dec 2013 #24

I don't think you read the other thread well riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #28

I provided you the link. Did you not realize you are using Glenn Beck's news organization? msanthrope Dec 2013 #29

No I did not riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #34

Your source is a nobody libertarian who identifies himself as a blow-hard. pnwmom Dec 2013 #80

If they get no benefits then they should relinquish. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #30

They are renouncing in droves riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #37

Let me explain about living overseas Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #85

You are not telling me anything I don't know. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #91

I didn't pay any US income tax Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #96

Ok. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #97

No, it didn't Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #98

The OP posted some right wing clap trap about how it costs $3000 dollars to file ... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #99

I will admit Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #100

She specifically says that is ALL prep fees and never paid the tax. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #101

If that's the case, and she's not confused, Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #102

So you fully endorse this pain in the ass? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #105

delete dupe FourScore Dec 2013 #118

LOL! Great argument about the state taxes because it's true. FourScore Dec 2013 #124

LOL. States don't eqal countries. Nice try. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #133

The distinction is somewhat arbitrary. States are income tax zones based on residency NoOneMan Dec 2013 #141

What's that situation again? That high earners might have to pay a little US taxes on the income.. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #143

Who cares if its a little, a lot or a pain in the ass time wasting bureaucracy you ultimately fund NoOneMan Dec 2013 #144

How can they afford to do it? Glassunion Dec 2013 #22

FATCA was passed in 2010. Whoever falls under this had fair warning. I mean....if you msanthrope Dec 2013 #23

Senator Levin wants those who renounce and relinquish riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #40

He's right..and if I were you, I'd stop using Glen Beck as a news source. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #61

Thank you for the advice riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #62

THis lady is not a glen beck follower riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #64

Your Glenn Beck attack is pretty low. I thought you were better than that. n/t FourScore Dec 2013 #119

The poster used Glen Beck's news organization for her 'facts.' Take msanthrope Dec 2013 #132

You are so correct. riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #38

The USA is one of two countries in the world that taxes on the basis of citizenship... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #20

I completely agree with you. nt City Lights Dec 2013 #25

Good. I think it's a great system. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #31

I take it you've never lived abroad, then. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #33

You have a great point riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #42

Lived in Belgium for over a year, with extensive travel through Europe, msanthrope Dec 2013 #112

Did you live on US dollars or did you actually WORK and JOIN in their society and economy? FourScore Dec 2013 #115

Given that most of my time in Africa was spent documenting refugee flight, msanthrope Dec 2013 #128

I work in the film industry. We come from different perspectives. And BTW, FourScore Dec 2013 #130

Jeebus christ...go sit sometime in a cinema in Belgium, and when the multiple msanthrope Dec 2013 #131

Its can be improved. All US citizens should file state returns for life of any state they lived in NoOneMan Dec 2013 #106

How would you propose we make things fair when these folks exercise their right to come home... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #35

this is a totally nonsensical non sequitur Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #39

What if they return to live permanently after, say, 10 or 20 years? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #41

No, they didn't live there so why should they be back charged? riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #45

I suppose they will agree to never get sick and need disability, SSI, Medicaid . Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #55

You got it wrong riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #58

Maybe solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #89

Green for victory!!... SidDithers Dec 2013 #138

Anyone who lives in any other developed country and gets sick, etc... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #60

This lady lived in Canada and riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #66

Oh please, I got to the part where the little old lady disabled pensioner never paid a dime .. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #69

No, then they pay taxes as resident citizens. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #51

Yeah, Eritrea ain't the world policeman. We got bills to pay. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #74

So, which is it? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #75

Like the old toast goes: Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #76

"ain't a bad shake" NoOneMan Dec 2013 #108

Then relinquish your citizenship and be done with it. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #134

A few reasons... NoOneMan Dec 2013 #142

"get him and his buddies to pay for your fuckn roads" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #145

"a few higher income crybabies chip in a few bucks" NoOneMan Dec 2013 #146

Nah. We'll just send you a bill. LOL Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #147

And there it is. NoOneMan Dec 2013 #148

I suppose voting isn't one of the rights you choose to retain and exercise? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #149

So we're doing all this to fund counting expats ballots? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #150

Nah, just wondering how much responsibilty you take for "my" failed state. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #152

Zero NoOneMan Dec 2013 #153

I figured as much. Pay up or relinquish. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #154

Pay your own bills! NoOneMan Dec 2013 #155

I pay my bills. And your parents and your kids, apparently. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #157

My parents live in the states and pay their own bills NoOneMan Dec 2013 #158

spoken like a true RWer... dionysus Dec 2013 #164

A right winger wouldn't be happy paying a much higher tax rate for universal health care... NoOneMan Dec 2013 #165

then renounce already. dionysus Dec 2013 #166

Mmmmm, yeah NoOneMan Dec 2013 #167

you're right, i don't give a fuck about ones who tax dodgers. now avoid your taxes at all costs. dionysus Dec 2013 #168

As a resident of a civilized country, I pay more tax than you. I do so gladly. NoOneMan Dec 2013 #169

The point is they will not exercise that right riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #43

Then relinquish the citisenship and be done with it. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #151

The same way the rest of the world does it NoOneMan Dec 2013 #107

They're tax evaders if they're US citizens/green card holders and pnwmom Dec 2013 #71

Here is comments on blog from New Zealand riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #17

I am so sorry. There is something really weird going on here in the US. We are no longer a liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #26

Read this essay riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #27

Here's a clue for the New Zealnd couple: Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #48

They don't want a social Security number for their daughter riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #52

I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit, mmkay? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #63

You love to call bullshit on arguments that don't fit into your world view. Hmm...where did I read FourScore Dec 2013 #116

You are the one posting made up anti-tax teabagger fables. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #137

Huh? What are you talking about? What testimony? n/t FourScore Dec 2013 #163

The child of one US citizen parent born abroad is considered a US citizen by the US government. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #57

Billionaires thank you for your efforts to protect their tax havens. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2013 #32

You are so wrong riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #36

Yeah, that's why two major tax havens just agreed to this law. jeff47 Dec 2013 #47

They must have agreed to do it treestar Dec 2013 #44

read this and the bold letters on the end. riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #46

FATCA written by FATCATS seveneyes Dec 2013 #49

very true. riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #53

Non fatcats can exempt all their income up to $97k and use Turbo Tax. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #65

No that is not true riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #67

Here, let me look it up for you. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #68

I think there is more to it than jealousy, riverbendviewgal. FourScore Dec 2013 #125

The very purpose of these laws is to tax off shore millionaires and their hidden assets. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #135

Its about time we took their Beer wells for our own!!! JoePhilly Dec 2013 #50

That is the intention riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #54

I'm too afraid that the NSA would see me watch it and then JoePhilly Dec 2013 #56

???????????? riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #59

I agree with one thing DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #70

I believe Ted Cruz never paid Canadian taxes riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #79

No bankruptcies from medical bills - only partially true OnlinePoker Dec 2013 #81

Can I tell you something riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #82

Oh riverbendviewgal! What an unbelievable story! FourScore Dec 2013 #126

FourScore riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #159

My dear, dear riverbendviewgal, FourScore Dec 2013 #162

replies DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #90

Resident based taxation riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #93

the times they are a changin DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #103

Interesting way to put it. RAFREE Dec 2013 #140

Whenever this subject comes up--even on the most liberal sites--the grouchy get-off-my-porchers show NoOneMan Dec 2013 #109

Just the FACTS as far as I have seen them here. RAFREE Dec 2013 #110

Border babies laundry_queen Dec 2013 #111

Sorry to say RAFREE Dec 2013 #113

Most Democrats in Congress supported this law. Most Republicans in Congress opposed it Freddie Stubbs Dec 2013 #114

Too bad RAFREE Dec 2013 #117

This is by far the best and most reasoned response in this entire thread. FourScore Dec 2013 #120

Thank you for seeing the message. riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #122

Welcome to DU. RAFREE riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #121

Thanks RAFREE Dec 2013 #123

YES!! Welcome (or welcome back) to DU! FourScore Dec 2013 #127

I'm trying to figure out what your beef is with the law. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #136

It's difficult if RAFREE Dec 2013 #156

I'm a British Citizen and US green card holder Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #129

Green card holder RAFREE Dec 2013 #139

Thanks for all this info and posting about this. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #160

You very welcome. RAFREE Dec 2013 #161