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In reply to the discussion: Would you agree that women are, anatomically speaking, weaker than men? [View all]

alp227

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143. Let me correct that post for you...
Reply to quinnox (Original post)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:10 PM
Dec 2013

Would you agree that black people are, intellectually speaking, weaker than white people?

I'm talking science here, and biology. And if you don't agree they are weaker, please explain why they have been targets for racism and discrimination so much in history by white people.

Would you agree that gay people are less moral and strong than straight people?

I'm talking science here, and biology. And if you don't agree they are weaker, please explain why they have been targets for hatred so much in history by straight people.

Seriously. If the posts were like the two theoreticals I presented they'd be auto-removed in 2 minutes. But a jury let THIS ACTUAL ONE stand 2-4?

This is misogynistic flamebait concern trolling bullcrap. Why is this posted on a PROGRESSIVE message board?

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Would you agree that women are, anatomically speaking, weaker than men? [View all] quinnox Dec 2013 OP
uh, yeah. so what? what's your point? cali Dec 2013 #1
Cali! did you know from Christmas to January 12th you won't be able to post! snooper2 Dec 2013 #49
I did does this please you? cali Dec 2013 #65
not really, your posts are fun for the most part... snooper2 Dec 2013 #75
We don't need to try. You're doing all the heavy lifting for us. kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #104
I hope that those attempting to get you booted are unsuccessful. Lord knows ... 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #133
Aw, that is too bad. uppityperson Dec 2013 #169
I understand. I had 2 hides that when I saw them, I said to myself: Is this a joke?... BlueJazz Dec 2013 #277
They outlive us. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #2
I don't know. Savannahmann Dec 2013 #3
Wants to talk science and biology, then says "please explain why they have been targets so much in Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #4
I just pointed out that indisputable fact because I wanted to emphasize my point quinnox Dec 2013 #9
Ok, I added more too Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #10
Actually LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #210
Thats interesting, I guess things changed from what I'd read. I think it was an old Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #218
This will be good. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #5
Our strength is in endurance. annabanana Dec 2013 #6
And ability to withstand pain. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #200
Where are we trying to go with this? bemildred Dec 2013 #7
I'm just trying to see if we have widespread agreement about basic science here quinnox Dec 2013 #8
What basic science? bemildred Dec 2013 #17
Sounds like you don't agree that anatomically speaking, men are stronger than women quinnox Dec 2013 #23
Correct. I would agree that some men are stronger than some women. bemildred Dec 2013 #28
Ok, you obviously don't want to recognize the reality of basic biological differences between men quinnox Dec 2013 #33
Yes, clearly, you said so, so it must be true. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #36
Here, this is for you: bemildred Dec 2013 #54
Does muscle mass automatically make men stronger? enlightenment Dec 2013 #67
It is stereotyping women as "weak", that's what it is. bemildred Dec 2013 #94
Also.... most men do not realize that women are stronger in their legs than upper body VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #208
Well - in areas where women are stronger that really doesn't count bhikkhu Dec 2013 #259
Ah, the motive Matariki Dec 2013 #114
The new version of "The Bible says ..." nt bemildred Dec 2013 #159
In some ways many women are weaker than men... cynatnite Dec 2013 #11
And I will defend the Bible for a second here nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #50
And don't forget Jael. Brigid Dec 2013 #81
We are bad nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #83
Yes, we are. Brigid Dec 2013 #84
Don't forget Salome. Sognefjord Dec 2013 #182
Yep, there are plenty of strong women in the Bible... cynatnite Dec 2013 #101
Not to mention - Aphrodite, Athena, Artemis, Demeter, Hera, etc bhikkhu Dec 2013 #260
I've always Munificence Dec 2013 #66
.... cynatnite Dec 2013 #102
Hogwash jamzrockz Dec 2013 #124
God, I hope this is snark. historylovr Dec 2013 #137
It's interesting that the focus is always only on physical strength. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #214
Male Oppression of Women On the Road Dec 2013 #258
Mostly ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #12
Muscularly speaking, yes. But biologically, no. mainer Dec 2013 #13
^^^^This^^^^^ Motown_Johnny Dec 2013 #85
I think women tend to be stronger, pound for pound... Wounded Bear Dec 2013 #14
I'm pretty sure that's not actually the case. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #107
Define "weaker." Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #15
physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #16
Probably not. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #19
Everyone knows the answer to this Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #24
You believe that every man is faster/stronger than every woman? LisaLynne Dec 2013 #46
Of coarse not. Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #62
That is a very limited measure of physical strength. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #215
Have a man give birth to an 8 pound baby, and ... frazzled Dec 2013 #18
Yes. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #29
Pain tolerance is definitely in women's favor in lots of ways. scheming daemons Dec 2013 #37
Did you conduct research on pain tolerance in women vs. men? Pitagoras Dec 2013 #131
If men had the tools to have babies, they would have babies, like women do Pitagoras Dec 2013 #119
Oh, gee, I didn't realize that frazzled Dec 2013 #129
Yeah, men are defective and lacking in that way. Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #185
i gave birth to a food "baby" once FatBuddy Dec 2013 #120
Shoot, forget the labor pains. Have a man have one really good menstrual cramp Number23 Dec 2013 #205
In Soviet Russia Woman kick Man Ass snooper2 Dec 2013 #20
Of course LittleBlue Dec 2013 #21
Define "weaker." Demoiselle Dec 2013 #22
physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #25
No man has been able to beat that specific man's world record in power-lifting over his head, either cyberswede Dec 2013 #93
No, I am comparing the men and womens world records in all powerlifting categories quinnox Dec 2013 #112
I suppose you must think that Chinese biology has changed substantially over the past three decades Chathamization Dec 2013 #150
I don't think she would KamaAina Dec 2013 #26
Then she would be an absolute idiot cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #31
How well would she do against you? KamaAina Dec 2013 #35
And the point of that is? cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #48
Well, we're both men, amirite? KamaAina Dec 2013 #56
Careful, mediocre means he can make many mistakes. Rex Dec 2013 #42
Mediocre male boxers would physically kill her.... Be serious scheming daemons Dec 2013 #34
Mediocre male boxer would end up getting knocked out. Rex Dec 2013 #45
mediocre - "of only moderate quality" cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #79
But she is not of moderate quality, that championship belt Rex Dec 2013 #86
Was the 55 year old, 15 years retired Bobby Riggs a "moderate" tennis player? EOTE Dec 2013 #99
Hey I am still surprised Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson. Rex Dec 2013 #127
You might like this 4Q2u2 Dec 2013 #244
This one is just funny 4Q2u2 Dec 2013 #247
A mediocre male boxer of her weight? She'd KO him in seconds Recursion Dec 2013 #74
Don't even go there Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #82
Have any scientific data to back that up? EOTE Dec 2013 #103
I have years of studying multiple close combat forms Recursion Dec 2013 #195
So that's a huge no. EOTE Dec 2013 #224
Since when are strikes about muscle strength? Recursion Dec 2013 #226
You really don't understand this at all. EOTE Dec 2013 #228
LOL Recursion Dec 2013 #231
If your sensei is TRULY telling you this ridiculousness rather than you just making it up... EOTE Dec 2013 #236
Utter nonsense. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #109
every sensei I've had has said the opposite Recursion Dec 2013 #196
Where did I invoke upper body strength or "big shoulders?" Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #235
That's the real joke: you completely missed my point Recursion Dec 2013 #240
Nope. I missed nothing. Seems you can't say the same. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #246
But... but... YOUTUBE! EOTE Dec 2013 #250
Elite male athletes are stronger than elite female athletes. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #105
Women have the biological advantage mainer Dec 2013 #27
+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #211
Big deal. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #30
Greater muscle mass means more physical strength.... It isn't really debatable. scheming daemons Dec 2013 #32
Thank you, I honestly don't understand why this statement gets any resistance quinnox Dec 2013 #40
Because its PC to go along with the construct LordGlenconner Dec 2013 #148
Ok, so lets determine what area men excel in, and define that as "strength" bhikkhu Dec 2013 #180
No! Because it is not true! JDPriestly Dec 2013 #216
no mercuryblues Dec 2013 #254
I think it would be helpful to delineate what part of the anatomy you had in mind. Sheepshank Dec 2013 #38
physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #44
probably not Sheepshank Dec 2013 #52
Correct, and I have already looked it up. In all power-lifting categories, the mens record is quinnox Dec 2013 #57
but how does that create a 21st century advantage? What's the point? Sheepshank Dec 2013 #60
You mean pure physical strength? Rex Dec 2013 #39
Undeniable? What percentage of the male population can outlift this woman then - bhikkhu Dec 2013 #175
I said the population at large, you just showed an example of an exception. Rex Dec 2013 #191
Men are strong, women are not bhikkhu Dec 2013 #198
Some. It's a matter of distribution. Xithras Dec 2013 #41
Thank you. nt LisaLynne Dec 2013 #47
+1. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #64
Almost no men could ever match the weightlifting records of women Chathamization Dec 2013 #43
Almost no women could match them, either Orrex Dec 2013 #51
Correct, so why bring up potential thresholds that will apply to almost no one? N/T Chathamization Dec 2013 #144
So everyone can take credit for the hard work of a few bhikkhu Dec 2013 #261
What do you mean by weaker? intaglio Dec 2013 #53
Physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #58
Would a normal man be able to match the female record for power lifting? intaglio Dec 2013 #152
I think with the proper nutrition and weight training, a woman can be every bit as liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #55
I can't imagine the relevance of a disparity of foot-pounds per square inch LanternWaste Dec 2013 #59
The question is so poorly stated it can't be answered. nolabear Dec 2013 #61
The question is very straightforward and clear quinnox Dec 2013 #63
let me ask again: what is your point? seriously, so what? cali Dec 2013 #68
I see you already gave the correct answer that yes, it is true quinnox Dec 2013 #70
Why do you think the percentage of male infants who survive is lower? nolabear Dec 2013 #91
+1 cyberswede Dec 2013 #98
because men and women are biologically different Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #132
Exactly. Men are better at some things, women at others. nolabear Dec 2013 #139
would you agree that women are more verbal than men? I'm talking science here. cali Dec 2013 #69
If you mean they 'chatter' more (and I doubt you do), I'd disagree with that. randome Dec 2013 #73
A trained woman can punch harder and wrestle better Recursion Dec 2013 #71
You said this up thread earlier. Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #88
Why are you pitting a woman against a professional male fighter? Rex Dec 2013 #95
Can't happen Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #100
So you completey discount experience in the ring Rex Dec 2013 #117
What's really funny is he didn't noticed I dodged the OP's question Recursion Dec 2013 #199
Look Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #257
You're underestimating weight class Recursion Dec 2013 #194
You're underestimating logic and knowledge. EOTE Dec 2013 #267
Which is why inter-gender boxing and wrestling are so common and popular. EOTE Dec 2013 #106
Most dojos I've been in only consider weight Recursion Dec 2013 #197
Sparring is one thing. EOTE Dec 2013 #225
Yeah, the male is going to end up on his ass in that case. Recursion Dec 2013 #227
I do know what both look like. EOTE Dec 2013 #229
It would be a massacre and would result in death if there was no intervention. EOTE Dec 2013 #230
You're hilarious Recursion Dec 2013 #234
Go on. Show me just ONE link or video. EOTE Dec 2013 #237
There are like five youtube channels of this Recursion Dec 2013 #243
Way to dodge there, champ. EOTE Dec 2013 #248
No one's claiming women can never win such fights. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #249
Depends on the form, again Recursion Dec 2013 #251
You said that women of the same size can hit much harder than men. That's bullshit. EOTE Dec 2013 #255
Sure they can. Recursion Dec 2013 #263
Not the brightest one. EOTE Dec 2013 #265
Have you ever even thrown a punch? Recursion Dec 2013 #266
Quite a few, actually. EOTE Dec 2013 #269
Google Kathy Long for starters Recursion Dec 2013 #270
Wow is this getting stupid. EOTE Dec 2013 #272
He's also absolutely correct. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #242
Exactly. Technique trumps raw physical power any day of the week. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #253
Women, the weaker sex? Shadowflash Dec 2013 #72
ALL women weaker than ALL men? Matariki Dec 2013 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Dec 2013 #77
Marine Corps moondust Dec 2013 #78
Why would any intelligent woman want to join the Marines? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #217
Why do intelligent men join the Corps? Recursion Dec 2013 #238
Inferiority complex. They want to prove they are better than others. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #276
My mom was in the marines bhikkhu Dec 2013 #262
Did she pass the physical tests that the other DUer mentioned? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #275
She wasn't in infantry, but had to do all the regular boot camp things bhikkhu Dec 2013 #278
I believe they have been targets so much in history by men ohheckyeah Dec 2013 #80
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #87
Agree. It's not a hill I would choose to die on though. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #89
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #160
lamebait. Whisp Dec 2013 #90
Thank you. nt TBF Dec 2013 #96
Re-lig-on…to natural selection.. Tikki Dec 2013 #92
It depends on whether you're talking about short-term muscle power, pnwmom Dec 2013 #97
In general, most men have the ability to overpower most women if they want gollygee Dec 2013 #108
9/10 - amusing thread Dash87 Dec 2013 #110
Which women and which men? MineralMan Dec 2013 #111
I am not referring to individuals, but in general terms quinnox Dec 2013 #118
General statements are generally incorrect. MineralMan Dec 2013 #125
Not this one. quinnox Dec 2013 #128
You can point to anything you like. MineralMan Dec 2013 #130
Have you ever heard of sexual dimorphism? Bonobo Dec 2013 #193
Of course I have, and yes, there is a certain amount of it MineralMan Dec 2013 #222
THE STUPID HAS ACHIEVED THE SUBLIME WilliamPitt Dec 2013 #113
Sublime? No way, the stupid is barreling down the road w/ the radio on full blast and a subwoofer FSogol Dec 2013 #115
And the funniest part? cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #167
True dat! n/t FSogol Dec 2013 #221
Mmm lime Dash87 Dec 2013 #123
Sublime needs Clever. This has no clever. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #135
Enough. Iggo Dec 2013 #116
lol, you forgot to say "trashing the thread!" quinnox Dec 2013 #121
No I didn't. Iggo Dec 2013 #122
Who needs butter? Get it while you can folks! Initech Dec 2013 #126
In what way do you think Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #134
Ok, the full story behind this quinnox Dec 2013 #136
And yet you wonder then why many people react as such to an insincere question? LanternWaste Dec 2013 #147
It's the list of whom you consider "weak" gollygee Dec 2013 #149
For most of human history, women HAVE been "weaker" in that sense. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #153
so you lied in the OP, about your intentions. Awesome. bettyellen Dec 2013 #156
If you're ever stuck in the wilderness and someone needs to go for help..... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2013 #138
Gawd Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #140
Let's ask these two gentlemen Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #141
on a group level, yes. individual variance exists. my wife is stronger than most men her size. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #142
Let me correct that post for you... alp227 Dec 2013 #143
+1. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #145
Well, I think your attempts at rewriting the OP fail, and it is not misogynistic to state scientific quinnox Dec 2013 #146
all the racist and homophobic researchers of the last one hundred years would agree with you on this bettyellen Dec 2013 #154
+1 TDale313 Dec 2013 #162
Why indeed? Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #252
Only when it comes to the anatomy of muscles. polichick Dec 2013 #151
Sad to say, one has to actually define "weaker" before expecting a valid answer. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #155
When I see a 5’ mother with a heavy toddler asleep on her shoulder and another year old child on her AlinPA Dec 2013 #157
Hmmmm, how many men do you know that can give birth? lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #158
Some men are weak, some women are. Some women are strong, so are some men. we can do it Dec 2013 #161
I'm of a matriarchal family. hunter Dec 2013 #163
Flamebait, pure and simple. TDale313 Dec 2013 #164
notice mercuryblues Dec 2013 #165
I think you have to go back several thousand years BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #166
It depends on what you mean by weaker. Vague criteria are a bad sign for "science." LeftyMom Dec 2013 #168
Physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #170
Those are still insufficiently specific. Do you mean a specific task? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #171
At a basic level, like this statement - "most males are taller and stronger than females" quinnox Dec 2013 #173
But that's a very incomplete summary of sexual dimorphism. Women tend to have greater endurance LeftyMom Dec 2013 #178
sure, it is just one factor, but that is what I focused on in my OP quinnox Dec 2013 #179
IT's always "scientific." treestar Dec 2013 #241
It depends on the person bhikkhu Dec 2013 #172
Why has this not been locked? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #174
Yup. It is an evolved trait, like many others -both physical and psychological. Bonobo Dec 2013 #176
Exactly. Human evolution science is very clear on this point quinnox Dec 2013 #177
Take a course in biology before acting like you understand evolution MattBaggins Dec 2013 #186
I have taken many and I do understand it. Bonobo Dec 2013 #188
if the question is whether the average man can beat the average woman in an arm wrestle, then yes. Vattel Dec 2013 #181
Slow news day today? LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #183
lol quinnox Dec 2013 #184
mrs grantcart informs me that the answer to this questions is "No". grantcart Dec 2013 #187
heh, well that settles it then! quinnox Dec 2013 #189
In a complex world I appreciate referring such complicating questions to her, saves time grantcart Dec 2013 #190
Sounds good to me! If only all the worlds problems were this easy. quinnox Dec 2013 #192
Depends what you mean by "weaker." Deep13 Dec 2013 #201
men know that nothing they do tops giving birth to another human being Skittles Dec 2013 #202
And they live longer than us too. Deep13 Dec 2013 #203
I am not diminishing men's role in society Skittles Dec 2013 #204
I'm describing, not making value judgments. Deep13 Dec 2013 #206
You should make the face palm smiley your avatar Number23 Dec 2013 #207
Really says it all Number 23. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #256
If anything you've made the case in a bizarre way that men are smarter than women, more MillennialDem Dec 2013 #209
MM, I think this is a typo in your post: tblue37 Jul 2014 #279
Biologically? LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #212
Depends on how your measure weakness and strength. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #213
Depends on how you're measuring. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #219
No, I would not agree. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2013 #220
Physically, yes. LWolf Dec 2013 #223
Depends on the individual treestar Dec 2013 #232
Not my wife. pangaia Dec 2013 #233
Yes, they are weaker fadedrose Dec 2013 #239
Physically, some women have less strength than some men. But that's not the answer to your 2nd Fla Dem Dec 2013 #245
Why do men die violently more often than women do? (nt) Recursion Dec 2013 #264
a small yes Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #268
No, just different. Myrina Dec 2013 #271
I'm really not saying anything here that is controversial. Here is a science article that explains quinnox Dec 2013 #273
I love how pro-science DU can't bother to link to any science in this entire thread mathematic Dec 2013 #274
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