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In reply to the discussion: JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination' [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)164. BFEE Motto: Take the cash and avoid the blame.
Robert F. Kennedy saw conspiracy in JFKs assassination
By Bryan Bender and Neil Swidey
BOSTON GLOBE STAFF NOVEMBER 24, 2013
Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy was sitting at his backyard patio table, clutching a tuna fish sandwich, when the call came through. Kennedy had spent the morning at a Justice Department conference on his intensifying war against organized crime. He had invited two of his employees from New York, US Attorney Robert Morgenthau and an aide, back to his sprawling home, Hickory Hill in McLean, Va., to continue the conversation over a private lunch.
SNIP...
The newly released RFK papers contain an interesting postscript to all the cloak-and-dagger activity around Cuba. A secret CIA report entitled Staying power of the Castro regime concluded that the chances of a successful overthrow were slim. However, that report was written in the summer of 1964. In the months leading up to Dallas, acceptance of this idea had been far less widespread, especially among the people who most loathed Robert Kennedy, and, with him, his brother Jack.
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Still, if the killing of the president was, as some suspect, a conspiracy to neutralize his brother, why wouldnt the conspirators have simply gone after Bobby? Wouldnt that have been a lot easier, especially since the president had the Secret Service protecting him and the attorney general traveled unprotected, even famously leaving the front door of Hickory Hill unlocked?
It is all a matter of speculation, but there could have been a very practical explanation for a more circuitous path. If Bobby had been assassinated, historians point out, his brother could have been expected to marshal every ounce of his prodigious federal power to exact revenge on the murderers and their benefactors. And because the victim would not just be the countrys crusading attorney general but also the presidents brother, the public would have surely given Jack Kennedy a blank check of support for a crackdown on whatever dark forces he determined were responsible.
David Kaiser revealed in The Road To Dallas that prior to the assassination Marcello had been overheard fingering RFK as the main obstacle to his mob business that needed to be removed. After moaning about Bobbys persecution of him, Marcello uttered the Sicilian curse Take this stone from my shoe, and then concluded that theyd need to kill Jack to get to Bobby. If they went after Bobby directly, he allegedly said, they could expect the president to unleash the Marines on them.
Government documents released in the 1990s also indicate that decades later Marcello confessed to being part of JFKs murder to a prison cellmate, who was also an FBI informant working on an undercover operation.
Few people have as intimate knowledge of the contours of the assassination files as Rex Bradford. From his perch in Ipswich, Mass., Bradford is curator of a vast digitized archive of nearly 1 million documents, maintained by the nonprofit Mary Ferrell Foundation. Although he takes no public position on who killed Kennedy, Bradford says many of the newly released documents strengthen the hypothesis that hard-line intelligence people, hard-liners on Cuba were somehow involved in the assassination, with mob people tied into that same milieu.
But for him and many other serious people who have carefully studied the possibility of an assassination plot, connecting theories of tough characters with the motive to kill Kennedy to the reality of Lee Harvey Oswald in the window of the Texas School Book Depository has been elusive. Oswald, a failure at just about everything he tried and hardly an expert marksman, is no ones idea of the kind of man one would pick for the vanguard of such a plot.
If certain Cuban exiles and Cold War hard-liners had dreamed of a domino effect in which Castro was blamed for JFKs murder, precipitating an American invasion of Cuba, that never happened, of course. Nonetheless, all the back-channel efforts at peace quickly withered. New President Lyndon Johnson, insecure in his command of foreign affairs and lacking the credibility Kennedy had won by successfully staring down Khrushchev, was not about to risk being seen as weak against Communists in Havana or Moscow especially with an election less than a year away.
As for the mobsters, they could finally exhale. One week after Dallas, according to Kaiser, gangster Sam Giancana was caught on tape in a Chicago lounge saying, This is going to take the heat off us. The FBIs focus, he said, would be on Castro-sympathizing leftists for some time.
Jimmy Hoffa is said to have crowed to reporters in Nashville, Bobby Kennedy is just another lawyer now.
CONTINUED...
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/11/24/his-brother-keeper-robert-kennedy-saw-conspiracy-jfk-assassination/TmZ0nfKsB34p69LWUBgsEJ/story.html
PS: Thanks for pointing out those parts, hoot. There is more than enough information -- just with the Mafia-CIA assassination plots -- to send these bastards still alive to gaol. The fact the media ignore stories like the two above show the corrupt, fascist nature of the gangster police state, just like George Orwell and Sinclair Lewis observed it becoming. Every voice that stands up to be heard hastens the day...
By Bryan Bender and Neil Swidey
BOSTON GLOBE STAFF NOVEMBER 24, 2013
Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy was sitting at his backyard patio table, clutching a tuna fish sandwich, when the call came through. Kennedy had spent the morning at a Justice Department conference on his intensifying war against organized crime. He had invited two of his employees from New York, US Attorney Robert Morgenthau and an aide, back to his sprawling home, Hickory Hill in McLean, Va., to continue the conversation over a private lunch.
SNIP...
The newly released RFK papers contain an interesting postscript to all the cloak-and-dagger activity around Cuba. A secret CIA report entitled Staying power of the Castro regime concluded that the chances of a successful overthrow were slim. However, that report was written in the summer of 1964. In the months leading up to Dallas, acceptance of this idea had been far less widespread, especially among the people who most loathed Robert Kennedy, and, with him, his brother Jack.
***
Still, if the killing of the president was, as some suspect, a conspiracy to neutralize his brother, why wouldnt the conspirators have simply gone after Bobby? Wouldnt that have been a lot easier, especially since the president had the Secret Service protecting him and the attorney general traveled unprotected, even famously leaving the front door of Hickory Hill unlocked?
It is all a matter of speculation, but there could have been a very practical explanation for a more circuitous path. If Bobby had been assassinated, historians point out, his brother could have been expected to marshal every ounce of his prodigious federal power to exact revenge on the murderers and their benefactors. And because the victim would not just be the countrys crusading attorney general but also the presidents brother, the public would have surely given Jack Kennedy a blank check of support for a crackdown on whatever dark forces he determined were responsible.
David Kaiser revealed in The Road To Dallas that prior to the assassination Marcello had been overheard fingering RFK as the main obstacle to his mob business that needed to be removed. After moaning about Bobbys persecution of him, Marcello uttered the Sicilian curse Take this stone from my shoe, and then concluded that theyd need to kill Jack to get to Bobby. If they went after Bobby directly, he allegedly said, they could expect the president to unleash the Marines on them.
Government documents released in the 1990s also indicate that decades later Marcello confessed to being part of JFKs murder to a prison cellmate, who was also an FBI informant working on an undercover operation.
Few people have as intimate knowledge of the contours of the assassination files as Rex Bradford. From his perch in Ipswich, Mass., Bradford is curator of a vast digitized archive of nearly 1 million documents, maintained by the nonprofit Mary Ferrell Foundation. Although he takes no public position on who killed Kennedy, Bradford says many of the newly released documents strengthen the hypothesis that hard-line intelligence people, hard-liners on Cuba were somehow involved in the assassination, with mob people tied into that same milieu.
But for him and many other serious people who have carefully studied the possibility of an assassination plot, connecting theories of tough characters with the motive to kill Kennedy to the reality of Lee Harvey Oswald in the window of the Texas School Book Depository has been elusive. Oswald, a failure at just about everything he tried and hardly an expert marksman, is no ones idea of the kind of man one would pick for the vanguard of such a plot.
If certain Cuban exiles and Cold War hard-liners had dreamed of a domino effect in which Castro was blamed for JFKs murder, precipitating an American invasion of Cuba, that never happened, of course. Nonetheless, all the back-channel efforts at peace quickly withered. New President Lyndon Johnson, insecure in his command of foreign affairs and lacking the credibility Kennedy had won by successfully staring down Khrushchev, was not about to risk being seen as weak against Communists in Havana or Moscow especially with an election less than a year away.
As for the mobsters, they could finally exhale. One week after Dallas, according to Kaiser, gangster Sam Giancana was caught on tape in a Chicago lounge saying, This is going to take the heat off us. The FBIs focus, he said, would be on Castro-sympathizing leftists for some time.
Jimmy Hoffa is said to have crowed to reporters in Nashville, Bobby Kennedy is just another lawyer now.
CONTINUED...
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/11/24/his-brother-keeper-robert-kennedy-saw-conspiracy-jfk-assassination/TmZ0nfKsB34p69LWUBgsEJ/story.html
PS: Thanks for pointing out those parts, hoot. There is more than enough information -- just with the Mafia-CIA assassination plots -- to send these bastards still alive to gaol. The fact the media ignore stories like the two above show the corrupt, fascist nature of the gangster police state, just like George Orwell and Sinclair Lewis observed it becoming. Every voice that stands up to be heard hastens the day...
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JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination' [View all]
Octafish
Nov 2013
OP
I think Obama may be facing the same kind of opposition and a lot of things are beyond
kelliekat44
Nov 2013
#1
Omg! I knew a little about this, but like so many others, found it hard to process. But if we are
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#71
Allen Dulles and JCS chairman Lemnitzer told JFK the best time to attack USSR was 'Fall 1963'
Octafish
Nov 2013
#20
A lot of people probably don't know this major policy speech President Kennedy gave...
Historic NY
Nov 2013
#98
I wasnt referring to you. I clearly said that I was not accusing you. I dont even know
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#18
I don't know. That's why I want to see ALL the government's JFK records opened.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#17
No one at Duquesne expressed condescension and bullying to those with opposing views.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#50
The problem isn't what I know or can can prove. The problem is CIA and secret government.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#61
"This takes me back to the good old days in the old 911 forum. Truthers had reams of "evidence" too.
dotymed
Nov 2013
#80
You are right in a way. Who it would not draw are authoritarian personalities who are
GoneFishin
Nov 2013
#101
J. Edgar Hoover told LBJ that the Oswald in Mexico City wasn't the same guy in Dallas jail.
Zen Democrat
Nov 2013
#52
No No No. The FBI Director told POTUS that they had video and voice recordings of the man
Zen Democrat
Nov 2013
#131
R#6 & K saluting the inimitable, indefatigable Octafish, gratitude for what he brings here
UTUSN
Nov 2013
#8
Actually it's reality going back to Walter Jenkin's 29 November 1963 memo to LBJ
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#49
To go along with the LBJ plan, which was to keep the USA from going to war with the USSR.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#81
Why would Katzenbach send this memo to Bill Moyers, before any of the facts were in?
Mc Mike
Nov 2013
#83
Thanks McMike. That memo is testament that the government was interested in Oswald being framed
avaistheone1
Nov 2013
#116
Eisenhower and Smedley Butler Warned us about the MIC and Intelligence agencies.
dballance
Nov 2013
#12
David Slawson, Warren Commission investigator, tried to warn us and was told to zip it...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#104
''The younger Dulles saw no separation between his business and the country's business.''
Octafish
Nov 2013
#107
The JFK assassination was a very important event in all our lives. Thank you for your reports.
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#14
Dulles assassinated a political ally of President Kennedy three days before JFK's inaugural.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#113
I second robertpaulsen's remarks of praise to you Octofish and extend to rhettorick
2banon
Nov 2013
#118
after the big 'stinks' caused by assassinations with guns, they discovered small plane crashes
certainot
Nov 2013
#21
to many preventive 'accidents', and until people quit calling 'tinfoil' every time, it will continue
certainot
Nov 2013
#145
i remember that. there used to be a list of these 'airplane accidents' at unknownnews.net by cheryl
certainot
Nov 2013
#146
A key procedural thing is that there was no advocate for the truth in these proceedings
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#141
You forgot your links to the Warren Report, you know, the source in question.
GoneFishin
Dec 2013
#157
Okay then, let's presume for just a moment that the conspiracy version is correct.
Spider Jerusalem
Dec 2013
#158
There was a hole in the windshield, and we don't know about his left brain because it disappeared nt
GoneFishin
Dec 2013
#168
The investigation of Bobby Baker would have involved not only LBJ, but RFK, Hoover and JFK
mc51tc
Nov 2013
#48
Wait a minute. So, according to you, this "Bobby picked Dulles" crap is based on ...
Zen Democrat
Nov 2013
#53
LBJ said in 1969, after leaving office, that he always suspected a conspiracy.
Zen Democrat
Nov 2013
#129
May light be shone in every crook and cranny until the truth, the whole truth triumphs
indepat
Nov 2013
#39
Confirming imo 'pukes will do whatever is necessary to gain and retain control, a clear and
indepat
Dec 2013
#160
''Dulles had even less respect for Jack Kennedy's authority than he did for FDR's.''
Octafish
Dec 2013
#165
The recent Rolling Stone article by RFK JR., is very enlightening as to his brother's
maddiemom
Nov 2013
#76
The Oligarchs And Corporations Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us
cantbeserious
Nov 2013
#90
K&R + some more informative links (Thank you-your DU journal and BFEE series is among the best when
bobthedrummer
Nov 2013
#108
Thank you, bobthedrummer! Here are the posts on the sad anniversary and the Duquesne Conference...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#140
US News & World Report asked Sabato and 5 other academics: 'Was it a conspiracy?'
Octafish
Dec 2013
#174
So, apart from insults for his critics, you've nothing to say about Allen Dulles?
Octafish
Nov 2013
#152