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In reply to the discussion: JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination' [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)165. ''Dulles had even less respect for Jack Kennedy's authority than he did for FDR's.''
Talbot's book is going to be literary dynamite. More of what he said at Duquesne...
...Dulles had even less respect for Jack Kennedy's authority than he did for FDR's.
After he was fired from the CIA by Kennedy, Dulles continued to meet with a steady stream of top- and mid-level CIA officials at his home in Georgetown. The two-story brick house on Q-Street became the seat of a sort of government in exile.
Among those Dulles remained in contact with were a number of CIA officials who later came under suspicion for the assassination of President Kennedy, including Jim Angleton and many of his aides, (including) Bill Harvey and Howard Hunt. Over the years, Harvey in particular has aroused strong suspicions.
John Whitten, the CIA official who was originally charged with the agency's investigation of the (John F.) Kennedy assassination, would later tell the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978 that Harvey was a likely suspect in the case. Robert Blakey, the committee's chief counsel, and his investigator, Dan Hardway, came to share these suspicions about Harvey, but their investigation
ran out of political support and money before it could be completed.
Dulles gave Bill Harvey the CIA's highest medal and its most murderous assignments, including the Mafia hit or attempted hit against Castro. Bill Harvey was a creature of Allen Dulles' lawless and lethal CIA, a culture that operated with little governmental oversight and little respect for international law.
It was the kind of unhinged environment, where a man like Harvey could seriously propose recruiting mafia hit men, while on duty overseas, to kill members of a left-wing, democratic party, and then draw a gun on one of his own deputies, when the deputy objected on moral and legal grounds. It was the deputy, by the way, who was withdrawn back to Langley, and not Harvey, whose CIA career kept careening out of control for several more years.
Allen Dulles continued to meet with a variety of other sketchy characters when he was in so-called retirement in 1962 and 1963, including (with) Cuban exile leader Paulino Sierra Martinez, who was closely tied in with the Mafia. Dulles also met with -- thank you, Joan Mellen, for this -- also met with Philippe de Vosjoli, the head of French intelligence in Washington and a close associate of Jim Angleton. Dulles asked de Vosjoli to investigate the placement of Soviet missiles in Cuba and report back to the CIA.
Now these are the activities not of a man who has gracefully accepted retirement and is puttering around his garden. This is the calendar of a man who still thinks he is running the show.
Allen Dulles himself makes another curious appearance in the Kennedy story in spite of his so-called retirement. In the fall of 1963, he went on a promotional tour for his memoire, "The Craft of Intelligence, stopping over in Dallas for two days at the end of October.
On that fateful Friday, November 22nd, 1963, Dulles interrupted his book tour when he got the news
from Dallas. Thank you, Lisa Pease for this: Dulles did not go home when he heard the news. According to his own day calendar, Dulles went to something called the Farm.
I wanted to make sure the Farm was not a family retreat. I interviewed people close to Dulles, including his own daughter; and she had never heard of the Farm. But, the Farm we know was the term given (to) a secure CIA facility located on the Camp Perry Military Reservation near Williamsburg, Virginia.
In 1972, a local newspapar reported that the cia used the facility to, among other things, train assassins.
So, even though he had no longer -- he no longer had any official reason to be there, Dulles spent the entire weekend (of the assassination) at the CIA's facility, the farm.
During that eventful weekend, of course, Kennedy's body was flown back to Washington and subjected to a controversial autopsy. That same weekend, Jack Ruby, a Dallas nightclub operator and hustler, whom Robert Kennedy's Justice Department investigators quickly connected to the Mafia, shot down accused JFK assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, conveniently silencing him forever. And throughout that fateful weekend, the grief stricken Attorney General made a series of frantic inquiries into the murder of his brother.
We know from the nature of these inquiries that Bobby Kennedy immediately suspected his brother was the victim of the CIA and the Mafia, the intelligence agency's junior partner in the murder business.
in other words, Robert Kennedy, the nation's top lawman and the president's devoted protector, a man who had spent much of his own life investigating the dark side of American power, immediately concluded that his brother had been the victim of the same CIA killing machine that had been directed at Fidel Castro and other world leaders deemed trouble.
This machine, built by Allen Dulles in the 1950s, had essentially been brought home to kill the President of the United States. It was a killing machine comprised of contract assassins, cut-outs, underworld operators and other unsavory types and overseen by the Ivy League swashbucklers whom Dulles had recruited to enforce U.S. interests around the world...
PS: There's a ton more from the presentation, including stuff from three of the people Talbot thanked or mentioned, but I have had little time of late. I promise to keep you and DU posted, Judi Lynn. Thank you for the kind words. Your friendship over the years means the world to me.
...Dulles had even less respect for Jack Kennedy's authority than he did for FDR's.
After he was fired from the CIA by Kennedy, Dulles continued to meet with a steady stream of top- and mid-level CIA officials at his home in Georgetown. The two-story brick house on Q-Street became the seat of a sort of government in exile.
Among those Dulles remained in contact with were a number of CIA officials who later came under suspicion for the assassination of President Kennedy, including Jim Angleton and many of his aides, (including) Bill Harvey and Howard Hunt. Over the years, Harvey in particular has aroused strong suspicions.
John Whitten, the CIA official who was originally charged with the agency's investigation of the (John F.) Kennedy assassination, would later tell the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978 that Harvey was a likely suspect in the case. Robert Blakey, the committee's chief counsel, and his investigator, Dan Hardway, came to share these suspicions about Harvey, but their investigation
ran out of political support and money before it could be completed.
Dulles gave Bill Harvey the CIA's highest medal and its most murderous assignments, including the Mafia hit or attempted hit against Castro. Bill Harvey was a creature of Allen Dulles' lawless and lethal CIA, a culture that operated with little governmental oversight and little respect for international law.
It was the kind of unhinged environment, where a man like Harvey could seriously propose recruiting mafia hit men, while on duty overseas, to kill members of a left-wing, democratic party, and then draw a gun on one of his own deputies, when the deputy objected on moral and legal grounds. It was the deputy, by the way, who was withdrawn back to Langley, and not Harvey, whose CIA career kept careening out of control for several more years.
Allen Dulles continued to meet with a variety of other sketchy characters when he was in so-called retirement in 1962 and 1963, including (with) Cuban exile leader Paulino Sierra Martinez, who was closely tied in with the Mafia. Dulles also met with -- thank you, Joan Mellen, for this -- also met with Philippe de Vosjoli, the head of French intelligence in Washington and a close associate of Jim Angleton. Dulles asked de Vosjoli to investigate the placement of Soviet missiles in Cuba and report back to the CIA.
Now these are the activities not of a man who has gracefully accepted retirement and is puttering around his garden. This is the calendar of a man who still thinks he is running the show.
Allen Dulles himself makes another curious appearance in the Kennedy story in spite of his so-called retirement. In the fall of 1963, he went on a promotional tour for his memoire, "The Craft of Intelligence, stopping over in Dallas for two days at the end of October.
On that fateful Friday, November 22nd, 1963, Dulles interrupted his book tour when he got the news
from Dallas. Thank you, Lisa Pease for this: Dulles did not go home when he heard the news. According to his own day calendar, Dulles went to something called the Farm.
I wanted to make sure the Farm was not a family retreat. I interviewed people close to Dulles, including his own daughter; and she had never heard of the Farm. But, the Farm we know was the term given (to) a secure CIA facility located on the Camp Perry Military Reservation near Williamsburg, Virginia.
In 1972, a local newspapar reported that the cia used the facility to, among other things, train assassins.
So, even though he had no longer -- he no longer had any official reason to be there, Dulles spent the entire weekend (of the assassination) at the CIA's facility, the farm.
During that eventful weekend, of course, Kennedy's body was flown back to Washington and subjected to a controversial autopsy. That same weekend, Jack Ruby, a Dallas nightclub operator and hustler, whom Robert Kennedy's Justice Department investigators quickly connected to the Mafia, shot down accused JFK assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, conveniently silencing him forever. And throughout that fateful weekend, the grief stricken Attorney General made a series of frantic inquiries into the murder of his brother.
We know from the nature of these inquiries that Bobby Kennedy immediately suspected his brother was the victim of the CIA and the Mafia, the intelligence agency's junior partner in the murder business.
in other words, Robert Kennedy, the nation's top lawman and the president's devoted protector, a man who had spent much of his own life investigating the dark side of American power, immediately concluded that his brother had been the victim of the same CIA killing machine that had been directed at Fidel Castro and other world leaders deemed trouble.
This machine, built by Allen Dulles in the 1950s, had essentially been brought home to kill the President of the United States. It was a killing machine comprised of contract assassins, cut-outs, underworld operators and other unsavory types and overseen by the Ivy League swashbucklers whom Dulles had recruited to enforce U.S. interests around the world...
PS: There's a ton more from the presentation, including stuff from three of the people Talbot thanked or mentioned, but I have had little time of late. I promise to keep you and DU posted, Judi Lynn. Thank you for the kind words. Your friendship over the years means the world to me.
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JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination' [View all]
Octafish
Nov 2013
OP
I think Obama may be facing the same kind of opposition and a lot of things are beyond
kelliekat44
Nov 2013
#1
Omg! I knew a little about this, but like so many others, found it hard to process. But if we are
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#71
Allen Dulles and JCS chairman Lemnitzer told JFK the best time to attack USSR was 'Fall 1963'
Octafish
Nov 2013
#20
A lot of people probably don't know this major policy speech President Kennedy gave...
Historic NY
Nov 2013
#98
I wasnt referring to you. I clearly said that I was not accusing you. I dont even know
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#18
I don't know. That's why I want to see ALL the government's JFK records opened.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#17
No one at Duquesne expressed condescension and bullying to those with opposing views.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#50
The problem isn't what I know or can can prove. The problem is CIA and secret government.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#61
"This takes me back to the good old days in the old 911 forum. Truthers had reams of "evidence" too.
dotymed
Nov 2013
#80
You are right in a way. Who it would not draw are authoritarian personalities who are
GoneFishin
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#101
J. Edgar Hoover told LBJ that the Oswald in Mexico City wasn't the same guy in Dallas jail.
Zen Democrat
Nov 2013
#52
No No No. The FBI Director told POTUS that they had video and voice recordings of the man
Zen Democrat
Nov 2013
#131
R#6 & K saluting the inimitable, indefatigable Octafish, gratitude for what he brings here
UTUSN
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#8
Actually it's reality going back to Walter Jenkin's 29 November 1963 memo to LBJ
Bolo Boffin
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#49
To go along with the LBJ plan, which was to keep the USA from going to war with the USSR.
Octafish
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#81
Why would Katzenbach send this memo to Bill Moyers, before any of the facts were in?
Mc Mike
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#83
Thanks McMike. That memo is testament that the government was interested in Oswald being framed
avaistheone1
Nov 2013
#116
Eisenhower and Smedley Butler Warned us about the MIC and Intelligence agencies.
dballance
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#12
David Slawson, Warren Commission investigator, tried to warn us and was told to zip it...
Octafish
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#104
''The younger Dulles saw no separation between his business and the country's business.''
Octafish
Nov 2013
#107
The JFK assassination was a very important event in all our lives. Thank you for your reports.
rhett o rick
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#14
Dulles assassinated a political ally of President Kennedy three days before JFK's inaugural.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#113
I second robertpaulsen's remarks of praise to you Octofish and extend to rhettorick
2banon
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#118
after the big 'stinks' caused by assassinations with guns, they discovered small plane crashes
certainot
Nov 2013
#21
to many preventive 'accidents', and until people quit calling 'tinfoil' every time, it will continue
certainot
Nov 2013
#145
i remember that. there used to be a list of these 'airplane accidents' at unknownnews.net by cheryl
certainot
Nov 2013
#146
A key procedural thing is that there was no advocate for the truth in these proceedings
BlueStreak
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#141
You forgot your links to the Warren Report, you know, the source in question.
GoneFishin
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#157
Okay then, let's presume for just a moment that the conspiracy version is correct.
Spider Jerusalem
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#158
There was a hole in the windshield, and we don't know about his left brain because it disappeared nt
GoneFishin
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#168
The investigation of Bobby Baker would have involved not only LBJ, but RFK, Hoover and JFK
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Wait a minute. So, according to you, this "Bobby picked Dulles" crap is based on ...
Zen Democrat
Nov 2013
#53
LBJ said in 1969, after leaving office, that he always suspected a conspiracy.
Zen Democrat
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#129
May light be shone in every crook and cranny until the truth, the whole truth triumphs
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Confirming imo 'pukes will do whatever is necessary to gain and retain control, a clear and
indepat
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#160
''Dulles had even less respect for Jack Kennedy's authority than he did for FDR's.''
Octafish
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The recent Rolling Stone article by RFK JR., is very enlightening as to his brother's
maddiemom
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K&R + some more informative links (Thank you-your DU journal and BFEE series is among the best when
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Thank you, bobthedrummer! Here are the posts on the sad anniversary and the Duquesne Conference...
Octafish
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#140
US News & World Report asked Sabato and 5 other academics: 'Was it a conspiracy?'
Octafish
Dec 2013
#174
So, apart from insults for his critics, you've nothing to say about Allen Dulles?
Octafish
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