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Ms. Toad

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17. I'd suggest you change your subject line -

Reply to Humanist_Activist (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:45 PM

Dec 2013

since the only lines being quoted here (or that I can find) do not "attack same sex marriage," but I see you just copied it from the article.

I am not under any illusion that the pope believes that same sex marriages should be consecrated in the church - but it is really a stretch to call the lines being quoted an "attack on same sex marriage," especially when compared with prior very explicit statements on the subject.

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Pope Attacks Same-Sex Marriage In Historic Policy Statement [View all] Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 OP

Did he say same sex marriages are bad in the document? hrmjustin Dec 2013 #1

No, but he did make one actual reference to the fight. Xithras Dec 2013 #3

It used to get pages but now it gets just a line that can be seen as very weak. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #4

I don't see how, its the same type of language used by NOM and their ilk... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #5

I like to think he is changing but you are right to hold his feet to the fire. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #6

People always say he is changing his views, then fail to provide evidence for this. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #8

One might say that the few sentences on the subbject might be a sign that things might be changing. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #10

precisely nt arely staircase Dec 2013 #14

Not really, he's Pope now, when he was just a Cardinal, he got down and dirty... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #23

The RCC has many faults and the fact it is not democratic is one of them. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #48

The catholic Church will never change gerogie2 Dec 2013 #49

Of course you can not show us the 'pages' the others wrote, nor will you admit Francis' own Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #28

I left the RCC because I was told by Cardinal O'connor that I was going to burn in hell for being hrmjustin Dec 2013 #47

Yeah it seems pretty obvious gollygee Dec 2013 #9

"modified at will" does indeed sound like it's about divorce, Volaris Dec 2013 #24

He's supported civil partnerships in the past. Can you provide a link pnwmom Dec 2013 #20

Sure... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #25

I disagree leftynyc Dec 2013 #32

Here is some context, Francis is well known for his rants against equality for gay people. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #37

Spare me your sarcasm leftynyc Dec 2013 #42

In previous statements he claimed gay marriage was the work of the devil Major Nikon Dec 2013 #15

Yes I have seen them. I am hoping her is changing his mind. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #16

Hmm does it say that elsewhere in the document? Shivering Jemmy Dec 2013 #2

Why not read it? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #7

It doesn't say it. The article title, carried over here, Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #18

Marriage for life with as many children HockeyMom Dec 2013 #11

But he drives a Renault with 4930453458345 miles on it... Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #12

that is it? arely staircase Dec 2013 #13

I'd suggest you change your subject line - Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #17

Question, what traditional values does he want upheld that are mentioned in this document? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #19

And yet he has supported civil partnerships. That's a position far to the left pnwmom Dec 2013 #21

Actually, he called it the lesser of two evils, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #22

The point is that the document itself Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #27

There are a lot of assumptions around partial quotes, so I'm not convinced. Tigress DEM Dec 2013 #26

If you are going to tout his 'positive' quotes, you owe it to others to read the full screed Francis Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #30

While I think the pope and the RCC have a very long way to go, this article and it's title are cbayer Dec 2013 #29

Context provides his quotes saying gay people raising kids is 'discrimination against the children' Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #33

Agree that his history is not at all helpful in making the argument that there cbayer Dec 2013 #35

I think even the worst are capable of change, but I also think it is offensive to pretend such Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #38

Agree. There has been no change to date other than some change in tone. cbayer Dec 2013 #39

Thanks cbayer, for those words. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #41

There is no greater testament to the goodness of people than cbayer Dec 2013 #46

Misleading title, designed for the Anti-Pope crowd. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #31

I'd say it just bothers the anti gay crowd, for they love to hide their prejudices behind dogma Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #34

Got it. Pope is evil. Everyone that likes him is evil. Your a stanch defender of gay rights Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #36

Excuse me but I said no such thing. I stated facts, he is opposed to our rights Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #40

Wow. Umm who said you aren't equal? Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #43

Sacred? Not so much. Lawful? Yes fadedrose Dec 2013 #44

That's the pope I know!! Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #45