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Ms. Toad

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27. The point is that the document itself

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:31 AM

Dec 2013

does not say what the caption in the article or this thread says - and both are specific to what "this historic policy statement" says, and the statement itself does not attack same sex marriage. Had he felt like doing so, based on past statements, he certainly knows how to do so directly - and didn't here.

As for marriage, based on his recent statements your last statement is likely untrue - although his recent statements were as ambiguous as the ones in this "historic policy statement," so unlike you I won't claim absolute certainty based on statements which are ambiguous.

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Pope Attacks Same-Sex Marriage In Historic Policy Statement [View all] Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 OP

Did he say same sex marriages are bad in the document? hrmjustin Dec 2013 #1

No, but he did make one actual reference to the fight. Xithras Dec 2013 #3

It used to get pages but now it gets just a line that can be seen as very weak. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #4

I don't see how, its the same type of language used by NOM and their ilk... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #5

I like to think he is changing but you are right to hold his feet to the fire. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #6

People always say he is changing his views, then fail to provide evidence for this. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #8

One might say that the few sentences on the subbject might be a sign that things might be changing. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #10

precisely nt arely staircase Dec 2013 #14

Not really, he's Pope now, when he was just a Cardinal, he got down and dirty... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #23

The RCC has many faults and the fact it is not democratic is one of them. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #48

The catholic Church will never change gerogie2 Dec 2013 #49

Of course you can not show us the 'pages' the others wrote, nor will you admit Francis' own Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #28

I left the RCC because I was told by Cardinal O'connor that I was going to burn in hell for being hrmjustin Dec 2013 #47

Yeah it seems pretty obvious gollygee Dec 2013 #9

"modified at will" does indeed sound like it's about divorce, Volaris Dec 2013 #24

He's supported civil partnerships in the past. Can you provide a link pnwmom Dec 2013 #20

Sure... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #25

I disagree leftynyc Dec 2013 #32

Here is some context, Francis is well known for his rants against equality for gay people. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #37

Spare me your sarcasm leftynyc Dec 2013 #42

In previous statements he claimed gay marriage was the work of the devil Major Nikon Dec 2013 #15

Yes I have seen them. I am hoping her is changing his mind. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #16

Hmm does it say that elsewhere in the document? Shivering Jemmy Dec 2013 #2

Why not read it? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #7

It doesn't say it. The article title, carried over here, Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #18

Marriage for life with as many children HockeyMom Dec 2013 #11

But he drives a Renault with 4930453458345 miles on it... Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #12

that is it? arely staircase Dec 2013 #13

I'd suggest you change your subject line - Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #17

Question, what traditional values does he want upheld that are mentioned in this document? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #19

And yet he has supported civil partnerships. That's a position far to the left pnwmom Dec 2013 #21

Actually, he called it the lesser of two evils, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #22

The point is that the document itself Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #27

There are a lot of assumptions around partial quotes, so I'm not convinced. Tigress DEM Dec 2013 #26

If you are going to tout his 'positive' quotes, you owe it to others to read the full screed Francis Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #30

While I think the pope and the RCC have a very long way to go, this article and it's title are cbayer Dec 2013 #29

Context provides his quotes saying gay people raising kids is 'discrimination against the children' Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #33

Agree that his history is not at all helpful in making the argument that there cbayer Dec 2013 #35

I think even the worst are capable of change, but I also think it is offensive to pretend such Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #38

Agree. There has been no change to date other than some change in tone. cbayer Dec 2013 #39

Thanks cbayer, for those words. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #41

There is no greater testament to the goodness of people than cbayer Dec 2013 #46

Misleading title, designed for the Anti-Pope crowd. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #31

I'd say it just bothers the anti gay crowd, for they love to hide their prejudices behind dogma Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #34

Got it. Pope is evil. Everyone that likes him is evil. Your a stanch defender of gay rights Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #36

Excuse me but I said no such thing. I stated facts, he is opposed to our rights Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #40

Wow. Umm who said you aren't equal? Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #43

Sacred? Not so much. Lawful? Yes fadedrose Dec 2013 #44

That's the pope I know!! Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #45