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DeSwiss

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51. You forgot these Sid:

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:53 AM

Dec 2013

References

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3. Rodwin M. Conflicts of interest, institutional corruption, and Pharma: an agenda for reform. Journal of Law, Medicine & Ethics 2012;40:511-22.

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8. Kozauer N, Katz R. Regulatory innovation and drug development for early-stage Alzheimer's disease. New England Journal of Medicine 2013 (Mar 13);DOI: 10.1056/NEJMp1302513

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How Pharmaceuticals Came To Be The 4th Leading Cause Of Death In America [View all] DeSwiss Dec 2013 OP

Cipro/Levaquin FQs it's victims are legion lunasun Dec 2013 #1

I am among them. :-/ n/t DeSwiss Dec 2013 #2

I was hit in 2007 took over 3 yrs to get back to normal If I eat soy a lot of crap still starts up lunasun Dec 2013 #7

I take NO prescription medications now. And I don't plan to in the future either. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #12

Good luck in not dying from that infection that only an antibiotix will cure. HERVEPA Dec 2013 #78

More like good luck from not dying from that infection that antibiotics cannot touch because djean111 Dec 2013 #107

For the last 40 years of my life, I have seen this scenario louis-t Dec 2013 #209

A med originally classified as a second choice(only after something else fails) now marketed for $ lunasun Dec 2013 #113

De nada. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #135

There are antimicrobials and antifungals BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #165

Wow! I wonder what the names of these UTI drugs were... CoffeeCat Dec 2013 #129

5 Levaquin pills... Ino Dec 2013 #13

I almost went blind from Cipro HockeyMom Dec 2013 #30

Absolutely terrifying. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #3

THE major crisis of healthcare that we're experiencing..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #14

I did an interview on Fox News yesterday greymattermom Dec 2013 #17

Here's more on the subject: DeSwiss Dec 2013 #21

K&R...many of the newer Pharmaceuticals have more side effects than KoKo Dec 2013 #153

Not content with infecting just the US solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #4

they make so much money the fines are just a hit they can recover from lunasun Dec 2013 #11

''The fish stinks from the head.'' DeSwiss Dec 2013 #15

Speaking to your point on corruption, ronnie624 Dec 2013 #83

Way, way too much truth for much of DU. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author MattBaggins Dec 2013 #151

* ronnie624 Dec 2013 #77

This is why I try to avoid medications... CoffeeCat Dec 2013 #130

I'm not surprised in the least Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #5

Rule of thumb: LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #10

example solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #18

A perfect example of what I and LadyHawk were referring to Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #22

Doc, is the potential for sudden death right for me?" elehhhhna Dec 2013 #152

LOL! LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #174

Being of a socialist inclination..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #16

You might find this book interesting solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #19

So how do you remove "pain and misery"? CanSocDem Dec 2013 #54

An evolutionary changed will be required first. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #58

thanks for the post Locrian Dec 2013 #87

Yep. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #118

you got it - now we need to get back to the garden - n/t Locrian Dec 2013 #170

Absolutely! ronnie624 Dec 2013 #79

The CDC seems to have different statistics on prescription drug deaths Nevernose Dec 2013 #6

I know at one point they "lost' years of Dr/PT reporting on Levaquin via FDA medwatch lunasun Dec 2013 #8

As Disraeli said: ''Lies, damned lies and statistics.'' DeSwiss Dec 2013 #9

not only the CDC, any other source you find will not list it either because it isn't. The article lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #40

So it wasn't the drug it was irresponsible doctors and a profit lead healthcare system intaglio Dec 2013 #20

Lasix killed my mother newfie11 Dec 2013 #23

We are poisoning ourselves...... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #24

LASIK is an extremely powerful diuretic, and needs to be monitored constantly.for electrolyte lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #41

My wife got sick. sendero Dec 2013 #25

If we stand back from the individual problems and issues..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #29

Where in the PDA under Levaquin? TorchTheWitch Dec 2013 #180

I meant PDR.. sendero Dec 2013 #182

there's always people that can't take a certain medication TorchTheWitch Dec 2013 #183

Yeah.. sendero Dec 2013 #185

Thanks! I'm surprised the Big Pharma people haven't pnwmom Dec 2013 #26

Wouldn't notice. I have them on IGNORE.... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #27

Awww. You think pro-science people are "Big Pharma." And yet you tried to pretend... HuckleB Dec 2013 #192

No. You are the one connecting pro-science people to Big pharma. pnwmom Dec 2013 #217

Hogwash. HuckleB Dec 2013 #223

"End of discussion." Aren't you self-important! pnwmom Dec 2013 #225

This message was self-deleted by its author Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #229

Meanwhile, all-time deaths from overdose of marijuana remain at zero. Scuba Dec 2013 #28

In 10,000 years of record use! DeSwiss Dec 2013 #31

Tetrahydrocannabinol is a pharmaceutical product lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #33

Bullshit. Heart disease, cancer, stroke, chronic lung disease, accidents, alzheimers, diabetes, lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #32

Before I put your a@!$ on Ignore..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #34

please put me on ignore. I listed the top 15 causes of death in the U.S. and you didn't answer lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #39

For many, many people both hypertension and diabetes can be controlled with diet. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #84

True, but for many that is not enough. Type II diabetes can literally be reversed with diet, but lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #100

Tim Minchin - Storm CorrectOfCenter Dec 2013 #35

I hear ya. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #37

from the Harvard link, G_j Dec 2013 #36

The gangrene has gone too far into the body politic. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #38

Thanks for this, G_j. nt Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #168

Is the article implying the drugs caused her cancer? marshall Dec 2013 #42

Muddled? DeSwiss Dec 2013 #43

UTIs are not curable by cranberry juice MattBaggins Dec 2013 #150

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #158

+1 D23MIURG23 Dec 2013 #161

Actually, I have used cranberry juice for such Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #171

Cranberry juice can help with urinary health trotsky Dec 2013 #220

Of course not. But it can cure some of them. pnwmom Dec 2013 #244

Sure they are. Quantess Dec 2013 #200

Oh, really? How many UTI's have you ever had? pnwmom Dec 2013 #242

I can guess at the conclusion, but basically I think the writer doesn't close the gap marshall Dec 2013 #157

this is a made up patient using the author's experience as a basis magical thyme Dec 2013 #149

Collective Evolution... SidDithers Dec 2013 #44

Sid, if that's the only one you saw..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #46

Thanks, I saved that. bemildred Dec 2013 #65

Right.. some woo.. G_j Dec 2013 #60

Sid -I think you need to open your mind here Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #172

Sid probably has the most open mind on this thread. HuckleB Dec 2013 #175

. solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #179

Exactly nt Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #181

Green for victory!... SidDithers Dec 2013 #184

I see you don't know what an open mind is... HuckleB Dec 2013 #193

Doing a 'Sid' Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #228

...and yet there are posters on DU who go into HYSTERIA about complementary medicine Berlum Dec 2013 #45

Poo they're pimping!!! DeSwiss Dec 2013 #48

They claim to be anti-corporatist also Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #49

If the aid isn't proven to work, then it should be questioned.. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #159

Hey, you'll love these quality articles posted at Collective Evolution... SidDithers Dec 2013 #50

years ago on DU I posted this same info from JAMA which is as mainstream as is possible. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #85

JAMA had articles about chemtrails?... SidDithers Dec 2013 #94

No- it stated the FACT that drugs as prescribed are a leading cause of death. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #98

No. What's pathetic is the use of a source like Collective Evolution in ANY thread at DU...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #101

What's pathetic is attempting to distract from such a serious issue, that Americans ARE dying sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #154

... SidDithers Dec 2013 #156

Thanks for kicking the thread, again. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #173

You still have a link to that article, because I don't believe you. D23MIURG23 Dec 2013 #162

But, but... it agrees with my preconceived notions! HuckleB Dec 2013 #176

People who attack "complementary" medicine do so because much of it is outright bullshit Orrex Dec 2013 #53

My main problem with that position is..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #63

There's an easy answer to that, in fact. Orrex Dec 2013 #76

No, allopath is a correct term BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #124

That's really not up to you. Orrex Dec 2013 #134

Apparently it's not up to wikipedia either BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #142

Cling to your petty propaganda labels however it suits you to do so Orrex Dec 2013 #155

As I said YMMV BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #166

Homeopathy isn't recognized by the evidence based medical establishment, so no distinction is needed D23MIURG23 Dec 2013 #163

When there is zero scientific evidence to support it as actual medicine, then it's Woo. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #64

I will continue solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #68

Gee, that's nice. No sure what that has to do with what I said. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #71

We are questioning... CanSocDem Dec 2013 #186

Sorry, no. Things that are scientifically proven to treat illness and disease are "medicine." cleanhippie Dec 2013 #188

If it works....??? CanSocDem Dec 2013 #219

If it "works" then it will be testable, repeatable, and falsifiable cleanhippie Dec 2013 #221

Your sig'line contradicts your post. CanSocDem Dec 2013 #226

Uhm yeah, the Scientific Method is just another belief system. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #227

It actually is Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #231

Exactly Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #230

''When there is zero scientific evidence to support it as actual medicine, then it's Woo.'' DeSwiss Dec 2013 #69

Glad we agree that unsupported-by-scientific-fact "medicine" is Woo. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #73

Oh my Berlum Dec 2013 #82

Lions and tigers and bears! cleanhippie Dec 2013 #189

Whenever I see a word used repeatedly, or a phrase, to support Big Corps and denigrate those sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #81

Occam's Razor- it's way more logical to see that many are threatened by anything outside their KittyWampus Dec 2013 #88

Well, of course I didn't say any DUer was a 'paid shill'. It isn't necessary as we discovered sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #99

Like I replied above Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #93

Actually, the anti science, anti reality position of the peddlers of "woo"... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #164

Because it's a scam, and we should be fighting scams! HuckleB Dec 2013 #246

More aweseomeness from Collective Evolution... SidDithers Dec 2013 #47

You forgot these Sid: DeSwiss Dec 2013 #51

More batshit from Collective Evolution... SidDithers Dec 2013 #52

No, that one's from Harvard. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #55

That would be the article citing 10 references, none of which were used to support the assertion winter is coming Dec 2013 #72

You must have missed the post..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #121

Clearly, I've already read the author's essay, as I was commenting on the lack of a citation winter is coming Dec 2013 #136

Lol! Harvard = Woo now! sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #104

in Sid's defense (bleah), "Harvard" isn't making this claim foo_bar Dec 2013 #120

slow down, take a deep breath G_j Dec 2013 #61

Wait. The OP didn't link to Collective Evolution?... SidDithers Dec 2013 #62

well possessing a minimal modicum G_j Dec 2013 #66

Then why the link to CE at all?... SidDithers Dec 2013 #67

I don't know G_j Dec 2013 #70

As I posted up thread > JAMA reported this same FACT years ago. I posted it multiple times KittyWampus Dec 2013 #89

I'm not trying to discredit a fact... SidDithers Dec 2013 #91

And the mother of all batshit insane woo from Collective Evolution... SidDithers Dec 2013 #56

Holy crap! HappyMe Dec 2013 #57

And now you are spamming this thread. Edit- I just alerted. Your 2 previous posts were KittyWampus Dec 2013 #90

Spamming?... SidDithers Dec 2013 #92

And the alert failed, 5-1. I'm sure that you'll now alert on other posts, until you get a 6-0.. X_Digger Dec 2013 #102

Yeah, I know you alerted... SidDithers Dec 2013 #105

That's a lousy source to use. Why not use MineralMan Dec 2013 #59

DUers aren't stupid, they can check the source and make their own decision. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #74

DU used to have standards... SidDithers Dec 2013 #97

Ding! Ding! Ding! Right answer! HuckleB Dec 2013 #177

And I can point out the nature of the source. MineralMan Dec 2013 #110

Oh, I think that's fine. nt NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #112

Calling DUers who don't know this OP source is bad "stupid"... gulliver Dec 2013 #234

The source article doesn't explain where the "4th leading cause of death" stuff comes from, either. winter is coming Dec 2013 #75

AND you admit there's a link to Harvard. And I can link to JAMA saying the exact same thing. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #95

I'm not sure what it is you're trying to say, actually. MineralMan Dec 2013 #111

If you "can link to JAMA saying the exact same thing", please do so. winter is coming Dec 2013 #143

Here's an interesting JAMA article... winter is coming Dec 2013 #146

And here's an old one about drug-related deaths among inpatients. winter is coming Dec 2013 #147

And one about adverse drug reactions... winter is coming Dec 2013 #148

The link to the Harvard organization posts the same paper. pnwmom Dec 2013 #249

The lack of ability of critical thinking HERVEPA Dec 2013 #80

It's actually only marginally better than placebo. Then you factor in the side effects... KittyWampus Dec 2013 #96

Can you provide support for that dangerous assertion? Orrex Dec 2013 #109

Your premise is totally ludicrous. HERVEPA Dec 2013 #114

De nada. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #132

The only prescription I take is thyroid. Faux pas Dec 2013 #86

As I've mentioned up and down thread..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #131

Food should be the main supporter of health. Faux pas Dec 2013 #190

Even IF pharmaceuticals are the 4th leading cause of death, Sgent Dec 2013 #103

In-general I'm in agreement with you..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #127

I agree to an extent Sgent Dec 2013 #133

You don't come down with diabetes. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #138

Diet and exercise does play a role. HuckleB Dec 2013 #202

Recommend jsr Dec 2013 #106

Medical errors are the third leading cause of death: highplainsdem Dec 2013 #108

FWIW, I agree with you. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #123

Your study is about "patient harms associated with hospital care" - broadly defined. D23MIURG23 Dec 2013 #167

There's no such thing as side effects felix_numinous Dec 2013 #115

Amen. n/t DeSwiss Dec 2013 #122

I suggest the FQ/ safe drug community out there 4U re: serious discussion lunasun Dec 2013 #116

Oh, no. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #126

Kick and Recommended. Despite the apologists for big Pharma, the link between some drugs and deaths quinnox Dec 2013 #119

De nada. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #125

lol, nice pic quinnox Dec 2013 #128

... SidDithers Dec 2013 #144

If you were writing a college paper, and you cited Collective Evolution... Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #137

Well I'm not. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #139

You're posting from this website as if it's truth. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #140

How do I accomplish this? DeSwiss Dec 2013 #141

Bottom line: Why would you post a link to such a site? HuckleB Dec 2013 #195

No, I don't see it. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #222

You're the one who is closed minded. HuckleB Dec 2013 #224

HuckleB Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #232

What about your posts from above? HuckleB Dec 2013 #235

read them. Duh! Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #236

Do you want to discuss something, or do you just enjoy getting people to go on wild goose chases? HuckleB Dec 2013 #237

You cut the crap Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #238

All I see in your posts above is the obvious. HuckleB Dec 2013 #239

Hey interesting 'good bye' Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #240

I'm wrong? HuckleB Dec 2013 #241

What game? Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #243

. HuckleB Dec 2013 #245

So you can't spell it out. Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #247

And the classic Internet BS continues. HuckleB Dec 2013 #248

Anyone reading this exchange will see that you have nothing to say here. :) Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #250

And you've said what exactly? HuckleB Dec 2013 #251

Not sure what you mean about 'ethical' Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #252

You have done nothing but play games. HuckleB Dec 2013 #253

Ok, HuckleB - I now understand that you don't want to discuss Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #254

And the games continue. HuckleB Dec 2013 #255

... Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #256

And, finally, we get a full confession. HuckleB Dec 2013 #257

This message was self-deleted by its author Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #259

This message was self-deleted by its author Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #258

Big brother (the FDA) won't let the 4th leading cause of death in indepat Dec 2013 #145

Yep - another arena where the partnership between corps and gov't... polichick Dec 2013 #216

We're just players on the big stage prepped for us indepat Dec 2013 #218

As far as I can tell, they aren't. D23MIURG23 Dec 2013 #160

When you can not handle the message, attack the messenger. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #169

What's easy is bashing something out of context. HuckleB Dec 2013 #178

It has generated important discussion.n/t CanSocDem Dec 2013 #187

Yeah, what you consider "important" tends to be not so important. HuckleB Dec 2013 #191

And yet there are plenty of people who attack alternatives as "woo." polichick Dec 2013 #194

No, people attack scams as woo! HuckleB Dec 2013 #196

Bullshit - they also call herbal remedies "woo" even when those remedies... polichick Dec 2013 #197

Now you're offering two fallacies in one post to support whatever it is you're trying to support? HuckleB Dec 2013 #198

Thanks for the laugh! :) polichick Dec 2013 #199

Awwwwww. So you really do like promoting woo! HuckleB Dec 2013 #201

imo brainwashed fools like you are a hoot! polichick Dec 2013 #203

Uh, duh. HuckleB Dec 2013 #204

You're brainwashed. Try the natural substance the way it's been used... polichick Dec 2013 #206

I'm not the one who is brainwashed. HuckleB Dec 2013 #207

Yeah, because Mother Nature knows nothing about science. LOL polichick Dec 2013 #210

So you offer up another useless cliche and logical fallacy. HuckleB Dec 2013 #213

Anyone ever taken Lunesta? DirkGently Dec 2013 #205

This exposes the problems of allowing the "free market" into health care, more than anything. HuckleB Dec 2013 #208

I don't doubt "side effects are rare," but even a low incidence of DirkGently Dec 2013 #211

Well... HuckleB Dec 2013 #212

I agree it's a balance. Need to sleep vs. risk of suicide / homicide / DirkGently Dec 2013 #214

Most of the research does address such issues. HuckleB Dec 2013 #215

Gave me nightmares and hallucinations. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #261

"Baking Soda is Proving to be an Effective Treatment For Cancer"... SidDithers Dec 2013 #233

The Polio Vaccine Myth: �The Vaccine Stopped Polio� SidDithers Dec 2013 #260