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274. I love how pro-science DU can't bother to link to any science in this entire thread

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:37 PM

Dec 2013

Here's one to start you off that supports a few of the things I'll be saying:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8477683

Men are stronger overall, stronger upper body, stronger lower body, stronger pound-for-pound, have greater muscular endurance, and greater cardiovascular fitness than women.

Since all-of-a-sudden everybody is getting pedantic with their quantifiers (which never happens when people agree with a point), I'll state that when I say "men" and "women" I mean "men at the X percentile ranking among all men" and "women at the X percentile ranking among all women", both for the same value of X. Or, as somebody said above, compare average man to average woman, elite man to elite woman, etc.

I'm an above average endurance athlete. Going by my PRs, I could make the Olympic finals in the Olympic heptathlon, which is a 7-event speed/power track & field competition for women. I'd crush the 800m heptathlon world record (the only hep event that has a significant cardiovascular fitness component). Any above average male speed/power athlete would would easily win the competition.

Additionally, it's conventional wisdom in track and field (I don't know if it's been scientifically studied) that women respond to performance enhancing drugs more than men. This notion explains why the old doped up records from the 80s and 90s for women are still standing while the records for men from this period have fallen. If true, it would support the idea that natural male hormones, which are related to these PEDs, are an important part of the raw athletic differences between men and women.

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Would you agree that women are, anatomically speaking, weaker than men? [View all] quinnox Dec 2013 OP

uh, yeah. so what? what's your point? cali Dec 2013 #1

Cali! did you know from Christmas to January 12th you won't be able to post! snooper2 Dec 2013 #49

I did does this please you? cali Dec 2013 #65

not really, your posts are fun for the most part... snooper2 Dec 2013 #75

We don't need to try. You're doing all the heavy lifting for us. kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #104

I hope that those attempting to get you booted are unsuccessful. Lord knows ... 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #133

Aw, that is too bad. uppityperson Dec 2013 #169

I understand. I had 2 hides that when I saw them, I said to myself: Is this a joke?... BlueJazz Dec 2013 #277

They outlive us. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #2

I don't know. Savannahmann Dec 2013 #3

Wants to talk science and biology, then says "please explain why they have been targets so much in Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #4

I just pointed out that indisputable fact because I wanted to emphasize my point quinnox Dec 2013 #9

Ok, I added more too Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #10

Actually LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #210

Thats interesting, I guess things changed from what I'd read. I think it was an old Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #218

This will be good. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #5

Our strength is in endurance. annabanana Dec 2013 #6

And ability to withstand pain. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #200

Where are we trying to go with this? bemildred Dec 2013 #7

I'm just trying to see if we have widespread agreement about basic science here quinnox Dec 2013 #8

What basic science? bemildred Dec 2013 #17

Sounds like you don't agree that anatomically speaking, men are stronger than women quinnox Dec 2013 #23

Correct. I would agree that some men are stronger than some women. bemildred Dec 2013 #28

Ok, you obviously don't want to recognize the reality of basic biological differences between men quinnox Dec 2013 #33

Yes, clearly, you said so, so it must be true. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #36

Here, this is for you: bemildred Dec 2013 #54

Does muscle mass automatically make men stronger? enlightenment Dec 2013 #67

It is stereotyping women as "weak", that's what it is. bemildred Dec 2013 #94

Also.... most men do not realize that women are stronger in their legs than upper body VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #208

Well - in areas where women are stronger that really doesn't count bhikkhu Dec 2013 #259

Ah, the motive Matariki Dec 2013 #114

The new version of "The Bible says ..." nt bemildred Dec 2013 #159

In some ways many women are weaker than men... cynatnite Dec 2013 #11

And I will defend the Bible for a second here nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #50

And don't forget Jael. Brigid Dec 2013 #81

We are bad nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #83

Yes, we are. Brigid Dec 2013 #84

Don't forget Salome. Sognefjord Dec 2013 #182

Yep, there are plenty of strong women in the Bible... cynatnite Dec 2013 #101

Not to mention - Aphrodite, Athena, Artemis, Demeter, Hera, etc bhikkhu Dec 2013 #260

I've always Munificence Dec 2013 #66

.... cynatnite Dec 2013 #102

Hogwash jamzrockz Dec 2013 #124

God, I hope this is snark. historylovr Dec 2013 #137

It's interesting that the focus is always only on physical strength. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #214

Male Oppression of Women On the Road Dec 2013 #258

Mostly ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #12

Muscularly speaking, yes. But biologically, no. mainer Dec 2013 #13

^^^^This^^^^^ Motown_Johnny Dec 2013 #85

I think women tend to be stronger, pound for pound... Wounded Bear Dec 2013 #14

I'm pretty sure that's not actually the case. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #107

Define "weaker." Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #15

physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #16

Probably not. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #19

Everyone knows the answer to this Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #24

You believe that every man is faster/stronger than every woman? LisaLynne Dec 2013 #46

Of coarse not. Lurker Deluxe Dec 2013 #62

That is a very limited measure of physical strength. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #215

Have a man give birth to an 8 pound baby, and ... frazzled Dec 2013 #18

Yes. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #29

Pain tolerance is definitely in women's favor in lots of ways. scheming daemons Dec 2013 #37

Did you conduct research on pain tolerance in women vs. men? Pitagoras Dec 2013 #131

If men had the tools to have babies, they would have babies, like women do Pitagoras Dec 2013 #119

Oh, gee, I didn't realize that frazzled Dec 2013 #129

Yeah, men are defective and lacking in that way. Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #185

i gave birth to a food "baby" once FatBuddy Dec 2013 #120

Shoot, forget the labor pains. Have a man have one really good menstrual cramp Number23 Dec 2013 #205

In Soviet Russia Woman kick Man Ass snooper2 Dec 2013 #20

Of course LittleBlue Dec 2013 #21

Define "weaker." Demoiselle Dec 2013 #22

physical strength, muscle mass quinnox Dec 2013 #25

No man has been able to beat that specific man's world record in power-lifting over his head, either cyberswede Dec 2013 #93

No, I am comparing the men and womens world records in all powerlifting categories quinnox Dec 2013 #112

I suppose you must think that Chinese biology has changed substantially over the past three decades Chathamization Dec 2013 #150

I don't think she would KamaAina Dec 2013 #26

Then she would be an absolute idiot cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #31

How well would she do against you? KamaAina Dec 2013 #35

And the point of that is? cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #48

Well, we're both men, amirite? KamaAina Dec 2013 #56

Careful, mediocre means he can make many mistakes. Rex Dec 2013 #42

Mediocre male boxers would physically kill her.... Be serious scheming daemons Dec 2013 #34

Mediocre male boxer would end up getting knocked out. Rex Dec 2013 #45

mediocre - "of only moderate quality" cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #79

But she is not of moderate quality, that championship belt Rex Dec 2013 #86

Was the 55 year old, 15 years retired Bobby Riggs a "moderate" tennis player? EOTE Dec 2013 #99

Hey I am still surprised Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson. Rex Dec 2013 #127