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In reply to the discussion: Emerging meme alert: "Not cutting Social Security puts national security at risk." [View all]nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)40. here's a link that explains exactly what i think is happening...
http://nhlabornews.com/2013/12/today-public-employee-retirements-tomorrow-the-rest-of-america/
Today, public employee retirements; Tomorrow, the rest of America
Yesterday was NOT a good day for public sector workers who think they can rely on long-promised pension benefits.
Detroit: Yesterday, a federal bankruptcy judge ruled that even the state constitution did not protect workers retirement benefits.
Illinois: Yesterday, the state Legislature passed a law reducing pension benefits and prohibiting collective bargaining on pensions.
Both of these violations of workers rights are being justified on the theory that the retirement systems are in such dire shape. The rhetorical focus is on the funding ratio: comparing what the system has now, in assets, with the total benefits it will have to pay out in the future.
In household budget terms, this is like comparing your current bank balance with the total amount of the mortgage or rent payments you are expected to make over the next 20 years. (Try doing that math, and youll understand how the pension reform disciples come up with their doomsday scenarios. Theyre doing it with Social Security, too; so what is happening to public employees now will probably happen to the rest of America very, very soon.)
Ok, so maybe the retirement systems current funding ratio is dire. Whose fault is that?
During the 2007-2008 Wall Street meltdown, public pension systems across America lost more than a trillion dollars in value. (Yes, thats trillion with a T.) Most public pension systems had already lost millions or billions in the 2001 recession.
But now that public pensions are a trillion dollars underfunded, theyre being attacked as unaffordable and somehow, its all the fault of public workers.
Detroit: both retirement systems were fully funded, back before the second Bush recession.
Illinois: In FY2000, back before the first Bush recession, the State Employees Retirement System was more than 80% funded, and the Teachers Retirement System was almost 70% funded.
But instead of going after all those Wall Street folks who lost all that public pension fund money our politicians are going after rank-and-file public employees. (By the way: Wall Street bonuses are gong up by 5% to 15%, this year.)
Think this isnt your fight? because its all the way out in Detroit? or because its just public employee unions?
Think again.
The same folks who have been busy reforming public sector retirement benefits are also out to reform Social Security.
Today, public employee retirements; Tomorrow, the rest of America
Yesterday was NOT a good day for public sector workers who think they can rely on long-promised pension benefits.
Detroit: Yesterday, a federal bankruptcy judge ruled that even the state constitution did not protect workers retirement benefits.
Illinois: Yesterday, the state Legislature passed a law reducing pension benefits and prohibiting collective bargaining on pensions.
Both of these violations of workers rights are being justified on the theory that the retirement systems are in such dire shape. The rhetorical focus is on the funding ratio: comparing what the system has now, in assets, with the total benefits it will have to pay out in the future.
In household budget terms, this is like comparing your current bank balance with the total amount of the mortgage or rent payments you are expected to make over the next 20 years. (Try doing that math, and youll understand how the pension reform disciples come up with their doomsday scenarios. Theyre doing it with Social Security, too; so what is happening to public employees now will probably happen to the rest of America very, very soon.)
Ok, so maybe the retirement systems current funding ratio is dire. Whose fault is that?
During the 2007-2008 Wall Street meltdown, public pension systems across America lost more than a trillion dollars in value. (Yes, thats trillion with a T.) Most public pension systems had already lost millions or billions in the 2001 recession.
But now that public pensions are a trillion dollars underfunded, theyre being attacked as unaffordable and somehow, its all the fault of public workers.
Detroit: both retirement systems were fully funded, back before the second Bush recession.
Illinois: In FY2000, back before the first Bush recession, the State Employees Retirement System was more than 80% funded, and the Teachers Retirement System was almost 70% funded.
But instead of going after all those Wall Street folks who lost all that public pension fund money our politicians are going after rank-and-file public employees. (By the way: Wall Street bonuses are gong up by 5% to 15%, this year.)
Think this isnt your fight? because its all the way out in Detroit? or because its just public employee unions?
Think again.
The same folks who have been busy reforming public sector retirement benefits are also out to reform Social Security.
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Emerging meme alert: "Not cutting Social Security puts national security at risk." [View all]
nashville_brook
Dec 2013
OP
Sorry to burst your outrage bubble, but the GOP plan to cut SS for defense cuts is DOA.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#4
oh really? you don't think that this isn't playing out in the media right now?
nashville_brook
Dec 2013
#7
i was having low blood sugar in addition to hearing a day's worth of news about
nashville_brook
Dec 2013
#9
never thought of it like that -- kind of like making woad from granny blood
nashville_brook
Dec 2013
#43
I suppose a big tax cut for the rich needs to be tossed in to the mix too.
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2013
#16
This is why we need Elizabeth Warren and/or Bernie Sanders to run for the presidency
JDPriestly
Dec 2013
#30
If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ...
Scuba
Dec 2013
#31
credit where due, he did come out this morning supporting income equality measures...
nashville_brook
Dec 2013
#36
it's amazing, isn't it. what's the saying… pigs eat hogs are slaughtered?
nashville_brook
Dec 2013
#55