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385. Except that doesn't actually point to conspiracy

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:10 PM

Dec 2013

I find the conclusion of Philip Shenon in his recent book to be compelling, actually--that no, it wasn't a conspiracy; that Oswald was frustrated at Cuba's refusal to grant him a visa, at the Soviets' refusal to grant him a visa, that he'd heard in Mexico City of US plots to kill Castro, that had JFK's personal support...because a CIA agent called Desmond FitzGerald met with a Cuban he thought was a double agent who turned out to be reporting to Castro, arranging to deliver a rifle to him in Havana, and some of the people Oswald met in Mexico City would have been aware of it, and it was discussed in his presence, and he decided "well here's a golden opportunity, if I kill Kennedy, they HAVE to let me in". None of which actually requires conspiracy. (And also represents some intelligence failures on the part of the CIA.)

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Has DU Turned The Corner On The JFK CT BS? Apparently So. [View all] stopbush Dec 2013 OP

Saved from the JFK CT by the porn thread deluge. nt Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #1

Did Oswald have any porn on him when he was arrested? Orrex Dec 2013 #4

IT WAS LARRY FLYNT ON THE GRASSY KNOLL Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #52

kind of makes you wonder if zombie LHO is the one who shot Flynt. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #56

Col Mustard in the library with the candlestick... stopbush Dec 2013 #84

Hmmm . . . what movie was showing at the theater where he was arrested? Jack Rabbit Dec 2013 #54

'War is Hell' struggle4progress Dec 2013 #185

Thank you. That sounds like a dreadful movie Jack Rabbit Dec 2013 #230

There were boxes in his garage. Scuba Dec 2013 #97

You ain't kidding. zappaman Dec 2013 #20

Well, the OP is JFK porn RobertEarl Dec 2013 #57

Oh Noes!1!11! Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #67

It is not being hidden.... these days RobertEarl Dec 2013 #71

But he's conspiring to have the threads hidden... That's very suspicious Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #101

I RARELY see you conspiracy folks talking about his LIFE Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #72

Put your glasses on RobertEarl Dec 2013 #79

If my OP is porn, then what does that make threads that aver LBJ had JFK killed? stopbush Dec 2013 #86

Correct..The supposed "above it all" whiners are just younger DUer's who don't remember & don't care whathehell Dec 2013 #329

The Admins had already made the decision. BootinUp Dec 2013 #330

Despite all of the attempts to quash other opinion, the idea that Kennedy was killed by a lone Th1onein Dec 2013 #2

People are welcome to have other opinions. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #3

The "facts" allowed in by the fixed WC and not shredded by the CIA over the last 50 yrs arendt Dec 2013 #11

I don't decide what the facts are. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #24

And which version (the infamous frame 313) of the film did you see? arendt Dec 2013 #33

There's only one version Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #36

That's what I call enforced blindness. McAdams is a clown. Zen Democrat Dec 2013 #80

Ad hominem Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #82

McAdams rarely offers his opinion at his website. All he does is provide links stopbush Dec 2013 #87

there are no facts! wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #111

Nothing prevents both forward and backward spatter from a bullet to the back of the head: struggle4progress Dec 2013 #186

Gee, how can one be sure JFK was even killed? It could have all been a huge special effect. stopbush Dec 2013 #85

+100 840high Dec 2013 #306

No, it's not a matter of fact and evidence. In fact, that is disputed by many. Th1onein Dec 2013 #13

Yes, he was our president (I was 9 at the time). stopbush Dec 2013 #92

I disagree with you. Th1onein Dec 2013 #150

Let me ask you a question: if we stipulate for the sake of argument stopbush Dec 2013 #151

That they have the right to their opinion, and that the Warren commission MIGHT be wrong. Th1onein Dec 2013 #168

I think you missed the whole part about stipulating the WCR wasn't wrong. stopbush Dec 2013 #169

No, I .didn't. Even if it was completely correct, people have a right to question. Th1onein Dec 2013 #173

But to what end? What's the point of the questioning if the WCR did get it completely right? stopbush Dec 2013 #273

To what end? Does there have to be an end? Th1onein Dec 2013 #293

To whatever end they damn well like, and no, it is certainly NOT along the lines whathehell Dec 2013 #336

Still at it huh? brush Dec 2013 #172

... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #175

Still doesn't answer all the questions . . . brush Dec 2013 #193

I don't know your age, but one thing I do know and whathehell Dec 2013 #337

Dialling what down? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #338

What do you think? whathehell Dec 2013 #339

Insufferable arrogance? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #342

Yes, that's what I said.. whathehell Dec 2013 #346

Absurd certainty? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #348

Have you ever heard of a "positivist"?...Look it up...Most consider them absurd now. whathehell Dec 2013 #350

Most people aren't actually aware of the evidence. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #352

There's no surer sign that of desperately losing an argument than name-calling. whathehell Dec 2013 #353

Name-calling? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #356

Gawd...and you're calling me an "asshole"? whathehell Dec 2013 #358

Clearly it's the latter, then. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #360

"Clearly" to you, lol?...Sorry, dear, you're the one who gave yourself away with the name calling.. whathehell Dec 2013 #363

And you're clearly a condescending twit. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #364

And you're clearly a pompous ass.. whathehell Dec 2013 #367

----- whathehell Dec 2013 #355

I generally credit people with having enough intelligence to be able to read English and understand. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #359

Lame..You just admitted to changing your spelling when you began living in the UK whathehell Dec 2013 #361

And I've been living in the UK for years. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #362

Awww.. whathehell Dec 2013 #365

My arrogance? ahaha. That's hilariously funny. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #366

I'm glad you enjoyed it.. whathehell Dec 2013 #370

Well, you've lost that dust up, Whathehell. stopbush Dec 2013 #375

I think not, stopbush.. whathehell Dec 2013 #376

Well, your "last word" didn't add any more to your argument stopbush Dec 2013 #379

Says you, and given your OP and the quality and amount of pushback you've gotten, whathehell Dec 2013 #380

You're right. I'm biased by the evidence in the JFK case. stopbush Dec 2013 #381

Yes, I'm sure you are more "evidence-based" than people like Secretary of State, John Kerry, LOL whathehell Dec 2013 #394

He said, she said. What a stupid game to play. stopbush Dec 2013 #397

Um, right...Unfortunately, you started the whole stupid thing but I'm ending it, okay? whathehell Dec 2013 #398

Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that Oswald was the lone gunman. KamaAina Dec 2013 #39

But we don't have to assume that. Howver, you are right about the other. Th1onein Dec 2013 #44

We kind of have to assume that, because all the evidence says so. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #75

It isn't an assumption--it is a FACT. duffyduff Dec 2013 #95

That authoritarian tendency is a real turn off SpcMnky Dec 2013 #89

I understand, make believe is fun! n-t Logical Dec 2013 #113

Authoritarians cannot stand a free society or an open forum. Rex Dec 2013 #200

I always wonder about people who come to our discussion board and tell us not to discuss yurbud Dec 2013 #327

Do you ever wonder where the reference to the DU dungeon came from? BootinUp Dec 2013 #331

I know where it came from. Unfortunately, we don't have one for trolls who think glib insults pass yurbud Dec 2013 #368

Your attempts to shut down discussion have and will fail. former9thward Dec 2013 #5

I think actually he is inviting discussion... The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #9

I hopeyou meant to say that a majority THINK there was a conspiracy. And by the way, it's Kool-Aid. 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #12

I deliberately spelled it like the OP did. former9thward Dec 2013 #14

This op smacks of assholery... polichick Dec 2013 #6

That's what I got from it too, someone who asserts they know better than others and criticizes any gtar100 Dec 2013 #22

No shit Doctor_J Dec 2013 #49

+ 10 Brazillion Myrina Dec 2013 #60

Yup. nt laundry_queen Dec 2013 #69

Using a JFK avatar to accentuate it, taboot. pacalo Dec 2013 #93

noi just "smacks" villager Dec 2013 #107

Ahhh, whining because he made you sad? n-t Logical Dec 2013 #114

I don't think an observation is considered "whining" LanternWaste Dec 2013 #245

He's pissed because most people ignore his propaganda now. Rex Dec 2013 #198

Indeed it does. EOTE Dec 2013 #231

Yes it does. n/t whathehell Dec 2013 #340

... Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #7

In before "misinformationist." The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #8

As someone who for the most part supports the Warren Commission. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #10

+1 Another piece of trash to dispose of. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #15

Please no fines for cyber-littering. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #16

+1 G_j Dec 2013 #21

Most appreciated, NCT. I feel the same. pacalo Dec 2013 #178

Feel better now? Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2013 #17

You haven't stopped anything. People are allowed to have different opinions than liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #18

Well said. pacalo Dec 2013 #179

Ordering the Administration around, demanding they do what you want? Are you an admins sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #19

on ATA forum, LOTS of people share his sentiment Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #23

Three or four people on a site this big is not 'lots of people'. The rest of us, the huge majority sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #25

you have "freedom" and "liberty" disorder. Your right to say whatever you want on this site Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #28

Take it up with Skinner HangOnKids Dec 2013 #29

already have done. he was guessing the posts would die down Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #30

HaHaHaHaHa HangOnKids Dec 2013 #31

I did. If people continue to post stupid JFK conspiracy shit, I am sure moderators will be Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #35

Please do not tell me what to deal with HangOnKids Dec 2013 #37

you're welcome. any reply to you is a welcome addition to my prodigious posting count Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #38

Good to see you admitting that HangOnKids Dec 2013 #40

is it? I've seen bigger. I don't like to brag Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #42

Really? HangOnKids Dec 2013 #105

Is he still here? Rex Dec 2013 #199

Well, maybe now it's time for the rest of us, who generally have enough respect for the Admins not sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #51

I deduce from all your arble garble that you consider JFK CT a "serious issue". Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #55

Other DUers read the ATA forum, too. Still want to stand by "LOTS"? pacalo Dec 2013 #181

Comedy Gold !!! - Thanks For The Laff... WillyT Dec 2013 #26

That's some pretty big talk, coming from a person whose views BlueStreak Dec 2013 #27

very small percentage? No. Around 24% think Oswald acted along Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #45

24% is a very small percentage in my book. BlueStreak Dec 2013 #46

have fun with that. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #50

25% of Americans identified as liberal in 2012. nyquil_man Dec 2013 #391

A small minority should present their arguments as such BlueStreak Dec 2013 #395

So the small minority should act according to the wishes of the majority? nyquil_man Dec 2013 #396

are the Kool-Aid drinkers the ones who believe the governments initial positions, or the ones who di LanternWaste Dec 2013 #32

The OP Thinks They Are Kool-Ade Drinkers HangOnKids Dec 2013 #34

Oh I hope so... SidDithers Dec 2013 #41

No one in the "fact based community" has been able to explain why the Mafia wanted Oswald dead. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #43

Now who's promoting a conspiracy theory? The Warren Commission said BlueStreak Dec 2013 #47

Where is the evidence that the Mafia pushed Ruby to kill LHO? The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #48

That theory is the funniest, stupidest one of all. duffyduff Dec 2013 #58

Yes Ruby was on friendly terms with the police and sheriff's department, the Mafia wanted him to be. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #64

Do you mean like this? Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #59

Premeditation does not equal mafia conspiracy to kill LHO. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #74

Mafia informant words have been accepted before Sheeran, Valachi is just one example Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #78

That factoid is irrelevant to the case and ignores all the evidence that says LHO acted alone. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #120

The plans for JFK's Dallas trip were finalized in September, they decided to extend a one day short Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #124

Wait. What? So you are suggesting LHO acted alone? The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #131

Oswald as he stated was a patsy. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #136

Oh OK. But I don't think its the only logical answer. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #148

The driver may not have known what was in the box but the coincidence of both transportation, Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #155

I thought her name was Ruth Paine. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #162

Ruby seems to have suggested to the Warren Commission he was afraid of the Birchers: struggle4progress Dec 2013 #182

There is no record of the Birchers having killed anyone, the same can't be said for the Mafia. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #224

The first�question, in evaluating whatever Ruby said, is: What did Ruby say? struggle4progress Dec 2013 #242

To the contrary while Ruby claims not to use temporary insanity as defense, De Facto that's Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #248

So we agree Ruby's main concern before the WC was his own death sentence for killing LHO struggle4progress Dec 2013 #255

Yes Ruby wanted to avoid the death sentence but he also feared for his sister's life. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #258

The Sheeran allegations are contained in a book published after Sheeran's death, allegedly reporting struggle4progress Dec 2013 #267

What about these allegations? Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #268

Dr. Werner Tuteur: Aided Survivors Of Nazi Camps (Chicago Trib | August 25, 1991|By Kenan Heise) struggle4progress Dec 2013 #282

Ruby had mental problems but he had enough political awareness to know who and what political Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #389

So what about Ruth Paine? The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #233

I don't know enough about Ruth Paine or her neighbor which gave the job recommendation to make a Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #235

So you are speculating that someone in the CIA used Ruth Paine? The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #236

It doesn't take the entirety of any of those institutions which you list, just a few elements Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #239

Seems like a lot of pieces of your puzzle do not fit together and the theory is self contradictory. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #240

Paine isn't the only one concerned about Oswald's mental state, his friend George de Mohrenschildt Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #247

Wow. You have proved the answer to the mystery is more mystery. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #250

This would the same Warren Commission which stated that Ruby didn't have a "significant link" Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #253

So if I understand you correctly you are willing to throw out all of the WCR The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #283

It wasn't just one Mafia Hitman, there was plenty of evidence linking Ruby to organized crime. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #285

Wiki says this about Ruby too. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #288

Ruby didn't have to be a "member," he was connected regardless and he knew the consequences Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #297

Not only was he not a member... The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #317

That's not what the House Select Committee and other investigations have demonstrated. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #321

de Mohrenschildt was involuntarily committed in 1976, on his wife's request: she noted then struggle4progress Dec 2013 #315

Yes and Bush the Lesser wrote him a response letter. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #320

The plans for JFK's Dallas trip weren't finalised until 18 November. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #183

Thanks for the correction, not finalized in all details but by your link September is when the plans Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #187

But the motorcade route wasn't finalised until 18 November. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #188

Once it was established in September that Kennedy's trip would be extended and that Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #225

No. The route was not a formality. DanTex Dec 2013 #229

There are only so many routes from Love Field to the Dallas Trade Mart, that was the most logical Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #237

Except the Trade Mart wasn't selected as the location until 14 November. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #252

The decision to speak to a wide venue was set in September and the Dallas Trade Mart was Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #254

... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #256

The first paragraph makes my point, the Dallas Trade Mart was the most logical choice. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #259

The rest of it points out that Oswald was working there before any of this was decided Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #260

It makes no difference whether the assassin was placed there before the route or the Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #262

Of course it makes a difference. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #264

"Chance" brought Oswald to Dallas during the same month (September) Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #266

Oswald moved to Ft Worth on 6/14/1962 - a year and a half before he killed JFK. stopbush Dec 2013 #270

Oswald wasn't living in Texas in September of 63, he was in New Orleans since April of 63. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #274

I don't see what point you're trying to make. stopbush Dec 2013 #277

Oswald's family was brought back to Dallas in September, Oswald followed a few days later. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #280

And who "brought" Oswald's family back to Dallas? stopbush Dec 2013 #286

I was just reading her testimony regarding Oswald shooting at General Walker and she says Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #296

Job at the TSBD. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #271

I said Paine seemed credible on the video, I also said I didn't know of her neighbor Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #275

See: list of logical fallacies in previous post. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #276

There are too many connections to disregard the possibility of conpiracy. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #278

Too many connections to what exactly? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #289

Oswald didn't need to make contact days after it hit the press. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #298

And? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #300

Oswald and Marina are all that needed to know. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #303

Except those dots actually don't connect to anything. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #305

They all connect to Ruby, Oswald or their immediate connection, this Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #308

They don't, actually. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #310

Ruby's connections weren't perripheral and he didn't have to be member of organized crime Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #311

More logical fallacies Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #312

You just demonstrated by your post what we're capable of doing and yet you refuse to believe Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #313

We have evidence of all of those things. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #314

That's because those were other nations and their people, justice departments and press Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #316

And? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #319

And the evidence was destroyed, that's the point. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #322

... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #323

If your link does anything, it supports my contention, they were concerned with who Oswald met Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #374

Except that doesn't actually point to conspiracy Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #385

We don't know what transpired in regards to Oswald's meetings in Mexico because that evidence Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #388

Except we kind of do know what transpired in regard to Oswald's meetings in Mexico Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #390

Except this part isn't true. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #392

It is true. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #393

No it isn't true. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #399

We're not talking about "the basic decision". Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #400

The actual evidence is that 2500 people were expected to attend Kennedy's Speech, this was Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #401

Again: Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #402

Again, when they met at the White House in September, they determined that JFK Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #403

Except it's nonsense Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #404

Oh for fucks sake BootinUp Dec 2013 #332

I hope you take a look at this article about who owned the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building Samantha Dec 2013 #324

That motorcade went way out of its way to put downtown on the route from Love Field struggle4progress Dec 2013 #279

If you're going to drive slow and expose the President to large number of people it is. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #281

Fifty years later, with this assassination and various assassination attempts on record, struggle4progress Dec 2013 #284

I agree, struggle4progress, but some of this was just stupid even for that day and there was Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #287

"It seems a little too convenient" Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #290

And Ruby falsely claims he thought the transfer had already taken place Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #299

How would he have known he hadn't been? It was announced for 10am. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #301

Perhaps because the police vehicle wasn't moved or perhaps because Ruby's informant told him the Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #304

Ruby owned a Strip Bar in DALLAS in 1963 fer gawds sake. bvar22 Dec 2013 #382

I guess I must be pretty f**king naive. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #387

And in regards to the security guards being removed from the door during Oswald's transport, Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #63

Uh huh. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #66

I suppose Ruby could've rented a bunk or brought his sleeping bag to the police dept. but that Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #70

Which still doesn't explain why he wasn't there when Oswald was scheduled to be transferred... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #76

When did they announce that they would be moving Oswald in the press conference? Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #81

... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #83

Ruby had been stalking Oswald of that, there is no dispute. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #90

Questioning by the US Postal Inspector Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #91

I'm wondering why Ruby would believe this if Oswald had already been transferred an hour before? Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #96

The assumption that Oswald had been transferred is logical... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #98

But the crowd was still there nearly an hour afterwards, logic should tell you the transfer had not Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #109

Ruby's polygraph test is part of his testimony. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #112

No wonder they don't allow polygraph tests to be used as evidence anymore, Ruby Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #121

FFS, will this shit ever end? n-t Logical Dec 2013 #115

If there were a shred of evidence that the mafia sent Ruby to kill Oswald... DanTex Dec 2013 #118

Ruby had the best opportunity to kill Oswald he had connections and was on friendly terms with Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #122

Not remotely close to evidence that the mafia had Ruby kill Oswald. DanTex Dec 2013 #123

That's all in the eye of the beholder, I believe Ruby had more than just "loose contacts" going Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #130

Keep believing that fantasy. duffyduff Dec 2013 #132

The mob would do it if they thought this would cover up a greater crime, Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #141

Enough With The Doubleplus ungood JFK Thoughtcrime! Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #53

Yes, I've noticed. pacalo Dec 2013 #177

Yes, I've had my posts hidden by juries. stopbush Dec 2013 #383

here.... spanone Dec 2013 #61

Let's see... Believe in conspiracies or believe what our Government tells us? RC Dec 2013 #62

Therefore you must believe the moon landing was faked too! Electric Monk Dec 2013 #65

Nope. Watched it live from a TV control room. RC Dec 2013 #68

Tar with a broad brush -- aka straw man argumentation BlueStreak Dec 2013 #73

Actually, yours is the straw argument. DanTex Dec 2013 #203

"the actual evidence" BlueStreak Dec 2013 #209

Yes, actual evidence, and actual experts. DanTex Dec 2013 #215

This is the biggest argument against conspiracy, really. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #263

You forgot to mention Jackie's involvement in the plot and cover-up. stopbush Dec 2013 #272

What's wrong with believing in SOME conspiracies and believing the government sometimes stopbush Dec 2013 #108

Why are some things so black and white with some people here. RC Dec 2013 #125

Maybe just look at the evidence. You know, ballistics, witnesses, fingerprints, etc. DanTex Dec 2013 #119

After the unseal the rest of the evidence after 75 years, I'll do that. RC Dec 2013 #126

Actually, the remaining 1% of the documents will be unsealed in 2017. DanTex Dec 2013 #129

Unlike you, mind mind is not made up yet. RC Dec 2013 #135

Some of the info was sealed to protect intelligence methods/contacts. stopbush Dec 2013 #139

I wish I were so sure of shady 3rd parties with an agendas were on the up and up, as you are. RC Dec 2013 #147

And with that broad brush, you've just indicted every Democrat serving in any political position stopbush Dec 2013 #152

Teddy, Boxer, Reid HangOnKids Dec 2013 #156

Why does not Obama's campaign rhetoric agree with his governing? RC Dec 2013 #191

LOL. "I actually have a life". The "too cool for school" defense of ignorance. DanTex Dec 2013 #190

Gawd! It's such a tired whine to proclaim "unlike you, my mind isn't made up yet." stopbush Dec 2013 #377

Agreed. 2017 will be to JFk CTists what 2012 was to Mayan Calendar end timers. stopbush Dec 2013 #137

Interesting info DMessenger Dec 2013 #77

DU Seems to align with the majority of Americans SpcMnky Dec 2013 #88

Correct...About 80 percent of the American people do NOT believe the Warren commission.. whathehell Dec 2013 #341

It's such a good idea to open a discussion berating others' "fantasies" pacalo Dec 2013 #94

Sorry you can't spot a real D when you see one. stopbush Dec 2013 #110

I appreciate knowing more about your history pacalo Dec 2013 #116

I always choose the JFK avatar for Nov-Dec. It's one way of remembering him. stopbush Dec 2013 #133

It's not respectful, imo, to use his image specifically for the months pacalo Dec 2013 #145

Blah blah blah. stopbush Dec 2013 #153

Use the "hide this thread" option instead of shutting down discussion that's important to others. pacalo Dec 2013 #157

Where have I shut down any discussion? stopbush Dec 2013 #161

Your attitude is apparent in your OP. pacalo Dec 2013 #165

My OP simply asks that the CT discussions be moved back to where they once resided. stopbush Dec 2013 #167

Your OP speaks for itself. pacalo Dec 2013 #174

Oh the blah blah blah argument HangOnKids Dec 2013 #158

Nailed it HangOnKids Dec 2013 #154

From what I've seen, he makes it a point to disrupt every JFK thread, pacalo Dec 2013 #164

I have Tea Baggers and Lone Nutters in the same bag. Zen Democrat Dec 2013 #99

You know what human nature dictates? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #100

+1. Hats off to the few worthy souls pushing back the CT morons. sagat Dec 2013 #102

who are you, and what in the holy fuck makes you think you can call a majority of us morons? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #127

181 posts yet served on 96 juries? HangOnKids Dec 2013 #138

Good catch. 181 posts in 6 years, but he's deep into jurisprudence. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #142

I'm Good HangOnKids Dec 2013 #144

You are correct. bvar22 Dec 2013 #103

That's because we have more members too young and too disinterested to care. whathehell Dec 2013 #347

To be honest I really do not stong feelings either way on who killed JFK. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #104

I guess some people just need closure elias7 Dec 2013 #106

Yes and no. DanTex Dec 2013 #117

But there are so many possibilities that have never been ruled out! For example, maybe JFK faked struggle4progress Dec 2013 #128

The problem with your little diatribe is that the difference between THIS issue and any other where sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #143

Holy McMoly! Some people are disagreeing with others on the internet! I bet they're paid by the CIA! struggle4progress Dec 2013 #171

Some people just really love to try and push other people's buttons Samantha Dec 2013 #176

Fifty years after the event, no alternative theory, supported by clear evidence, has appeared: struggle4progress Dec 2013 #184

I think Oswald participated but he was not the only sniper Samantha Dec 2013 #219

Jacqueline Kennedy told the Warren Commission she remembered hearing two shots, not four struggle4progress Dec 2013 #241

Maybe she did only remember hearing two Samantha Dec 2013 #309

She also says she first realized something was wrong when Connally began yelling, at which point struggle4progress Dec 2013 #318

You are right Samantha Dec 2013 #325

Have you ever been brave enough to watch this? BootinUp Dec 2013 #334

I am reluctant to click on this because I am not a braveheart Samantha Dec 2013 #384

This video link does not show BootinUp Dec 2013 #386

Nice! An uber-conspiracy theory. DanTex Dec 2013 #192

Why do you care, stopbush? The Magic Bullet believers post all they want. Octafish Dec 2013 #134

Bazinga! HangOnKids Dec 2013 #146

You are most welcome, HangOnKids! Octafish Dec 2013 #195

I care because people like you distort the record and spout lies about the evidence. stopbush Dec 2013 #149

Do you have children? HangOnKids Dec 2013 #159

Yep. Two of them. stopbush Dec 2013 #160

You used children as an example in one of your replies HangOnKids Dec 2013 #163

Yes. Anyone who is a parent notices the make believe mindset when it arises stopbush Dec 2013 #166

The Single Bullet Theory is just that, a THEORY. Octafish Dec 2013 #194

The theory of gravity is also just a theory... DanTex Dec 2013 #201

Sure. Octafish Dec 2013 #206

Sigh. The "magic" bullet was also deformed. DanTex Dec 2013 #211

'I think it's time to stop treating you as misinformed and start treating you as overtly dishonest.' Octafish Dec 2013 #213

You are dishonest when you introduce a bullet fired directly into DanTex Dec 2013 #216

You're the poster who got angry at me for not explaining an OP written by zappaman. Octafish Dec 2013 #217

Umm, no. I was asking you to back up your claims with evidence. DanTex Dec 2013 #218

No, it's a scientific theory, which is NOT conjecture. stopbush Dec 2013 #222

He is admitting defeat in a round about way. Rex Dec 2013 #197

Thank you, Rex. Octafish Dec 2013 #202

Authoritarians cannot stand a free society or an open forum. Rex Dec 2013 #204

Lookit what the ''authoritative'' JFK debunker John McAdams keeps on his website... Octafish Dec 2013 #208

That the Bush family funded the Nazis was a real eye opener. Rex Dec 2013 #210

lol Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #140

You're still at it with the etched in stone lone gunman theory? brush Dec 2013 #170

Closed minds think alike. dchill Dec 2013 #180

Have you decided the issue should be put to bed ? Wash. state Desk Jet Dec 2013 #189

So you lost, bout time you admitted defeat. Rex Dec 2013 #196

UNREC zappaman Dec 2013 #205

I hear they have no porn in Denmark. Rex Dec 2013 #214

That's because Denmark is too busy coming up with plans... zappaman Dec 2013 #221

Well good! I was getting worried the Moon people Rex Dec 2013 #223

Actually, the fervor with which any talk of alternate explanations is stomped on is very interesting djean111 Dec 2013 #207

What's worse is that those who are pathologically incapable of questioning authority whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #212

Questioning "authority" is one thing, but believing in conspiracies where NONE exist duffyduff Dec 2013 #226

It's as STUPID as ignoring the Mafia-CIA plots to KILL Castro. Octafish Dec 2013 #228

Who is ignoring those plots? The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #232

The media. Octafish Dec 2013 #234

WE are the media. We. Us. You and I in this public forum are the media. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #238

Then why not just ignore these kind of threads? Rex Dec 2013 #243

Because I like free speech. Unlike you and, apparently, the OP. The Midway Rebel Dec 2013 #249

You mean the Kennedy plots to kill Castro? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #265

DULLES entered into the contract with the MAFIA in 1960. Octafish Dec 2013 #291

Operation Mongoose was authorised in November 1961 by JFK. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #292

So what? JFK ordered Castro assassination program to stop. Octafish Dec 2013 #343

Funny, that isn't what Desmond FitzGerald thought Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #345

The same Desmond Fitzgerald who lied when he met Mafia-hired killer Rolando Cubela? Octafish Dec 2013 #351

Lied at the direction of Richard Helms Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #354

Colonel Oliver North said something along those very same lines to the Tower Commission. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #246

Evidence isn't authority cpwm17 Dec 2013 #227

There was no evidence because there was no chain of custody on the so-called "evidence." Zen Democrat Dec 2013 #257

Simply wrong...again. Anyone surprised? stopbush Dec 2013 #261

Who shot JFK? has been eclipsed by Pope-a-palooza...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #220

So you believe that in-house assassinations (Indira, Benazir, Anwar, e.g.) happen only elsewhere? OK WinkyDink Dec 2013 #244

That's not an argument. The fact is Oswald did it alone as did Ruby. n/t duffyduff Dec 2013 #269

The "Two Lone Nuts" theory! Fozzledick Dec 2013 #294

I think Oswald shot JFK but I think it goes way deeper than that. Mrdrboi Dec 2013 #251

President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy Omaha Steve Dec 2013 #295

No, he wasn't. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #333

Pres. Obama recently appointed Cass R. Sunstein snot Dec 2013 #302

Full of yourself - aren't you. 840high Dec 2013 #307

so...the House Select Committee on Assassinations was filled with nuts? yurbud Dec 2013 #326

"Hello, I don't actually know what the HSCA said!" Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #328

"Hello, you don't understand our government nearly as much as you think you do", lol. whathehell Dec 2013 #349

that's a good addition, thanks. yurbud Dec 2013 #369

The general relative lack of interest in JFK and questions about the Warren Report JDPriestly Dec 2013 #335

If there was a "general lack of interest in JFK and questions about the Warren Report" I doubt whathehell Dec 2013 #344

There is PLENTY of interest in both. It's just that modern forensics duffyduff Dec 2013 #371

My theory is that Oswald did it, but that he was encouraged to do it by third parties whose JDPriestly Dec 2013 #373

My theory as well.. whathehell Dec 2013 #378

I seeeee the light! Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #357

Methodical Refutation Always Seems to Take a While On the Road Dec 2013 #372