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Tien1985

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278. Ok, porn discussion aside,

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:57 AM

Dec 2013

Please stop using "transgenders" as a word--that's actually pretty offensive. I don't want to start a whole argument here, but what you are saying there, and how you are saying it really isn't okay if you support the trans* community.

If you are talking about a transwoman, meaning someone who who was assigned male at birth and identifies as female, then they would be considered a female. Many are oppressed in their careers, kicked out of their families and many have turned to prostitution to survive. How transwomen are portrayed in porn is actually a pretty substantial problem for that community, and not just an off-hand joke.

There are also transmen, people who were assigned female at birth and identify as male. They also face a lot of prejudice and oppression, although they are not as often represented in porn.

Further, there are trans* people who are non-binary and they are not represented pretty much anywhere, and are sometimes even oppressed by others in the trans* community.

Similar to any cisgendered person of either sex, a trans* person can be the target of misogyny and/misandry. In the same way that a cisgendered man is harmed by misogyny because it implies that men always have to suppress emotions (for just one example).

Please stop and reconsider how you speak about trans* people.

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Is porn bad now? I find it a weird topic for anything called "Democratic Underground"... [View all] whttevrr Dec 2013 OP

Its a tiny group of feminists who are telling us about the evils of porn quinnox Dec 2013 #1

A small group, yes but they've taken bullying and shouting to obnoxious new levels. n/t leeroysphitz Dec 2013 #2

yep, this is one of those topics that really gets them crusading quinnox Dec 2013 #3

yep, and they congregate in their safe-haven forum BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #161

Remember meta? Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #181

oh yes! BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #220

I t kind of looks more balanced to me el_bryanto Dec 2013 #5

What!? whttevrr Dec 2013 #9

Yes, the natural follow up to The Pit Bull Wars LordGlenconner Dec 2013 #42

Oh, ok... whttevrr Dec 2013 #47

I long for the days of the Great Foreskin Debates.... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #88

Ohhhh... It seems It is hard... whttevrr Dec 2013 #7

What are the.... NCTraveler Dec 2013 #112

Really? whttevrr Dec 2013 #117

I thought they were Rick Santorum supporters. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #23

That's really low. historylovr Dec 2013 #110

Oh.... bullshit. hunter Dec 2013 #71

Any hints as to where to start? greiner3 Dec 2013 #106

+1 nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #177

Some days are better than others .... MindMover Dec 2013 #203

Oh dear, did SRS find its way to DU? Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #82

Slight correction, a small group that use the COVER of being feminists to inflict their Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Dec 2013 #97

Oh good, so happy that you have figured me out Tumbulu Dec 2013 #274

on some days hfojvt Dec 2013 #276

I don't bother to try to figure any of you out. Most of the anti-porn crowd here, Freud would Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #287

Oh, boy. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #4

You're witnessing an era of prudishness that is, frankly, embarrassing. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #6

"don't like any form of porn or nudity or discussion about sex" Scout Dec 2013 #10

well, I think it is embarrassing to see people who ought to know better still kvetching about CTyankee Dec 2013 #139

It's not prudishness, rrneck Dec 2013 #144

If it doesn't fit the doctrine, it must be evil? xulamaude Dec 2013 #155

Every ideology has a fundamentalist streak. rrneck Dec 2013 #164

"orgy of emotional projection and sanctimony" xulamaude Dec 2013 #165

Then why don't you solve the problem for us. rrneck Dec 2013 #166

That's great. Ask me to solve the problem. xulamaude Dec 2013 #169

Indeed, you may not think it's a problem. rrneck Dec 2013 #171

You are not used to being 'silenced', are you? xulamaude Dec 2013 #179

I'm not used to backing down when I'm being insulted. rrneck Dec 2013 #187

"Do you think porn is bad?" xulamaude Dec 2013 #209

You're free to qualify in any way you see fit. rrneck Dec 2013 #210

No, thank you. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #212

rrneck I support what you are saying anneboleyn Dec 2013 #214

And I yours. rrneck Dec 2013 #217

When you say "women", do you include MTF transsexuals in that category? Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #194

Of course. xulamaude Dec 2013 #208

Indeed. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #221

Speak for yourself. polly7 Dec 2013 #222

"who doesn't say exactly what she feels." xulamaude Dec 2013 #227

You said 'most women', which I assumed included most of us. polly7 Dec 2013 #228

Yes. I meant "most" to include most women on planet Earth xulamaude Dec 2013 #229

As do I. polly7 Dec 2013 #230

Okay. The rest of your post makes your point clear. xulamaude Dec 2013 #231

I do include the trafficking of every human being. polly7 Dec 2013 #232

"Why are you trying to imply" & "Isn't that a bit self-serving?" xulamaude Dec 2013 #233

You really need to make up your mind. polly7 Dec 2013 #234

And thanks again. I'll keep that in mind. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #235

Heh "it's irrational to dislike porn" thanks for that 'rational' contribution. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #192

Close but no cigar. rrneck Dec 2013 #195

There's not much to do in the real world re: porn, that ship sailed long ago. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #197

I agree. rrneck Dec 2013 #200

It's a big mistake to conflate sex and porn. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #189

Oh this is ridiculous Tumbulu Dec 2013 #275

You would be hard-pressed, my friend, to tie anything I've written to violence against women. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #277

well calling anyone who is concerned about normalizing Tumbulu Dec 2013 #279

Simple question. Bonobo Dec 2013 #281

What you and your partner do are not my business Tumbulu Dec 2013 #295

More cluelessness about what porn really is about. duffyduff Dec 2013 #8

You're confabulating a conflation of illegal and legal. whttevrr Dec 2013 #11

Have you ever heard of a porn convention? giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #45

ACN is the second biggest convention of the year here. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #104

and I bet nobody was there bound and gaggged? giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #125

That's always been the problem in both porn and prostitution. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #142

Yeppers, it's amazing if you compare the US to giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #149

...but one must never, ever acknowledge that. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #154

lololol my kids grew up on South Beach giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #159

99% of the porn out there is homemade. LAGC Dec 2013 #167

this is the disconnect that i see on DU, its like porn is stuck in 1970 loli phabay Dec 2013 #168

And every time the prudes post any kind of"study" showing how "exploitative" porn is... LAGC Dec 2013 #170

To a certain extent, people see what they want to see. Hence the black-and-white thinking nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #183

yup on both sides, but this disconnect to whats on the internet confuses me loli phabay Dec 2013 #184

Or they focus on the minority of material that is overtly violent and abusive. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #190

DU as a population has a lot of baby boomers. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #191

I've tried to beat a couple of the anti-porners over the head with that fact. Xithras Dec 2013 #237

There are still plenty of links to traditional pay sites, and they obviously make plenty of money R B Garr Dec 2013 #273

It's the latest "crusade". HappyMe Dec 2013 #12

I don't know... whttevrr Dec 2013 #13

Yes, any reasonable person would think that. HappyMe Dec 2013 #15

Yeah, they usually just chalk that up to internalized misogyny. name not needed Dec 2013 #17

What? HappyMe Dec 2013 #26

More than that. tammywammy Dec 2013 #30

I have yet to receive my pat. LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #108

Each of us 'da menz' on DU take turns doing the DU patting. We each get an hour. stevenleser Dec 2013 #109

I got my pat! polly7 Dec 2013 #114

Yeah... cuz for a minute there I was like: whttevrr Dec 2013 #118

yeah sorry, whatevrr .... polly7 Dec 2013 #124

There was an OP handing out boyfriends??? LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #120

Darn, I'm taking * for a massive headache and not making myself clear. polly7 Dec 2013 #129

lol whttevrr Dec 2013 #130

That's ok, Lady.. There's enough of me to go around! opiate69 Dec 2013 #267

I'm happy to share if Polly and the wife don't mind LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #268

Pat pat pat, cuddle:) grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #242

Yep, and called dogs by other women. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #119

Geez. How has that not been hidden? LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #121

No idea. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #123

Not nice at all LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #131

Thanks Lady. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #143

In honor of your sig LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #150

That was terrible! Sissyk Dec 2013 #178

Wow. Classy. polly7 Dec 2013 #135

Yup. nt RiffRandell Dec 2013 #145

Maybe that poster will do another one of their epic mass self-deletes. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #182

wow RainDog Dec 2013 #226

fwiw RainDog Dec 2013 #255

I appreciate your post, but I think it was directed at me. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #256

hugs to you RainDog Dec 2013 #257

fyi RainDog Dec 2013 #270

Well, to hear some say it... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #25

You mean women don't like being looked at? whttevrr Dec 2013 #50

They tell me it's to make themselves feel good, so... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #52

Copy That... whttevrr Dec 2013 #54

One study claimed that a third of Internet porn viewers are women. Which doesn't strike me nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #185

Some people are obsessed with porn...Be a porn star one day, anti porn crusader the next! snooper2 Dec 2013 #14

lol! HappyMe Dec 2013 #18

Guess we should't tell them about porn conventions then? giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #49

Shhh! HappyMe Dec 2013 #57

I grew up in Florida, the strip clubs always had giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #62

Strange that on a progressive board we're talking about limits on sexuality LittleBlue Dec 2013 #16

You aren't kidding! NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #19

Agreed LittleBlue Dec 2013 #21

Yeah, it is quite disconcerting. whttevrr Dec 2013 #29

That's because they have DEFINED porn that way MNBrewer Dec 2013 #98

so we aren't supposed to talk about workers being exploited? KittyWampus Dec 2013 #20

There's no concern here for workers LittleBlue Dec 2013 #28

"It's a thinly-veiled cover for their sexual issues." xulamaude Dec 2013 #148

If it was really about that you'd think they'd start threads about it. tammywammy Dec 2013 #36

This is the United States NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #46

So, porn based on exploiting and abusing workers= just fine cause a few DU'ers KittyWampus Dec 2013 #22

the problem is that some people cant differentiate between the words consent and non consent loli phabay Dec 2013 #27

sorry, but I'm entititled to my OPINION about porn. cali Dec 2013 #33

you can have an opinion, but do i care what it is, no loli phabay Dec 2013 #38

Libertinism was born in pre-Revolution France. It seems appropriate for it to become "new again" now KittyWampus Dec 2013 #34

so tell me how is that consent manufactured with amateur cam to cam porn loli phabay Dec 2013 #41

tell me the proportional relationship is between Walmart and that little gift shop on the corner. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #151

you still have not answered the question, not that i expect you too loli phabay Dec 2013 #158

Boners are more important than principles. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #188

Yes, I feel so sorry for these poor exploited/abused workers... EX500rider Dec 2013 #218

so now we're not supposed to have an opinion that YOU don't like? fuck that shit cali Dec 2013 #24

Nooo... whttevrr Dec 2013 #35

uh, no you didn't. you asked rhetorical questions that clearly depicted your opinion. cali Dec 2013 #64

It wasn't entirely rhetorical... But are you now saying that I can't express my opinion? whttevrr Dec 2013 #67

express it all you wish, just don't bullshit about it being a couple of questions. cali Dec 2013 #76

Well, to be fair rrneck Dec 2013 #81

The idea that you're "entitled" to an opinion about what other consenting adults do MNBrewer Dec 2013 #99

you cant tell the morality police to butt out, they are there to save us loli phabay Dec 2013 #116

+10000 giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #163

Weird over reaction much? TransitJohn Dec 2013 #269

Is Fox News bad? DanTex Dec 2013 #31

I wouldn't vote to lock a thread on porn, unless you go where no one should go. Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #32

legal with consenting adults is what I am talking about. whttevrr Dec 2013 #39

I was on that jury pintobean Dec 2013 #40

When can we move on to smoking, or the Olive Garden? How about fat people? That's always a 300 MADem Dec 2013 #37

I love my porn with fat smoking people taterguy Dec 2013 #43

You're sick... whttevrr Dec 2013 #53

So? taterguy Dec 2013 #55

It seems safe to judge you... whttevrr Dec 2013 #65

OMG--that certainly sounds like a "Taterguy exception" to me.... MADem Dec 2013 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #265

Olive Oil? Prevert! n/t cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #85

Smoking while covered in olive oil? Isn't that dangerous? ;-) n/t eggplant Dec 2013 #94

No but getting the stray ashes off your body is a pain taterguy Dec 2013 #102

It's like being low tarred and feathered. ;-) eggplant Dec 2013 #215

tough break cemaphonic Dec 2013 #156

Speaking of fat people, I was just listening to Terry Gross... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #58

"Gross!" That last name has a rather "weighty" root! MADem Dec 2013 #75

I eat too much lillypaddle Dec 2013 #91

I resemble that remark! MADem Dec 2013 #93

Yeah, it sucks lillypaddle Dec 2013 #175

OK, here's a few.. TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #238

LOL! lillypaddle Dec 2013 #247

Laughter creates endorphins, and burns calories too! nt MADem Dec 2013 #266

Of course lillypaddle Dec 2013 #271

You forgot Red Velvet... whttevrr Dec 2013 #289

And .... puddin'!!!! MADem Dec 2013 #290

Meh, puddin I can pass by easily... whttevrr Dec 2013 #292

I can pass up cake! Regular cake, cupcakes--I have great willpower with those... MADem Dec 2013 #293

I wasn't here for kudzu. Sissyk Dec 2013 #95

OMG, I forgot about that 'un! MADem Dec 2013 #96

Moon Bombing Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #240

The Moon Bombing I read. Sissyk Dec 2013 #259

What happened ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #44

Yeah, rape porn is fucked up... whttevrr Dec 2013 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2013 #260

I don't think I deserve congratulations... whttevrr Dec 2013 #262

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2013 #264

Liberalism is largely dead, replaced by tedious Orwellian authoritarianism cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #48

Agree with that last paragraph ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #51

If by zooming you mean insulting, then I'm pretty sure that most of the blame resides with that EOTE Dec 2013 #294

The reason there are no real comedy porn movies is because porn movies are laughable already. Lint Head Dec 2013 #56

lol, your watching the wrong kind buddy. loli phabay Dec 2013 #59

Used to be a fair number of hilarious porn flicks back when... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #60

to be fair i think its hilarious if its not your kink so to speak, loli phabay Dec 2013 #63

Furry porn? Where is THAT... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #69

i cant link to it here, but there are a few forums that cater to it loli phabay Dec 2013 #72

Oh, man... that's gonna shake up some people... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #73

Well, I just goggled... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #239

the best way to actually ahem view it is through a dedicated website loli phabay Dec 2013 #249

Ever watch the movie "One Eyed Monster"? ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #66

Sounds familiar, but we're going back many years and I barely remember... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #70

Oh this one is only a few years old ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #78

I'll look for it. There have been porn/horror... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #80

Never saw it. Sounds interesting. Lint Head Dec 2013 #133

We have a few DUers who call threads "sexist" and "porn" far too often. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #68

Hah... Amazon came! whttevrr Dec 2013 #74

Smart TV? I don't even have a Smart PHONE!!!!! nt MADem Dec 2013 #207

Not today... ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #77

which Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #89

Try reading one of the threads, instead of just the title Scootaloo Dec 2013 #83

I'm not afraid of it. rrneck Dec 2013 #87

Is anyone really advocating rape porn here? whttevrr Dec 2013 #105

I didn't say they were Scootaloo Dec 2013 #113

+1. It certainly is something. historylovr Dec 2013 #115

In the context of the law under discussion LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #173

No, that would be the broad brush gollygee Dec 2013 #122

Yeah, I really have to wonder who actually "gets off" on some of this stuff. Rather scary thought. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #205

Thank you! smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #263

In the original thread, there were several saying it's fine muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #153

In a time when rrneck Dec 2013 #84

"Let's you and him fight." klook Dec 2013 #86

It's just the Dworkinites Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #92

So, in your opinion, everyone loves porn except the Rick Santorums and Andrew Dworkins of the world? geek tragedy Dec 2013 #193

That's Andrea Dworkin.. Upton Dec 2013 #201

No, but I suspect were one to get a full, honest, statistical assesment of the situation Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #223

Don't put words in my mouth Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #253

This is another opportunity for the self-righteous to bully others that they rhett o rick Dec 2013 #100

Just a few clarifications... It's not a rhetorical device to enforce my opinion. whttevrr Dec 2013 #101

I imagine social issues cross various strata's of perceived rights... LanternWaste Dec 2013 #103

DU is getting to be a tough place to be lately..... Bennyboy Dec 2013 #107

Skip the dramatics. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #136

agree with this cbdo2007 Dec 2013 #141

He had a thread hidden today pintobean Dec 2013 #162

Wow. JTFrog Dec 2013 #285

For one.... NCTraveler Dec 2013 #111

Most people only go to their jobs because of a monetary incentive... davidn3600 Dec 2013 #126

I don't get your line of thinking. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #128

You stated that women only do porn because of the money and therefore it isn't true "consent" davidn3600 Dec 2013 #140

Your analogy is baseless. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #137

Yikes! whttevrr Dec 2013 #127

To start your reply you put words in my mouth. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #134

lol whttevrr Dec 2013 #146

I myself would have gone with the OP in its entirety if we're voting for... LanternWaste Dec 2013 #174

Excellent U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #280

Ok, porn discussion aside, Tien1985 Dec 2013 #278

Yes, it was troglodytic of me... whttevrr Dec 2013 #283

It's fine Tien1985 Dec 2013 #288

Wrong LittleBlue Dec 2013 #138

This. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #147

+1. Laelth Dec 2013 #254

Most porn has nothing to do with monetary incentive, Codeine Dec 2013 #225

Why would you equate Democrats with porn? That's what my Fundie Republican in-laws do. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #132

I don't equate Democrats with porn. whttevrr Dec 2013 #152

"Is porn bad now?" ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #157

There will always be a demand for porn, B Calm Dec 2013 #160

The authoritarian feminists want to try to bring back the Feminist Sex War of the 80s... davidn3600 Dec 2013 #172

No, not at all. JimboBillyBubbaBob Dec 2013 #176

People like sex. People like cameras. People like computers and tvs. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #180

But..... but...... but......!!! MADem Dec 2013 #196

But I DO support their right to do so. I even encourage and assist it. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #198

Thank you Warren maddezmom Dec 2013 #199

Jus' tryin to help! Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #204

What DU needs is a good PORN GROUP, then!!!!! MADem Dec 2013 #206

there is a good 50% of this place that I stopped taking seriously a while back. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #241

The train wreck is the PARTY, then....! MADem Dec 2013 #243

Yeah, we were discussing Andy Kaufman, right? Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #244

OMG, that website is a GEM!!!! MADem Dec 2013 #245

:D Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #246

Great website! Bonobo Dec 2013 #248

Porn isn't sex, it's capitalism. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #186

There's a number of thinmgs going on Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #202

There's about a half dozen militant wannabe censors. 99Forever Dec 2013 #211

lol. they really hate it when you simply act too squicky for them to deal with. eggplant Dec 2013 #216

Squicky? 99Forever Dec 2013 #219

Urban Dictionary is your friend eggplant Dec 2013 #224

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #213

Unfortunately a lot of DU's are not for freedom on a lot of topics. hugo_from_TN Dec 2013 #236

Oh... cuz it's squicky? whttevrr Dec 2013 #250

It's someone's personal campaign GladRagDahl Dec 2013 #251

Touche' whttevrr Dec 2013 #252

fwiw RainDog Dec 2013 #258

I dont think Porn is bad. I look at it often. Mrdrboi Dec 2013 #261

Pornography isn't what drives human trafficking or rapes Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #272

On the plus side, we didn't really have to have a giant argument on the ethics of turkey eating over Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #282

If I aided in the dissolution of the Turkey Eating Debate in any way... whttevrr Dec 2013 #284

It's like a corollary to the idea "when one door closes, another one opens" Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #286

It seems most people here agree. whttevrr Dec 2013 #291

this thread is about building a caricature, with absolutely no sustenance in a single post. yet, seabeyond Dec 2013 #296

I take exception to your caricaturization of the portrayal of 'the women' on DU. It's hyperbolic... whttevrr Dec 2013 #297