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16. I am not a zealot. I am a pragmatist.

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:07 AM

Dec 2013

It just so happens that progressives have been right about just about everything over the last 15 years and republicans have been wrong about everything. That is why I am a progressive.

A progressive point of view is a thinking person's point of view. It is the point of view of a person that is aware of what is going on in this country. While I am sure that there are some that feel liberalism in their souls like a religion, it is certainly not necessary to feel it in this way to arrive at the same conclusions.

Is it a good thing for republicans that they always stand by their pundits, no matter what they say? Maybe that keeps their 26ish% base happy, but I think it also turns a lot of people off, particularly the kind of people they need to win elections in non-gerrymandered districts.

Bashir made very distasteful comments. They were also completely unnecessary as Sarah Palin has no influence whatsoever on anyone that is not already unreachable by facts or reason. I see no logical reason for me to feel outrage at the outcome of this incident just because Bashir is on the same side of the political spectrum as I am.

Progressives do not win converts by taking the low road followed by the lunatic right-wing pundits. Can you imagine Rachael Maddow or Chris Hayes making the comments made by Bashir? I can't.

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The Fate of Martin Bashir... [View all] MrScorpio Dec 2013 OP

Well said...Martin quit..I've quit MSNBC HipChick Dec 2013 #1

play back to back episodes of LockUp warrant46 Dec 2013 #35

Martin was the one bright spot on MSNBC's afternoon lineup. Lugnut Dec 2013 #2

Well said. Martin quit, but I won't quit the ONLY network that has Liberals on. BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #3

I totally agree, it would be unfair to the others on MSNBC to quit watching. nt Raine Dec 2013 #38

Here is the problem Samantha Dec 2013 #66

Just add Martin to the pile of discarded left learning people montanacowboy Dec 2013 #4

That's because the job of MSNBC is to appear liberal, not be liberal. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #27

Number one response. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #41

So Maddow, Hayes, Wagner, Tweety, O'Donnel et al aren't liberals? stopbush Dec 2013 #42

Center right. Pro Syrian war as I recall. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #60

I see you using the Just Asking Questions technique. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #61

I have to disagree. stopbush Dec 2013 #5

You know Martin? HangOnKids Dec 2013 #7

Cynics are a dime a dozen... stopbush Dec 2013 #8

Oh do you have a sad? HangOnKids Dec 2013 #10

It was pure cowardice and fear of the right wing. madfloridian Dec 2013 #9

+1 a significant amount.......nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #40

While I think what Bashir said was mercymechap Dec 2013 #15

You guys all have it.. sendero Dec 2013 #34

Last I looked, Ds hold the WH and the Senate. stopbush Dec 2013 #43

Yeah.. sendero Dec 2013 #45

I live in California, and we are in GREAT shape. stopbush Dec 2013 #47

Honestly...... mercymechap Dec 2013 #72

"do we really want to stoop to the Faux N""ews and GOP level" ProfessorGAC Dec 2013 #68

I agree. renie408 Dec 2013 #53

I stand by what he said. And I dont think "he was disappointed in himself" How condescending. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #62

This is another "You didn't build it" moment. Archaic Dec 2013 #6

omg Oscarmonster13 Dec 2013 #21

Call PHIL GRIFFIN & Demand They Reinstate Martin Bashir-212 664-2456 Polly Tics Dec 2013 #70

+10000 Digital Puppy Dec 2013 #23

I want Bashir Back! dem in texas Dec 2013 #11

You make a good point.... JohnnyRingo Dec 2013 #14

I gave up on MSNBC too. SoapBox Dec 2013 #12

K&R JohnnyRingo Dec 2013 #13

I am not a zealot. I am a pragmatist. fbc Dec 2013 #16

I watched that particular commentary when as it happened MrScorpio Dec 2013 #19

I watched the segment and didn't think that Bashir said that someone should shit in Palins bluestate10 Dec 2013 #64

+1 renie408 Dec 2013 #54

Say it isn't so! Hekate Dec 2013 #17

I have given up on MSNBC DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #18

Every time I Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #22

So, MSNBC is more fair and balanced than Faux. stopbush Dec 2013 #44

I'm not implying that is necessarily bad, Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #52

And to fall on the sword of Sarah Palin is probably the unkindest cut of all. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2013 #20

Agreed.. Digital Puppy Dec 2013 #24

I don't understand PADemD Dec 2013 #63

Have you never seen the show? Do you not realize that it's very conversational? SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2013 #65

What Martin said was not conversational, it was a comment. PADemD Dec 2013 #67

Let's get Martin back luckykate54 Dec 2013 #25

+1 grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #28

K&R n/t Feral Child Dec 2013 #26

We should use this Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #29

But did he not merely call her an idiot, grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #30

That's because we are always supposed to be "nice". Watch what happens to someone who honestly Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #31

Agreed. Until we use The Bus to strike the bad guys MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #32

I'm still pissed off what they did to Keith Olbermann. B Calm Dec 2013 #33

One or two people made this decision, afaik. Laelth Dec 2013 #36

We're all upset malaise Dec 2013 #37

Chis Hayes had on guest Michele Rhee giving her expert analysis of the failure of public education. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #39

Agreed. Rhee is a complete RW tool. Plus, she was extremely condescending to Hayes. stopbush Dec 2013 #46

I thought Wolfowitz got the upper hand on Hayes. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #58

Sorry...dump him brooklynite Dec 2013 #48

Hell, we do it to our own that DON'T screw up - look at bullwinkle428 Dec 2013 #49

I did not realize I owned msnbc nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #50

George W Bush committed murder, ruined the economy and got away with it. Lint Head Dec 2013 #51

Bashir wasn't dropped by the Left. Cleita Dec 2013 #55

Sad. madamesilverspurs Dec 2013 #56

ACORN is perhaps the best example Stevepol Dec 2013 #57

Kicking. pacalo Dec 2013 #59

Bill O'Reilly comments has Dr. George Tiller murdered B Calm Dec 2013 #69

He isn't deserving of support. He is what is called a "yellow journalist." duffyduff Dec 2013 #71

One of the very best H2O Man Dec 2013 #73