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JoePhilly

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50. They didn't need the courts before, they could just exclude BC

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:09 PM

Dec 2013

if they wanted to. And if so, too bad for the women who worked for them.

Of course most of these Religious folks didn't exclude BC because there was no political gain to be obtained.

Its a political fight, not a fight of conscience.

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No, you can't deny women their basic rights and pretend it's about your 'religious freedom'. [View all] Playinghardball Dec 2013 OP

Is this actually a direct quote? MsPithy Dec 2013 #1

If he didn't say it Half-Century Man Dec 2013 #2

It had better be a quote.... daleanime Dec 2013 #4

I would bet real cashmoney Obama never said this. MsPithy Dec 2013 #17

You are absolutely correct -- n/t mazzarro Dec 2013 #91

I have to say, it doesn't ring true...................nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #108

Damn Skippy Half-Century Man Dec 2013 #32

Unholy peanut butter? daleanime Dec 2013 #93

I hope it's real...It's long past time it was said in those terms...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2013 #3

Prior to the mandate this was never an issue. The mandate created this mess. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #5

Hate of Obama caused it - not the mandate FreeState Dec 2013 #8

Not everyone with a potential conscience exception does business in CA. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #16

What freedom of access? hfojvt Dec 2013 #19

We agree 142.85% Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #22

So, I take it you're against SNAP? n/t kcr Dec 2013 #35

Actually, including birth control as a part of health insurance is, for many women, a health issue. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #89

Exactly, it's a health issue. laundry_queen Dec 2013 #114

Um, duh. The mandate is for the purpose of keeping third parties out of it. ZRT2209 Dec 2013 #10

Then it has obviously failed spectacularly to achieve its stated objective. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #13

because right wing assholes are fighting it? what's your solution - roll over and take it? ZRT2209 Dec 2013 #14

I want employers out of the business of influencing whether or not I have access to BC. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #18

PPFA clinics have been and continue to be shut down BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #85

Then let's prohibit employers from providing insurance at all. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #90

If you have ever worked for a company that provided health insurance ... JoePhilly Dec 2013 #15

You claim -- Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #20

Did I say ALL BC everywhere is always covered? JoePhilly Dec 2013 #25

Based on your previously unqualified declaration my response was on the mark. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #27

Again, John Boehner awaits your call on this very important distinction. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #36

In other words Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #39

I think you don't have an actual argument in the first place. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #41

The situation never happened prior to the HHS mandate. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #42

How do you propose for this "decoupling" to occur? JoePhilly Dec 2013 #43

The coupling of 3rd parties to BC is an HHS construct. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #51

its clear your access to BC doesn't change regardless of JoePhilly Dec 2013 #55

"So why do you care?" Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #61

No, I did not agree it was accessible or affordable. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #62

Your employer won't know kcr Dec 2013 #63

The government has decreed that all employers are responsible for BC. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #68

Then BC falls freely from the sky like rain I guess. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #71

Exactly. They're no more paying for birth control then they are paying for colonoscopies. kcr Dec 2013 #74

yup ... two words ... "total compensation" JoePhilly Dec 2013 #77

Then it's a battle lost kcr Dec 2013 #72

No, the insurance companies declare birth control to be a part of health care. Half-Century Man Dec 2013 #113

HIPPA ... but, but ... that's another LAW ... ARGHHHH!!!!!!!! JoePhilly Dec 2013 #69

Since I've previously refuted your past effort to employ this straw man argument Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #75

You argue that (a) you don't want your employer to control your access JoePhilly Dec 2013 #78

Horseshit MountainLaurel Dec 2013 #23

Horse poo to your horse poo Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #30

This was never an issue? kcr Dec 2013 #26

Please show me the pre-mandate court cases where an employer could interefere Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #28

Wow. In Nuclear Unicorn World, everyone could afford effective birth control, too. kcr Dec 2013 #33

You obviously don't know much about birth control. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #37

Ever hear about what's happening to family planning clinics? kcr Dec 2013 #40

"Otherwise, we'd still have child labor, with little bodies working in the coal mines." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #48

How does it not apply? kcr Dec 2013 #52

So, we should let the guy in this lawsuit WIN ... cause low cost BC exists. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #44

Yes. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #49

Because its not low cost and easy access for everyone. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #53

Bingo on your last sentence kcr Dec 2013 #54

exactly. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #57

Ah yes, the "(s)he does't care enough" legal precedent. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #64

Try Texas. Here ... JoePhilly Dec 2013 #65

Texas, for one kcr Dec 2013 #67

Ding ding ding!!! JoePhilly Dec 2013 #70

They didn't need the courts before, they could just exclude BC JoePhilly Dec 2013 #50

"They didn't need the courts before, they could just exclude BC if they wanted to." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #56

Rand, is that you??? JoePhilly Dec 2013 #58

That was my first thought! kcr Dec 2013 #59

YUP ... after all the back and forth ... JoePhilly Dec 2013 #60

He never said it, though he's said similar things. NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #6

Fake quote pintobean Dec 2013 #7

That's certainly what he should say FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #9

If It's Fake, Take It Down BodieTown Dec 2013 #11

Just change it slightly Half-Century Man Dec 2013 #34

So that we have many fake speakers portrayed instead of only one? merrily Dec 2013 #98

Okay. Get a signed release from all persons portrayed. Half-Century Man Dec 2013 #111

If I work for a Muslim company, will I have to follow Sharia law? perdita9 Dec 2013 #12

What do you mean by Sharia law? el_bryanto Dec 2013 #21

It is about time someone said that. The rethugs continue to try to establish their theocracy while jwirr Dec 2013 #24

Amen! calimary Dec 2013 #29

Wish I could rec, but won't do it if the quote isn't genuine. bullwinkle428 Dec 2013 #31

Whether it's a direct quote or not... 2naSalit Dec 2013 #38

Just returned to my office and saw all of the comments concerning this post... Playinghardball Dec 2013 #45

Why don't you edit it to state that while the quote certainly expresses the President's opinion grantcart Dec 2013 #66

Don't you think that folks on this board already know that it expresses the President's opinion? Playinghardball Dec 2013 #73

The issue is that it is presented as a direct quote which appears to be a misattribution. grantcart Dec 2013 #79

Recs trump honesty pintobean Dec 2013 #87

Recs trump sanity for some. grantcart Dec 2013 #88

This isn't a conservative website - it's fact-based! If this isn't an exact quote the thread ... JEFF9K Dec 2013 #46

That's ridiculous kcr Dec 2013 #47

The trouble with quotes posted on the internet... Playinghardball Dec 2013 #80

Not true. If you are careful you can and this is bogus. merrily Dec 2013 #97

Sorry, you voted for deception. merrily Dec 2013 #99

You mean, someone might think the president thinks women should have access to birth control? kcr Dec 2013 #109

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU Skittles Dec 2013 #76

Wow, surely our President's statement on basis rights will be received as heretical and pure heresy indepat Dec 2013 #81

Didn't find anything on the internet to suggest that he said this. merrily Dec 2013 #96

Nice speech. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #82

It would be, if Obama had actually said it. merrily Dec 2013 #100

You should pull this bogus post down TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #83

I could not agree more. I cannot believe a jury voted to let deception stand. merrily Dec 2013 #101

YES! HELL. Fucking. YES! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #84

Search of the Internet gives no indication that Obama ever said this. merrily Dec 2013 #94

You can't deny people basic rights PERIOD and Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #86

I like this Obama quote. avaistheone1 Dec 2013 #92

It's not an obama quote. merrily Dec 2013 #95

I cannot believe a jury voted to let this deceptive OP stand. merrily Dec 2013 #102

I can't believe how many people come here and alert just to see B Calm Dec 2013 #103

You prefer to have a bogus post to stand to confuse people?. merrily Dec 2013 #104

uhhh, maybe because of your comment in post 102? B Calm Dec 2013 #105

Which does not say that I am the one who alerted, nor was I the one. Why would you merrily Dec 2013 #106

Nor did I say you were the one who alerted. I B Calm Dec 2013 #107

False attributions are not cool. TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #112

Great quote! egduj Dec 2013 #110