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3. And our evident candidate for president...

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Fri Dec 6, 2013, 04:36 AM

Dec 2013

Hillary, is amongst the bunch. Ex Walmart board member, still a 1%er.

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As I understand the Third Way argument, we have to cut Social Security, and if we don't [View all] Recursion Dec 2013 OP

The third way... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #1

Evidently, a lot of Democrats, and quite successfully, too. djean111 Dec 2013 #2

And our evident candidate for president... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #3

Hillary, Queen of the DLC. Wanna be GOP. Fools plenty of DEMs, though! blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #5

What really sucks about our system... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #20

That doesn't matter tazkcmo Dec 2013 #62

If she wins the primary I will vote for her... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #65

ok tazkcmo Dec 2013 #66

Getting Republicans to vote for them is not the point. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #30

Like the old... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #36

That is not the point. RC Dec 2013 #37

Yes, what used to be the tenets of the Democratic party are now jeered at as djean111 Dec 2013 #40

Goes right along with the "who else you gonna vote for" gang. L0oniX Dec 2013 #58

I don't believe anyone ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #67

That's why they infiltrated the Dem Party. They know that some people will vote for sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #38

I blame both Clintons for this ...and that's putting it mild enough to avoid the jury clowns. L0oniX Dec 2013 #59

I do too but they were not the architects of the DLC, and I wish we had known more about sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #70

They're republicans with somewhat more leftist social views IMO Populist_Prole Dec 2013 #29

The problem with means testing... Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #4

Examples? (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2013 #9

Well, I'm British Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #10

Okay, so a little hyperbole? thesquanderer Dec 2013 #12

Maybe a bit hyperbolic Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #14

Food Stamps, Medicaid, Welfare, CHIP jeff47 Dec 2013 #17

That's exactly what would happen AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #25

Here in the states, means testing an entitlement program makes it legally welfare FogerRox Dec 2013 #48

The Third Way is Bearheim Dec 2013 #6

Bingo Aerows Dec 2013 #81

All they gotta do is lift the cap on income re: contributions, problem solved forever. silvershadow Dec 2013 #7

Benefits paid are based on what is paid in joeglow3 Dec 2013 #15

There's a cap on payouts. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2013 #18

The cap is on income, see AIME forula. the top benefit is about 31k FogerRox Dec 2013 #49

I have no problem with seeing the rich get a few more bucks Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #31

Rough numbers, raise the cap to where it was after the 1983 Reagan SS deal: 90% FogerRox Dec 2013 #50

I'll take your word for the numbers, but yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #63

I don't think that argument is what's driving the Third Way. Laelth Dec 2013 #8

The third way is driven by a fantasy AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #26

I think that's their line for public consumption. Bipartisanship and all that. But Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #32

Not a fantasy, an agenda. The 3rdway, formerly known as the DLC, was begun and financed Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #42

And those voting for 3rd Way candidates ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #68

Absolute tripe AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #69

All or nothing, right? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #71

Exactly. great white snark Dec 2013 #74

Republicans in the south hate Obama and the third way AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #76

That is nothing like what GWS was saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #77

Watered down Republican policies AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #75

So ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #79

Things like austerity AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #82

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #83

I see no reason whatsoever for any Democrat to implement Republican policies AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #84

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #85

I still don't see the rational for offering GOP policies AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #86

Does the republican designed ACA offer ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #87

Austerity is a step backwards AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #88

The ACA isn't austerity. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #90

The ACA institutionalizes the problem AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #89

I guess Vermont didn't get the memo ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #91

Yes - it's easy to miss their true intentions... polichick Dec 2013 #35

Quite so. Laelth Dec 2013 #43

I think they're counting on people blocking the truth... polichick Dec 2013 #45

Theres also another reason that coincides with what Wall St wants DJ13 Dec 2013 #57

Quite true. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #60

means testing? Fuck that shit. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #11

Does raising the cap relate to "means testing"? L0oniX Dec 2013 #24

I'm actually against raising the cap as it would just result Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #33

No relation. There is no means testing in SS retirement. FogerRox Dec 2013 #52

IMO the cap is a means limit. It's a reverce means testing. L0oniX Dec 2013 #54

In essence you have a point. but from the legal standpoint there is no means test. FogerRox Dec 2013 #64

Means testing works in other countries, but it would never work here AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #27

Means testing indeed would be fine if there was a general consensus Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #34

Right AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #47

The best person to explain the progressives argument persuasively is Paul Krugman. CTyankee Dec 2013 #13

We need to tax the filthy rich, not kill the middle class and elderly upi402 Dec 2013 #16

No Labels, Third Way all are for the 1% vinny9698 Dec 2013 #19

Are the Third Way Foundation and the Third Way "think tank" the same thing? antigop Dec 2013 #21

I don't know about the third way part of your OP but grantcart Dec 2013 #22

Cut the fucking military budget 50% and pay back SS for the robbery. L0oniX Dec 2013 #23

That is so fourthway, it just might work. JEB Dec 2013 #39

The Third Way argument is that it's either small cuts on everyone or giving geek tragedy Dec 2013 #28

Because, evidently, tweaking the cap or doing something concrete about unemployment and djean111 Dec 2013 #41

Congress do something to create jobs and raise incomes? Ha! nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #46

Serious job creation would add more FICA, SS good thru 2090, Nah----- cant have that. FogerRox Dec 2013 #53

Means testing would piss a lot of people off! Nt Logical Dec 2013 #44

How about we collect taxes on the $31 trillion corporate profits stashed offshore first? BlueStreak Dec 2013 #51

Destroying the poor, unfortunate and elderly to save the future is extremely Orwellian. Lint Head Dec 2013 #55

FUCK the the third way, they have hurt the Democratic Party and America for so long! AZ Progressive Dec 2013 #56

Hard to argue with that. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #61

SS is a political talking point because it is an issue. joshcryer Dec 2013 #72

Good observation.. sendero Dec 2013 #73

Lets expand. mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #78

You and your logical way of thinking. ;) adirondacker Dec 2013 #80