Kaptur Defeats Kucinich 94% to 4% on 100% Unverifiable E-Vote Systems in Toledo, OH?

[joshcryer]

100. There has been no audit. Why don't you go do one?

You're the one claiming that it's unverifiable, I have given copious amounts of evidence that, indeed, it is verifiable. Go prove that it's not, as you have, factually, objectively, failed to do so. Go file an FOIA request.

Cutting people down as if they "don't understand" indicates to me that you don't have a real argument to stand on. I find that most people do understand most things, except the esoteric, and certainly Ohio's laws and the voter-verified paper trial doesn't constitute "unverifiable."

I have absolutely zero faith in the system, as it were. I think poll workers, in general, do their best to achieve good results, but that has no bearing on whether or not they're incapable of being duped. But, you have provided absolutely zero evidence that they have been "duped" as it were. Provide evidence and I will be first to champion your post, I will be first to rec your post, I will be loud, voracious, about the utter travesty that you imply is happening. As it stands now, it is merely conspiracy-level innuendo, filled with climate-change-denialist level rhetoric, if not full on creationist-style garbage. It has no evidence.

You have, again, provided no evidence that the VVAT's are unverifiable. I think that they are. As I said before, if you had not misled people, that the systems in fact were unverifiable, I would've been the first to rec. I am completely against completely unverifiable, DRE-style systems. Full stop. End. No question. I would not debate you at all. You were misleading. I think personally that you didn't actually do the research, as it was trivial to debunk your post as I have effectively done.

I have nothing to be ashamed about because I value truth, reason, and logic about innuendo, fear, and intimidation, as clearly you do. The OP was pure propaganda, based not in reality, but in a fantasy that resulted in outright misinformation. How many people, in fact, would've looked into the systems used and realized that they were VVAT? I think I was the first, and only, person to realize this. And like I said, I would have, again, rec'd the post if it was a DRE system, I would have totally defended the post, but in the end I could not, in good conscious, defend such misleading propaganda.