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56. FUCK the the third way, they have hurt the Democratic Party and America for so long!

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 04:44 PM

Dec 2013

They have made the Democratic Party into another servant of the Corporate World and have kept the Democratic Party from fighting the Republican Party effectively. This has contributed to the harm that's been inflicted upon this nation since reagan.

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As I understand the Third Way argument, we have to cut Social Security, and if we don't [View all] Recursion Dec 2013 OP

The third way... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #1

Evidently, a lot of Democrats, and quite successfully, too. djean111 Dec 2013 #2

And our evident candidate for president... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #3

Hillary, Queen of the DLC. Wanna be GOP. Fools plenty of DEMs, though! blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #5

What really sucks about our system... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #20

That doesn't matter tazkcmo Dec 2013 #62

If she wins the primary I will vote for her... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #65

ok tazkcmo Dec 2013 #66

Getting Republicans to vote for them is not the point. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #30

Like the old... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #36

That is not the point. RC Dec 2013 #37

Yes, what used to be the tenets of the Democratic party are now jeered at as djean111 Dec 2013 #40

Goes right along with the "who else you gonna vote for" gang. L0oniX Dec 2013 #58

I don't believe anyone ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #67

That's why they infiltrated the Dem Party. They know that some people will vote for sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #38

I blame both Clintons for this ...and that's putting it mild enough to avoid the jury clowns. L0oniX Dec 2013 #59

I do too but they were not the architects of the DLC, and I wish we had known more about sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #70

They're republicans with somewhat more leftist social views IMO Populist_Prole Dec 2013 #29

The problem with means testing... Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #4

Examples? (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2013 #9

Well, I'm British Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #10

Okay, so a little hyperbole? thesquanderer Dec 2013 #12

Maybe a bit hyperbolic Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #14

Food Stamps, Medicaid, Welfare, CHIP jeff47 Dec 2013 #17

That's exactly what would happen AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #25

Here in the states, means testing an entitlement program makes it legally welfare FogerRox Dec 2013 #48

The Third Way is Bearheim Dec 2013 #6

Bingo Aerows Dec 2013 #81

All they gotta do is lift the cap on income re: contributions, problem solved forever. silvershadow Dec 2013 #7

Benefits paid are based on what is paid in joeglow3 Dec 2013 #15

There's a cap on payouts. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2013 #18

The cap is on income, see AIME forula. the top benefit is about 31k FogerRox Dec 2013 #49

I have no problem with seeing the rich get a few more bucks Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #31

Rough numbers, raise the cap to where it was after the 1983 Reagan SS deal: 90% FogerRox Dec 2013 #50

I'll take your word for the numbers, but yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #63

I don't think that argument is what's driving the Third Way. Laelth Dec 2013 #8

The third way is driven by a fantasy AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #26

I think that's their line for public consumption. Bipartisanship and all that. But Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #32

Not a fantasy, an agenda. The 3rdway, formerly known as the DLC, was begun and financed Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #42

And those voting for 3rd Way candidates ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #68

Absolute tripe AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #69

All or nothing, right? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #71

Exactly. great white snark Dec 2013 #74

Republicans in the south hate Obama and the third way AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #76

That is nothing like what GWS was saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #77

Watered down Republican policies AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #75

So ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #79

Things like austerity AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #82

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #83

I see no reason whatsoever for any Democrat to implement Republican policies AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #84

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #85

I still don't see the rational for offering GOP policies AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #86

Does the republican designed ACA offer ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #87

Austerity is a step backwards AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #88

The ACA isn't austerity. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #90

The ACA institutionalizes the problem AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #89

I guess Vermont didn't get the memo ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #91

Yes - it's easy to miss their true intentions... polichick Dec 2013 #35

Quite so. Laelth Dec 2013 #43

I think they're counting on people blocking the truth... polichick Dec 2013 #45

Theres also another reason that coincides with what Wall St wants DJ13 Dec 2013 #57

Quite true. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #60

means testing? Fuck that shit. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #11

Does raising the cap relate to "means testing"? L0oniX Dec 2013 #24

I'm actually against raising the cap as it would just result Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #33

No relation. There is no means testing in SS retirement. FogerRox Dec 2013 #52

IMO the cap is a means limit. It's a reverce means testing. L0oniX Dec 2013 #54

In essence you have a point. but from the legal standpoint there is no means test. FogerRox Dec 2013 #64

Means testing works in other countries, but it would never work here AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #27

Means testing indeed would be fine if there was a general consensus Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #34

Right AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #47

The best person to explain the progressives argument persuasively is Paul Krugman. CTyankee Dec 2013 #13

We need to tax the filthy rich, not kill the middle class and elderly upi402 Dec 2013 #16

No Labels, Third Way all are for the 1% vinny9698 Dec 2013 #19

Are the Third Way Foundation and the Third Way "think tank" the same thing? antigop Dec 2013 #21

I don't know about the third way part of your OP but grantcart Dec 2013 #22

Cut the fucking military budget 50% and pay back SS for the robbery. L0oniX Dec 2013 #23

That is so fourthway, it just might work. JEB Dec 2013 #39

The Third Way argument is that it's either small cuts on everyone or giving geek tragedy Dec 2013 #28

Because, evidently, tweaking the cap or doing something concrete about unemployment and djean111 Dec 2013 #41

Congress do something to create jobs and raise incomes? Ha! nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #46

Serious job creation would add more FICA, SS good thru 2090, Nah----- cant have that. FogerRox Dec 2013 #53

Means testing would piss a lot of people off! Nt Logical Dec 2013 #44

How about we collect taxes on the $31 trillion corporate profits stashed offshore first? BlueStreak Dec 2013 #51

Destroying the poor, unfortunate and elderly to save the future is extremely Orwellian. Lint Head Dec 2013 #55

FUCK the the third way, they have hurt the Democratic Party and America for so long! AZ Progressive Dec 2013 #56

Hard to argue with that. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #61

SS is a political talking point because it is an issue. joshcryer Dec 2013 #72

Good observation.. sendero Dec 2013 #73

Lets expand. mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #78

You and your logical way of thinking. ;) adirondacker Dec 2013 #80