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davidn3600

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189. Oh whatever...

Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:58 AM

Dec 2013

I dont know enough about all those other cases to have a very good opinion on them. The information presented is by an author that has an obvious bias and is certainly not allowing the other side to defend themselves.

But are you suggesting there is some national conspiracy to not prosecute rape? That's a pretty big accusation. And it would have to be a pretty damn big conspiracy.

Rape CAN BE very difficult to prosecute. Im not talking about blatant cases of violent rape where there is no question to what's going on. Why those are not prosecuted, I can't tell you and there is something wrong with the system in those cases. I dont know what the issue is there.

But a lot of rape cases are far more difficult to reach the burden of overcoming reasonable doubt. For example, cases where both parties are plastered drunk and neither can recall much of what happened. Unless you are suggesting that men have the ultimate responsibility for any sexual activity that occurs. But I think most people would find that kind of sexist. I'll tell you this...most prosecutors in cases like that will drop the case if there is no evidence of physical trauma. First, you can't prove much if no one can really remember much. And second, technically the man also couldn't have legally consented either if his BAC is sky high. So some may argue that she's just as guilty of rape as he is. Should they both be thrown in prison?

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40 years of college football's sexual assault problem [View all] niyad Dec 2013 OP

Not every accusation is true. Ask Brian Banks. nt lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #1

And here we have part of the problem...no, not every accusation is true... joeybee12 Dec 2013 #2

I know nothing about the case except this... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #4

the state attorney did not think the case was winnable. slight difference. but keep trying. niyad Dec 2013 #5

It's a difference, but I'd characterize it as xulamaude Dec 2013 #7

That's ok by me Sgent Dec 2013 #6

If that is true, a) it's inexcusable and b) should justify rolling heads at the PD. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #19

That kind of thing happens several times every day BainsBane Dec 2013 #57

Which is how rape culture is propagated BainsBane Dec 2013 #63

since, by your own admission, you know nothing about the case, perhaps you could educate niyad Dec 2013 #72

The thing is, I know exactly as much as you do. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #73

wow--that is one of the funnier statements I have seen today. thanks, I needed the laughs. niyad Dec 2013 #75

You "lack" a "belief system"!!! xulamaude Dec 2013 #84

More accurately, my belief system is the one taught in civics 101. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #87

I took civics 101 too - xulamaude Dec 2013 #89

Okay. Then what does Blackstone's formulation mean to you? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #91

I can't possibly imagine what he envisioned but xulamaude Dec 2013 #96

Unless, of course, they happen to excel at a popular school sport. radicalliberal Dec 2013 #198

If you review the facts as we know them in this case, its clear it was a false accusation. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #127

What facts are those? EOTE Dec 2013 #138

Sure not problem at all. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #139

I'm not sure that this info in itself convinces me. EOTE Dec 2013 #140

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #143

You haven't answered any of the questions I had. Not a single one. EOTE Dec 2013 #145

Please see the latest post when the prosecutor comments on that. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #148

Which latest post? EOTE Dec 2013 #150

Um... okay aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #152

That has nothing to do with this conversation. EOTE Dec 2013 #153

I think to a reasonable person aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #156

Wow, you're going way off the wall now. EOTE Dec 2013 #157

Please answer this. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #158

What you are asking are non-sequitors. EOTE Dec 2013 #159

I guess we won't be getting an case facts from you. LOL! aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #162

You do nothing but distract from the ridiculous and sexist comments you made. EOTE Dec 2013 #164

Why does a woman having sex with someone mean she wasn't raped by someone else? EOTE Dec 2013 #166

Why do you think a woman who wasn't drugged can't be raped? EOTE Dec 2013 #167

Wow 3 posts! aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #170

You did lie. You said there was a photo of her rooting for the accused. EOTE Dec 2013 #171

I'm glad you agree with me regarding the outcome of the case. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #174

You said the accuser falsely accused the accused. EOTE Dec 2013 #175

And you present yet another lie. EOTE Dec 2013 #176

You do know you're accusing this woman of a crime, right? EOTE Dec 2013 #173

I honestly think you need to read the full 86 page report and do some aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #177

Why do you think a woman who had sex with her boyfriend willingly can't be raped by someone else? EOTE Dec 2013 #178

Okay, this is my last try. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #179

CNN Is another excellent source: Very fair and impartial. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #147

You're just repeating the same old offensive, sexist tripe. EOTE Dec 2013 #149

"CNN is an excellent source" xulamaude Dec 2013 #160

Ha! aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #163

"CNN Is another excellent source: Very fair and impartial." radicalliberal Dec 2013 #200

you are familiar with the fbi statistics on false rape accusations, yes. but this is what you post? niyad Dec 2013 #3

Don't bother ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #8

LOL nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #9

Actually... Upton Dec 2013 #13

when it comes to rape some people think that Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #27

When it comes to rape, some people like to pretend false allegations are common BainsBane Dec 2013 #55

it counts Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #58

Do you think women should be intimidated into not pressing charges? That the minority of rape BainsBane Dec 2013 #60

I think they should be welcome to come forward Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #77

i know man. that lack of evidence. like videos put up on the net. or admitted to raping a child seabeyond Dec 2013 #82

thatbisnt the aveeage case Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #90

there is all kinds of NORM where women and girls being raped is dismissed by people, cops, seabeyond Dec 2013 #93

They aren't prosecuted because misogynysts assholes in charge of the judical BainsBane Dec 2013 #83

Go back and look at Steubenville. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #86

Sequere pecuniam, for one thing LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #101

Prove guilt? xulamaude Dec 2013 #61

that's not the reaction with high profile cases are dismissed Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #79

I can't understand your post. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #81

well clearly our lives do not count Tumbulu Dec 2013 #120

lives do count Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #137

Guilt and innocence is handed down by courts only. We merely have opinions. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #133

And nobody should NOT be imprisoned xulamaude Dec 2013 #65

To many, Human rights = Men's rights...period. whathehell Dec 2013 #126

Most rapists aren't imprisoned at all. alarimer Dec 2013 #203

Yep xulamaude Dec 2013 #10

Well, it's clear the FBI has been infiltrated by radical feminists. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #11

Note zero interest in facts BainsBane Dec 2013 #69

yes, and it gets more disgusting each and every time it happens. niyad Dec 2013 #71

Completely ignores the hundres of cases listed in the article BainsBane Dec 2013 #74

That FBI study is hotly disputed. This is why such numbers are not allowed to aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #128

hotly disputed by whom? those who don't want to look at facts, who want us to think that all niyad Dec 2013 #131

Indeed... Upton Dec 2013 #12

Got stats on the number of convictions of xulamaude Dec 2013 #14

Your point? Upton Dec 2013 #15

No, it does not justify it. xulamaude Dec 2013 #17

Criminal prosecution isn't a statistical exercise. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #21

A set of generalized cultural beliefs?? xulamaude Dec 2013 #34

she lied because she knew she was going to get 1.5 mil? how many other women have sued niyad Dec 2013 #78

The point to me gollygee Dec 2013 #18

Okay...whatever.. Upton Dec 2013 #20

This thread isn't about him gollygee Dec 2013 #22

Love threads like this where the Mens group come a running. trumad Dec 2013 #24

I'm dreeeaming of a white Christmas!!!! lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #39

I love when I can clear a jury blacklist spot.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #48

LOL! n/t whathehell Dec 2013 #168

"is one too many" xulamaude Dec 2013 #25

. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #42

Are those the only options? gollygee Dec 2013 #47

The ideal is to convict, sentence and punish every guilty person and zero innocents. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #49

Yes, it's a statement of innocent until proven guilty gollygee Dec 2013 #53

Ah, the old Pol Pot! How'd I miss this?! xulamaude Dec 2013 #112

"It is more important that the innocent be protected, than the guilty be punished" davidn3600 Dec 2013 #59

How does that contradict anything I've said gollygee Dec 2013 #122

Yes, it is the only option. We must set the burden of proof high enough that... JVS Dec 2013 #88

Which means that we should never convict anyone of anything gollygee Dec 2013 #121

ten INNOCENT raped girls to avoid 1 innocent man. really? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #52

OK, I know better than to get involved in this stuff, but... Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #56

really? cause i was the first to suggest 10 INNOCENT girls should not be protected for 1 seabeyond Dec 2013 #66

You sound like you're okay with innocent men being imprisoned if it prevents rape. seabeyond Dec 2013 #68

All kinds of 'innocent' people xulamaude Dec 2013 #80

It's better that 10 guilty rapists go free? Way to go, man. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #54

Yeah, well, one rape is too many. historylovr Dec 2013 #110

"Dismissed" No. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #28

They should absolutely get a fair trial gollygee Dec 2013 #32

and the other several hundred unprosecuted cases in the article? BainsBane Dec 2013 #67

wow, did you even bother to read that list? you keep bringing up this banks person, without niyad Dec 2013 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #16

Well, you're consistent with your misogyny anyway. Matariki Dec 2013 #103

Oh honestly, this is preposterous Tumbulu Dec 2013 #119

I wonder whether the girls in the top pic would have the signs out if Jameis Winston.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #23

Shockingly, they almost certainly see rape as more important than football BainsBane Dec 2013 #26

I bet they don't ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #30

I went to the U of Texas BainsBane Dec 2013 #35

Then you should get it. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #37

I wouldn't go to the stadium regardless BainsBane Dec 2013 #43

Uh, ok ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #46

I hate to break it to you.. Upton Dec 2013 #31

evidently you and a couple of others here see this as all about the football fans BainsBane Dec 2013 #38

Actually, bullshit ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #45

because the "bigger issue" is football, not rape and rape culture BainsBane Dec 2013 #50

Nope, you still don't get it.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #64

You and your pals are intent on derailing the thread BainsBane Dec 2013 #76

What's amazing is that you can't use an iota of reading comprehension.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #85

It's not up to me to read your mind BainsBane Dec 2013 #109

"I have, however, grown weary of some of their shtick." ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #114

One has kindly offered to hear a petition to reinstate me BainsBane Dec 2013 #118

This thread went off the rails way before that snooper2 Dec 2013 #141

What do you think? The article talks about 40 years of sexual assault going unpunished BainsBane Dec 2013 #142

OMG! chervilant Dec 2013 #123

I would guess that since these females are attending college, they are adults, women, not "girls" niyad Dec 2013 #117

The banner they are holding says "No means No" once. It says "Go Gators!" twice. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #33

Oh, I'm sure they're very upset a Florida State player might be getting away with something. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #41

I would agree with you if they didn't have a "Go Gators" on that sign... ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #130

Yeah I think it would mean a lot more if those girls were FSU fans davidn3600 Dec 2013 #29

That's far more a condemnation of Steelers fans than anything. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #36

"Funny how that works." xulamaude Dec 2013 #40

Funny who wants to make this all about football fans in the photo BainsBane Dec 2013 #51

Football is sacred, don't you know? radicalliberal Dec 2013 #199

Tell you what. historylovr Dec 2013 #108

And maybe Jameis Winston knows that. nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #113

Unfortunately we'll never know for sure one way or the other, will we. historylovr Dec 2013 #115

Just add that one to the list of so-called "false allegations" BainsBane Dec 2013 #146

While you willfully ignore the hundreds of unprosecuted rapes discussed in the article BainsBane Dec 2013 #144

So you're saying he is guilty then? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #184

I wonder why you think chervilant Dec 2013 #124

I haven't followed the case and have no opinion on his guilt kiva Dec 2013 #44

DU- where we can make a battle out of ANYTHING! LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #62

Help me understand your post. chervilant Dec 2013 #125

It had nothing to do with the article n/t LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #169

Well, chervilant Dec 2013 #172

There is a proven case of false rape allegation in another thread, YET BainsBane Dec 2013 #92

goddess forfend that we should discuss issues of importance to women,issues like rape culture, niyad Dec 2013 #94

Some make it their mission to disrupt that as much as possible BainsBane Dec 2013 #95

rather pathetic, is it not? niyad Dec 2013 #105

Once the falsely convicted has been exonerated, the legitimacy of justice is already damaged. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #97

NOTHING would have happened in that stuebenville case if people didnt yell from seabeyond Dec 2013 #98

Yeah, and justice isn't "damaged" when communities sweep rape under the rug NuclearDem Dec 2013 #100

"the legitimacy of justice is already damaged" xulamaude Dec 2013 #102

+1 historylovr Dec 2013 #111

hyperbole much? mob justice? because this one person to whom you keep referring, completely niyad Dec 2013 #116

you might read this thread if you still wonder why we need to speak up, even when told nuthin' to se seabeyond Dec 2013 #197

That's a damn good question. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #99

My Friend Was Propositioned By Dan Marino AnnieBW Dec 2013 #104

but surely Ben Roethlisberger has dropped out of the "beloved" position... surely. seabeyond Dec 2013 #106

I follow sports closely. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #129

I bet you do. Have you ever considered the possibility that the sports media might be biased? radicalliberal Dec 2013 #201

nice list, but a bit misleading. niyad Dec 2013 #206

More Like That He's Settle Down And Got Married AnnieBW Dec 2013 #192

i didnt know one "vindicated" themselves of raping another human being, simply by marrying. wow. k seabeyond Dec 2013 #193

Yeah, well, they don't AnnieBW Dec 2013 #194

ok. thanks. i was misreading your posts. thanks for the clarification. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #195

Jerry Sandusky is a different aspect of the football sexual assault problem. kwassa Dec 2013 #107

It should be standard procedure in situations like this for the FBI to take jurisdiction stevenleser Dec 2013 #132

thank you. a most excellent point. now to wait for the usual suspects. . . niyad Dec 2013 #134

I wonder what it would take to make that change. Also... stevenleser Dec 2013 #135

not sure what it would take, and not sure of the fbi's track record. but, as you said, somebody niyad Dec 2013 #136

I understand the suggestion, but am not a big fan of ever-expanding federal law enforcement. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #154

It wouldn't happen much after the first few. Police departments hate the Feds doing this... stevenleser Dec 2013 #155

This was handled fairly well Sgent Dec 2013 #161

What about the 40 years of rapes in which victims were pressured, shamed, and intimidated BainsBane Dec 2013 #182

Read the title of the article: 40 years of rape BainsBane Dec 2013 #151

"It's about a half century of rapes going unpunished. That is being widely ignored. Why?" redqueen Dec 2013 #165

yes, we do know exactly why, and the fact that we do know, and are not silent about it, is niyad Dec 2013 #181

Well, fortunately, more and more women are no longer willing to silently accept it. redqueen Dec 2013 #186

but we are not supposed to notice, or point it out for fear of hurting their feelings. how dare niyad Dec 2013 #180

Can anyone imagine a 40 yr pattern of crime against men going unpunished? BainsBane Dec 2013 #183

I know this is the season for miracles, but I would not hold my breath. niyad Dec 2013 #185

This article is suggesting that Winston is guilty and there was a cover-up davidn3600 Dec 2013 #187

You clearly didn't read it BainsBane Dec 2013 #188

Oh whatever... davidn3600 Dec 2013 #189

It's called rape culture BainsBane Dec 2013 #190

I scrutinize any accusation of anyone makes of any crime davidn3600 Dec 2013 #191

There's no national conspiracy, there's a cultural problem. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #196

Notice the pathetic attitude on the part of so many football fans toward the OP. radicalliberal Dec 2013 #202

ya. radical. i notice. decency. lack of decency. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #205

NIYAD... listening to baines op song Nina Simone, Four Women... sittin out on the porch. with red seabeyond Dec 2013 #204

just read some of the new additions to this OP-- and I need a glass as well. niyad Dec 2013 #207