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Octafish

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187. Thank you, MinM. Here's FBI Agent Donald A. Adams on Joseph Adams Milteer...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:30 AM
Dec 2013

The man's mind is sharp and his story is remarkable:



Georgia Law Professor Wilkes details the story -- from before Adams went whistleblower:



DID HE KNOW JFK TO DIE?

Author: Donald E. Wilkes, Jr., Professor of Law, University of Georgia School of Law.
Published in The Athens Observer, p. 2A (February 12,1987).

A south Georgian named Joseph Milteer, now dead, represents a second possible Georgia connection to the assassination of President Kennedy. According to FBI documents published by the noted assassinations expert Harold Weisberg in this book Frame-Up in 1971, Joseph Adams Milteer was born in Quitman, Ga., on Feb. 26, 1902. Thus, at the time of the assassination, Milteer was 61 years old. In 1963 he apparently lived in both Quitman and Valdosta. Like many of the persons who were eyewitnesses to Kennedy's death, or who have been suspected of involvement in the Kennedy assassination, Milteer apparently died a violent and unnatural death. According to Robert Groden, a photographic expert who worked for the House Select Committee on Assassinations, Milteer died of burns in 1974 at the age of 72 after a Coleman heating stove exploded.

Information concerning Milteer and his possible connection to the JFK assassination is not new. Milteer's possible connection was first divulged (although his name was not mentioned) in a Miami newspaper in an article by a reporter named Bill Barry as far back as Feb. 2, 1967. The FBI presented information on Milteer to the Warren Commission, although Milteer is not mentioned in the Warren Commission Report or in the 26 volumes published by the Commission.

Who was Joseph Milteer? On this question there is general agreement. Miller was a segregationist and arch-conservative on the far right. In his co-authored book The Plot to Kill the President (1981), G. Robert Blakey, who served as counsel for the House Assassinations Committee, describes Milteer as "a right-wing extremist." Anthony Summers, in his 1980 book Conspiracy, uses similar language ("a known right-wing extremist&quot to describe Milteer, as does Henry Hurt ("an ultra-right wing Georgia business man" in his Reasonable Doubt, published in 1985, and the best single book on the assassination, Michael Kurtz's Crime of the Century (1982), calls Milteer "a well-known right-wing extremist."

The House Assassinations Committee referred to Milteer variously as "a militant conservative," "a militant right-wing organizer," and "a right-wing extremist." Milteer was apparently associated with the National States Rights Party and the White Citizens Council and actively opposed to integration and social justice.

On the morning of Nov. 9, 1963, two weeks before the Kennedy assassination, Milteer engaged in a conversation in a Miami hotel room with a man named Willie Somersett. Apparently unknown to Milteer, Somersett (who died in 1970), was an informer for the police who surreptitiously tape-recorded the conversation. The tape was promptly turned over to local Miami police, who then forwarded it to federal authorities. The taped conversation was revealed for the first time publicly in the Miami News in February 1967, although Milteer's named was not mentioned. The Miami News article was quoted at length (again without mentioning Milteer's name) in Harold Weisberg's Oswald in New Orleans, also published in 1967. In 1971 in Frame-Up Weisberg published a transcript of the taped conversation, together with various FBI documents relating to Milteer. This time Milteer's name was given. In 1979 the House Assassinations Committee included information on Milteer in several of its published volumes, and quoted verbatim an excerpt from the transcript of his Nov. 9, 1963 conversation with Somersett.

According to the House Committee transcript, Milteer told Somersett that the killing of Kennedy "was in the working," that the president could be killed "[f]rom an office building with a high-powered rifle," that the rifle could be "disassembled" to get it into the building, and that "[t]hey will pick up somebody within hours afterward, if anything like that would happen just to throw the public off." He also mentioned "the Cubans."

When Miami police turned the tape-recorded conversation over to the Secret Service and FBI, there was a flurry of activity and extra security precautions were taken to protect the president on his trip to Miami, which took place on Nov. 18, the Monday before the Friday assassination. However, information about the Milteer remarks apparently was not passed on to Secret Service officials responsible for the trip to Dallas.

Here, then, is a second possible Georgia connection to the JFK assassination: less than two weeks before the president's death, a Georgia political extremist on the far right was recorded saying things that indicate--at least in retrospect--that he knew not only of a plot to kill the president but also some of the details of the plot. Milteer's statements, as noted, were taken seriously by federal authorities; and the Secret Service's Miami office filed on Milteer was entitled "Alleged Possible Threat Against the President."

However, the recorded conversation of Nov. 9, 1963 is not the only evidence of the possibility of a Georgia connection through Joseph Milteer to the JFK killing. According to FBI documents published by Harold Weisberg, Milteer told an informer (presumably Somersett) in an unrecorded conversation in Jacksonville, Fla., on the afternoon of the assassination: "Everything ran true to form. I guess you thought I was kidding you when I said he [Kennedy] would be killed from a window with a high-powered rifle."

CONTINUED...

http://www.law.uga.edu/dwilkes_more/jfk_4did.html



ETA Wilkes article.
Here's what the HSCA thought about Mark Lane: stopbush Nov 2013 #1
CIA Director Bush helped destroy HSCA investigation. Octafish Nov 2013 #7
So, on the one hand, you hold out the HSCA as a beacon of fact finding stopbush Nov 2013 #15
"I demand evidence" WTF? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #64
You sure do a lot of bloviating, but you've yet to offer an iota of evidence stopbush Nov 2013 #66
Bull malarkey RobertEarl Nov 2013 #68
I see. You're the type of person who argues that you can't prove George Washington really existed. stopbush Nov 2013 #69
Read the OP again RobertEarl Nov 2013 #71
''Bloviating'' is a term of art. Octafish Nov 2013 #103
Thank you my friend! zappaman Nov 2013 #108
I'd still side with Jim Garrison than the likes of you. Octafish Nov 2013 #110
I did comment on what Lane wrote. zappaman Nov 2013 #112
Capitalism's Invisible Army Octafish Nov 2013 #82
Blah, blah, blah. stopbush Nov 2013 #91
''Your questions are almost as dumb as the committee's'' Octafish Nov 2013 #96
More boring cut-n-paste from Octa who refuses to answer why they believe the HSCA stopbush Nov 2013 #98
What part of the OP is ''cut and paste,'' stopbush? Octafish Nov 2013 #100
Answer the question: why do you consider the HSCA to be a reliable source stopbush Nov 2013 #101
No one's asking you to engage. That's your problem. Octafish Nov 2013 #104
Please look at YOUR post #7 in this thread: "CIA Director Bush helped destroy HSCA investigation." stopbush Nov 2013 #105
G. Robert Blakey’s 2003 Addendum to the PBS Interview: Octafish Dec 2013 #171
Blakey believes the mob was involved and will probably go to his grave believing that. stopbush Dec 2013 #172
So, what Blakey said about the CIA isn't what Blakey said about the CIA? Octafish Dec 2013 #173
That would be learning fiction. stopbush Dec 2013 #174
Revelation 19.63 Octafish Dec 2013 #175
Why is it so important to you? notadmblnd Dec 2013 #177
"Smirk." - Poppy 'Skull & Boner' Bush (R - CIA - BFEE) Berlum Nov 2013 #78
Don't understand why certain DUers don't appreciate the BFEE connections to Dealey Plaza. Octafish Nov 2013 #106
Did Bush not know the patsy was supposed to be Oswald? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #116
Odd is how that same George HW Bush in Dallas Nov. 22, 1963 shows up to head CIA 12 years later. Octafish Nov 2013 #145
That is odd. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #146
Doesn't work for me, your act. Octafish Nov 2013 #147
Are you really accusing me of being here under false pretenses? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #148
Like your exchange with Jim DiEugenio? You did all you could to drive him off. Octafish Nov 2013 #149
Speak plainly, sir. Are you accusing me of being here under false pretenses? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #150
Or leave these foolish games and Meta distractions aside and start dealing with the evidence already Octafish Nov 2013 #151
so basically you aren't man enough to accuse Bolo straight up backwoodsbob Dec 2013 #161
No, I have not been 'payed' or paid to write about the assassination of President Kennedy. Octafish Dec 2013 #179
Of course he is. zappaman Dec 2013 #158
Odd thing for you to point out, considering what you write. Octafish Dec 2013 #180
Why do you accuse people of being paid zappaman Dec 2013 #181
They're your own words. Octafish Dec 2013 #184
There's a good analysis of the Parrott memo in Russ Baker's book 'Family of Secrets' Mc Mike Dec 2013 #186
Well said! Thank you, Mc Mike! Octafish Dec 2013 #189
I'm sorry that you sometimes take so much flack and displays of antipathy for posting good info. Mc Mike Dec 2013 #190
The problem for them is that no matter how they try to discredit ANYONE who doesn't march in sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #53
You must feel the same way about Obamacare. stopbush Nov 2013 #62
Mark Lane: The Original Shyster zappaman Nov 2013 #2
CIA Instructions to Media Assets Octafish Nov 2013 #8
You stand with a liar. zappaman Nov 2013 #10
So what? You defend the BFEE. Octafish Nov 2013 #11
I'm sure you can back up your smears? zappaman Nov 2013 #12
Not a smear when true. Octafish Nov 2013 #16
Show where I'm wrong. Otherwise don't libel me. zappaman Nov 2013 #18
LOL. Octafish Nov 2013 #24
LOL. zappaman Nov 2013 #26
journal.. feh. you're no REAL journalist man... you've never even been in a shootout!!1111 dionysus Nov 2013 #57
On the contrary... zappaman Nov 2013 #58
yeah but, but, do you have a bayonet, huh? a bullwhip? i think not sir. dionysus Nov 2013 #59
I think he means the many times you joke about the BFEE. Rex Nov 2013 #17
I'm quite sure he can speak for himself. zappaman Nov 2013 #21
Oh I know it is a joke. Rex Nov 2013 #22
True. zappaman Nov 2013 #25
Well, Rextradomous will make a prediction about the future Rex Nov 2013 #29
Hmmm.... zappaman Nov 2013 #31
I swear that man IS an alien! Rex Nov 2013 #32
Thank you, Rex. Octafish Nov 2013 #33
Well my on speculation is that he was a Russian double agent. Rex Nov 2013 #34
I noticed the high volume of repetitive re-postings of that same accusation Mc Mike Nov 2013 #48
Lol! Now you deny your own words? zappaman Nov 2013 #72
P. S. A. Mc Mike Nov 2013 #80
How is not believing Lane the same as supporting the Bush family? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #79
E. Hunt was such an upstanding man. Now I'm convinced, Hunt denied it, therefore it must be true. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #55
"So much effort to prevent people from speaking their minds on this historical tragedy." zappaman Nov 2013 #56
Most of us, a majority of the people, want to see bullshit countered and don't everything their sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #65
E Howard Hunt planted fake cables in WH safe to make it look like JFK ordered Diem assassination... Octafish Nov 2013 #141
CIA caught red-handed in HSCA safe, a pattern of obstruction of justice in JFK assassination. Octafish Nov 2013 #142
Wow, thank you for that. Tampering with evidence. Yet nothing was done about it, and some wonder why sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #144
There's a special place in hell for Mark Lane. duffyduff Nov 2013 #95
Pretty lousy thing to say about anybody, let alone a good Democrat. Octafish Nov 2013 #97
I don't know what Brehm said, but Lane interviewed him on videotape. It's on You Tube. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #109
I don't think Mark Lane is the kind of person you want to be standing with. DanTex Nov 2013 #3
You also need to learn more. Lane was there with Congressman Ryan. Octafish Nov 2013 #9
Umm yeah, but that's not the only time he was there. DanTex Nov 2013 #19
Yes. Octafish Nov 2013 #77
It's not about predicting, it's about claiming a CIA conspiracy. DanTex Nov 2013 #81
interesting, have read his book and thought it was good gopiscrap Nov 2013 #4
Two important works: 'Rush to Judgment' and 'Plausible Denial' Octafish Nov 2013 #13
Who is defending Bush on DU, Octafish? zappaman Nov 2013 #14
You, for one. Octafish Nov 2013 #20
I see jokes about your obsession zappaman Nov 2013 #23
Didn't you just say something about being smeared and how you don't like it? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #63
Both of those books are full of lies and manipulations by Mr Mark Lane. stopbush Nov 2013 #27
How many times does Mark Lane mention CIA in 'Rush to Judgment'? Octafish Nov 2013 #152
You've got the wrong book. The CIA went after Lane's idiocies in in his POS book stopbush Dec 2013 #153
Good catch. zappaman Dec 2013 #154
Luckily, I knew that one off the top of my head. stopbush Dec 2013 #155
Speaking of assume. Octafish Dec 2013 #159
LOL! zappaman Dec 2013 #165
The point: CIA had no reason to stalk Lane in 1966. Octafish Dec 2013 #156
What's your source for that claim about the CIA stalking Lane? stopbush Dec 2013 #157
National Archives and Mark Lane Octafish Dec 2013 #160
Your link is useless. It says nothing about Mark Lane, stopbush Dec 2013 #162
Mark Lane talked about it in Pittsburgh. Octafish Dec 2013 #163
So, your first link WAS quite useless. stopbush Dec 2013 #164
You should try the truth sometime. Octafish Dec 2013 #176
Lane: Lawyer for "We The People" Patriot group and anti-Semitic Liberty Lobby frazzled Nov 2013 #5
Guilt by association is un-American. Lane is an attorney who represented two clients. Octafish Nov 2013 #28
I can't believe you're defending this guy frazzled Nov 2013 #35
It's easy. Mark Lane says we don't know the whole truth, but it looks like CIA conspiracy. Octafish Nov 2013 #38
"Guilt by association is un-American." Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #36
rofl. nt BootinUp Nov 2013 #127
I watched the 'Firing Line' debate between Lane and Buckley on YouTube the other day KurtNYC Nov 2013 #6
I thought Mark Lane was outstanding in that match-up. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #30
The only thing "outstanding" about Mark Lane is his outstanding in a field. Archae Nov 2013 #37
It doesn't matter, but I believe Mark Lane is Jewish. He also is an attorney... Octafish Nov 2013 #41
Mark Lane's involvement with Liberty Lobby references the JFK assassination. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #50
False. zappaman Nov 2013 #52
Mel Ayton? The disinformationist? Octafish Nov 2013 #134
I'm pretty new to all the JFK conspiracy stuff, about the past 6-7 years or so. I was only 9 months Ghost in the Machine Nov 2013 #73
He does very well even as Buckley sneers and goes ad hom on him. KurtNYC Nov 2013 #42
Dr. Cyril Wecht believes it was a coup d'etat too. mother earth Nov 2013 #39
Thank you, mother earth. Dr. Wecht is a national treasure. Octafish Nov 2013 #46
YOU are a DU treasure, Octafish, keep the info coming. I look forward to your next reporting. mother earth Nov 2013 #47
+10000000000000000000000000 PCIntern Nov 2013 #49
... mother earth Nov 2013 #114
And yet when he was a part of the HSCA investigation, he agreed that the head wounds Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #51
That's funny, because Wecht said something different to the HSCA Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #137
"Secret Government": taking a mile mathematic Nov 2013 #40
You must be new to the term, mathematic. Octafish Nov 2013 #43
Enjoy your stay. n/t mattclearing Nov 2013 #74
Looks like you've got a host of Hugh Aynesworth wannabees in this thread Sir-K&R, NGU bobthedrummer Nov 2013 #44
It's like watching a flock take off and spin around... Octafish Nov 2013 #83
So much more eloquent than what I was going to say! SaveAmerica Nov 2013 #90
"Do you have a book about Kennedy that you recommend?" red dog 1 Nov 2013 #119
Here are a few good reads... Octafish Nov 2013 #133
a very good post in the best thread yet reddread Nov 2013 #140
K&R! Omaha Steve Nov 2013 #45
LBJ got Earl Warren to go along... Octafish Nov 2013 #84
Bill Hicks on JFK Initech Nov 2013 #54
Jim Hicks used comedy to spell out Truth. Octafish Nov 2013 #85
Thank you, Octafish, for your work on the assassination. A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #60
Same here... PCIntern Nov 2013 #61
'SPOOKS' MAKE LIFE MISERABLE FOR AMBASSADOR LODGE Octafish Nov 2013 #88
We forget that the first "conspiracy theorist" was Oswald himself. A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #111
Excellent post. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #67
Ford pardoned Nixon Octafish Nov 2013 #89
Yes, that is true. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #93
You should have seen Piers Morgan get the vapors. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #70
Thanks for the heads-up! Piers is something to behold. Octafish Nov 2013 #92
I finally got around to reading Lane's Rush to Judgment in the mid-70s. I usually save books but struggle4progress Nov 2013 #75
Mark Lane hasn't changed his mind since then. Octafish Nov 2013 #99
Seems after forty years, Lane's still working to get more than two pebbles in a straight line struggle4progress Nov 2013 #115
The ''Secret Service'' men on the Grassy Knoll Octafish Nov 2013 #128
A spoon of barley tossed into a barrel of water makes mighty thin gruel. Here's the testimony struggle4progress Nov 2013 #129
It's no joke. It's what TWO DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS REPORTED. Octafish Dec 2013 #182
K&R burrowowl Nov 2013 #76
I noticed a couple o' typos on re-reading in the cold light of a new day... Octafish Nov 2013 #94
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #86
I've still got a dog-eared copy of Rush to Judgment on my bookshelf. robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #87
You know Edwin Black? He wrote about the Chicago Plot... Octafish Nov 2013 #107
I love IBM and the Holocaust! robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #117
Joseph Adams Milteer saw that it keep going in Dallas 50 years ago... Octafish Dec 2013 #169
One more thing on the subject of Chicago robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #121
The Chicago Plot involved a tipster named ''Lee.'' And the DIA harrassed Edwin Black. Octafish Nov 2013 #132
Well, the DIA angle is a twist I wasn't aware of! robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #138
James Carroll wrote ''House of War''... Octafish Nov 2013 #139
I think you're right about the cabal. robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #143
I think YOU're right about the cabal... Octafish Dec 2013 #178
Octafish, did you SEE this? Veciana admits Bishop was Phillips! robertpaulsen Dec 2013 #191
And then the guy passed away. Octafish Dec 2013 #192
Apparently, Veciana's death was misreported, according to Vince Palamara. robertpaulsen Dec 2013 #193
I heard Lane speak many years ago. It was him Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #102
'Rush to Judgment' woke me up... Octafish Nov 2013 #126
Thank you Octafish i miss america Nov 2013 #113
Oliver Stone: JFK conspiracy deniers are in denial Octafish Nov 2013 #122
K&R...Thanks for posting. red dog 1 Nov 2013 #118
Mr. Lane credited himself on that one! Said it should've been called 'The Mark Lane Bill.' LOL! Octafish Nov 2013 #120
"The House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA).. red dog 1 Nov 2013 #123
Thanks! Octafish Nov 2013 #124
It was, indeed, Oliver Stone's "JFK" that got Congress to pass the "JFK Act" red dog 1 Nov 2013 #125
Deep gratitude for your work on this, Mr. Octafish Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #130
That's Acquila Clemons, who said it Oswald did not shoot Officer Tippit Octafish Nov 2013 #135
K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #131
For the Record... Octafish Nov 2013 #136
A Death Bed Declaration? CIA Tied to JFK Assassination Judi Lynn Dec 2013 #166
Well that's new information. what a great thread Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #167
Veciana was set to talk to Gaeton Fonzi re David Atlee Phillips... Octafish Dec 2013 #168
Citizen Lane by NCIS' Pauley Perrette MinM Dec 2013 #170
Thank you, MinM. Here's FBI Agent Donald A. Adams on Joseph Adams Milteer... Octafish Dec 2013 #187
Mr. Lane, I will never forget upi402 Dec 2013 #183
Seems the Novo Brothers helped assassinate Letelier and Moffit in 1976... Octafish Dec 2013 #188
K&R (nt). Kurovski Dec 2013 #185
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