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Jackpine Radical

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33. I have sometimes used the Lilienfeld PPI-R for forensic evaluations

Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:34 PM

Dec 2013

because of problems with subjectivity in the scoring of the Hare in adversarial settings. The average difference between experts for the prosecution and for the defense is about 10 points in some studies. The Hare is a rating scale, while the PPI-R is a self-report.

That said, both the Hare PCL-R and the PPI-R have one major defect: They were developed on people who got caught. I think, in fat, that they pick up on the traits of a certain class of street criminals, but don't identify more high-functioning psychopaths, who are better able to plan (and who avoid criminal records due to rich families & privilege, etc.).

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