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jeff47

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117. You missed the part about family history and genetic testing.

Sun Dec 8, 2013, 09:47 PM

Dec 2013

Factor 5 is a genetic disease, and the "disease" version of the gene is dominant. Thus one of the parents has to have it in order for the baby to have it. It's not like hemophilia where a parent can be an asymptomatic carrier.

Even if it isn't diagnosed in the parents, being dominant means it would show signs in the family history. If the OB is doing their job, they should be asking the parents about family tree, and be very interested if there's parts of the tree that experienced blood clots.

And even if that isn't enough, genetic testing can easily find it.

So the probability isn't the incidence rate of the disease. It's the probability of an undetected instance of the disease. Which is much more remote than the incidence rate of the disease.

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I was born with a genetic blood disorder Factor 5 where my blood clots too doc03 Dec 2013 #18

Not the case here: Sinistrous Dec 2013 #25

It's a probability issue. jeff47 Dec 2013 #27

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That's not the question. pnwmom Dec 2013 #83

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You missed the part about family history and genetic testing. jeff47 Dec 2013 #117

No one asked about this before they gave my son the Vitamin K shot. pnwmom Dec 2013 #119

Because it increases the probability, there should be some part of the tree with problems. jeff47 Dec 2013 #120

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