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MADem

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185. That's not "plausible deniability" though--those are just general statements.

Mon Dec 9, 2013, 05:52 PM

Dec 2013

Now, the statements may be true, or they may be false, but that's not the point I was making.

No one was "personally" attacked in either of those statements. Unless a person has a membership card in a formal club that says "John Doe: Dues-Paying Resident Woo Believer" or has a sig line that reads "Proud Member of the Age of Autism Gang" those posts were just GENERIC disparagements directed towards groups that the author did not agree with--they are not "PERSONAL" insults.

A personal insult has to be directed at a person. If a poster calls another poster names, e.g. You are (fill in the insult), that's personal. The examples provided are just a general statement of disagreement --they aren't at all specific.

The jury "got it" and that's good. It should have been six-nix, though.

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Four babies hemorrhage after parents refuse vitamin K shot, a practice on the rise [View all] NickB79 Dec 2013 OP

Isn't there some way to stop people like that? enlightenment Dec 2013 #1

A court would probably say he is within his 1st amendment rights to spew this BS iandhr Dec 2013 #30

This is how our healthcare system is so screwed up. Doctors don't explain shit to women honestly. kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #32

No this comes down to ranking on places like Google MattBaggins Dec 2013 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #80

Not really, especially when so many believe his nonsense. Many can be found right here on DU. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #191

So many idiots sharp_stick Dec 2013 #2

I feel a little more kindly toward the "idiots" etherealtruth Dec 2013 #3

Yes, 'A sucker born every minute.' elleng Dec 2013 #14

Well, since the taxpayers are likely to foot the bill for the results of this.... Turbineguy Dec 2013 #4

Mercola was the major funder of California's failed Prop 37 Retrograde Dec 2013 #7

Actually, that's incorrect. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #29

That is pretty funny. Mercola gave 1.2 million, Monsanto 8 million. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #96

Wow! I couldn't believe when Prop 37 failed emsimon33 Dec 2013 #128

What "facts" exactly are you speaking of? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #148

I want my food labeled katsy Dec 2013 #156

You're comparing a known, proven food allergy to something that, in spite of loads of research... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #177

Science gets better over time katsy Dec 2013 #184

Nobody IS depriving you of that right. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #190

Label it katsy Dec 2013 #195

Provide evidence that it's a harmful product worthy of a specific label. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #196

My demonstrating its harmful katsy Dec 2013 #200

What hyperbolic garbage. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #201

Their conclusions not mine. katsy Dec 2013 #203

More false equivalency. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #204

An opinion piece. I don't care what they say katsy Dec 2013 #205

Unless you can provide evidence that what is in your food is being hidden... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #206

I want kosher label I want GMO label katsy Dec 2013 #207

You do know there are GMO organic foods, right? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #211

Address my issues katsy Dec 2013 #213

So calling hyperbole is akin to an insult? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #216

apparently the fact that the proposition in question doesn't ban GMO foods magical thyme Dec 2013 #164

True. So why the constant push to make ever more and dumber examples? n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #22

Kicking for more exposure etherealtruth Dec 2013 #5

double kick Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #23

Need to make this a Google bomb MattBaggins Dec 2013 #66

Why aren't the parents in jail for abuse? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #6

What fraud? nt kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #33

Parents of "Accidental Shootings" Don't Go To Jail otohara Dec 2013 #162

Yet they should, for neglect, which is what all of this is... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #167

and the resident woo beleivers will be here in 3.. 2.. 1... dionysus Dec 2013 #8

Yeah, the age of autism gang, etc. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #38

At Sun Dec 8, 2013, 07:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post: In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #64

... Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #65

yup In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #68

Juror #3 you rock! Alerter, do follow juror's advice. Did I mention your alert really sucks? idwiyo Dec 2013 #91

Good grief--apparently the alerter doesn't realize that a "personal" attack MADem Dec 2013 #152

Plausible deniability (playing dumb) is a trick of the trade by some and a waste of time to contest. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #168

That's not "plausible deniability" though--those are just general statements. MADem Dec 2013 #185

Lol, nice. n/t X_Digger Dec 2013 #192

Mercola cited by me? No, not once, check it out. (This would've been a read-only thread if not 4you) proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #100

My predictive powers are exceeded only by my ability Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #104

Are you a wizard?...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #109

Nobody beats me. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #134

TLDR--and you're waaaaaay over the four paragraph limit, there. MADem Dec 2013 #153

It's not copyright material, so the 4-paragraph limit isn't applicable, correct? proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #154

Better? proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #161

Better for you and better for DU. MADem Dec 2013 #186

don't forget flouride and chemtrails.... dionysus Dec 2013 #102

Good god. Some parents ordering oral Vit K from the internet! mainer Dec 2013 #9

You would be surprised. Butterbean Dec 2013 #13

That is insane!!! Accept natural death over unnatural lifesaving measures? mainer Dec 2013 #15

Yep. There was a live birth, thankfully. The doctor was just beside himself. n/t Butterbean Dec 2013 #59

Squawk... Natural... Squawk.... Natural MattBaggins Dec 2013 #69

There's also a peer pressure sentiment in some motherhood circles Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #131

Yep, the mommy wars are rife with that crap. Butterbean Dec 2013 #132

YIKES! kdmorris Dec 2013 #147

HOLY CRAP, 37w5d TWINS that were both OVER 8LBS? Butterbean Dec 2013 #151

Frankly, we were surprised at their weight kdmorris Dec 2013 #194

Stanford University recommends the oral form for infants pnwmom Dec 2013 #37

Oral K is better than nothing, but it requires three doses mainer Dec 2013 #58

I am really lucky, have never had this happen to me in the wagon. littlewolf Dec 2013 #145

Ah, Mercola again... MineralMan Dec 2013 #10

I have precious little respect for the supporters of Dr. Woowoo. backscatter712 Dec 2013 #17

Good grief. HappyMe Dec 2013 #11

Anyone who believes in woo over science is an idiot. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #12

Mercola is clearly a dangerous idiot. But I do have a question. kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #16

Vitamin K does not cross the placenta etherealtruth Dec 2013 #19

Nature designed us for about 30% infant/childhood mortality. jeff47 Dec 2013 #24

Yes, we forget how brutal Mother Nature truly is mainer Dec 2013 #28

There is a theory about early cord clamping laundry_queen Dec 2013 #45

I delayed cord clamping and still did the vitamin K too gollygee Dec 2013 #92

Designed? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #73

Good lord. Ok: we EVOLVED to survive. So how does kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #106

We also evolved Nevernose Dec 2013 #113

Even with the list you gave we are far better off then 100 years ago Marrah_G Dec 2013 #121

We're far better off than we were 20 years ago Nevernose Dec 2013 #126

Wow! Marrah_G Dec 2013 #146

Nature designed us to have a 20-50% mortality rate for under-5 year olds. eridani Dec 2013 #125

Nail hit head...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #144

I was born with a genetic blood disorder Factor 5 where my blood clots too doc03 Dec 2013 #18

Not the case here: Sinistrous Dec 2013 #25

It's a probability issue. jeff47 Dec 2013 #27

Factor 5 isn't that unusual, so I'm not sure you're right. pnwmom Dec 2013 #39

This doesn't agree with the Israeli data mainer Dec 2013 #56

130/100,000 is the same as 1.3/1000 or .13/100. So fewer than Factor 5. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #72

The newborn death rate from Factor 5 is 130/100,000? mainer Dec 2013 #78

I am unable to find any data about neonatal deaths from Factor V mainer Dec 2013 #81

That's not the question. pnwmom Dec 2013 #83

I am looking into it. I think Vitamin K affects a different part of the clotting cycle mainer Dec 2013 #93

All I know is that they give Coumadin to people with Factor 5. pnwmom Dec 2013 #99

I did find this citation mainer Dec 2013 #108

Thanks! pnwmom Dec 2013 #110

I think the 130/100,000 DEATH RATE shows you how prevalent mainer Dec 2013 #103

mainer: You seem to be knowledgeable about this Factor V doc03 Dec 2013 #90

I'm not a hematologist. But it seems that clotting can occur at any time in your life mainer Dec 2013 #97

Factor V is what's called "co-dominant" jeff47 Dec 2013 #118

They now give pregnant women with the Factor V gene blood thinner shots, blue neen Dec 2013 #67

My daughter had one of those shots pnwmom Dec 2013 #70

I am so sorry to hear that. blue neen Dec 2013 #76

Thanks, blue neen! pnwmom Dec 2013 #88

You mean pregnant women get medical care?! Astounding! Lars39 Dec 2013 #160

You missed the part about family history and genetic testing. jeff47 Dec 2013 #117

No one asked about this before they gave my son the Vitamin K shot. pnwmom Dec 2013 #119

Because it increases the probability, there should be some part of the tree with problems. jeff47 Dec 2013 #120

But think how common heart disease is, and how many of deaths pnwmom Dec 2013 #123

The patient doesn't have to be aware. jeff47 Dec 2013 #124

I know that's what one poster argued, but I don't think that was pnwmom Dec 2013 #127

Your excerpt doesn't conflict with the shot not affecting Factor 5. jeff47 Dec 2013 #135

8% isn't that rare. And there are other mutations that put the overall pnwmom Dec 2013 #136

You're confusing the sickle-cell disease with the genes. jeff47 Dec 2013 #138

If given a choice, always choose a blood clot over a hemorrhage. Barack_America Dec 2013 #140

Here's an interesting paper: infant coagulation different from adults mainer Dec 2013 #158

Doctor of exactly what and where is he licensed to "practice"? SoapBox Dec 2013 #20

Israeli experience: drastic drop in deaths with Vit K administration mainer Dec 2013 #21

Big K & R for visibility TransitJohn Dec 2013 #26

What I really hate about Dr. Mercola is that so often his woo hedgehog Dec 2013 #31

How about on Facebook MattBaggins Dec 2013 #74

What is the excuse? Vitamin K causes Autism I guess nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #34

Could it be a concern about the preservative? Couldn't they just use pnwmom Dec 2013 #36

And in the meantime how many kids will die unecessary deaths? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #40

I'm not suggesting people not give newborns Vitamin K. pnwmom Dec 2013 #41

Because there is no harm in it nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #42

That doesn't answer my question. pnwmom Dec 2013 #43

They are available in single dose form at the doctor's office nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #46

b s Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #129

Every vit K shot and hep B shot we give to newborns at every hospital Butterbean Dec 2013 #130

I have, different national health system I suppose nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #163

You worked L&D too? I thought you did EMS. I must be confused. Butterbean Dec 2013 #173

I guess the Mexican Healht System works EXACTLY as the American system does nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #180

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh-kay.................... Butterbean Dec 2013 #181

What I wrote, and YOU WENT OVER THE EDGE nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #183

LOL. Okee doke, you keep on having a hissy fit there. n/t Butterbean Dec 2013 #187

Now this is down right comedic nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #188

Nadin, honey, I'm just gonna let you keep yelling. Butterbean Dec 2013 #189

Exactly honey who is yelling? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #193

Because a blood test is just as invasive, and requires more time to process results. Butterbean Dec 2013 #71

We learned about Factor 5 the hard way. pnwmom Dec 2013 #75

Yeah, I've had a few patients with it. Butterbean Dec 2013 #77

I checked the pediatric literature. They do not recommend routine neonatal Factor V screening mainer Dec 2013 #82

It's too bad there isn't some cost effective way for everyone pnwmom Dec 2013 #85

I agree, I have seen some very scary things happen at work due to Butterbean Dec 2013 #89

My case of DVT in my 7th month was almost missed. pnwmom Dec 2013 #95

I could talk a blue streak about stuff like that, but we haven't got all night. LOL. Butterbean Dec 2013 #101

That is the one major lesson I've learned over the decades. pnwmom Dec 2013 #114

Amen, and well said. Facepalm about the celiac ignorant oncologist. Yikes. n/t Butterbean Dec 2013 #122

Same here I had two cases of DVT now I have a Greenfield doc03 Dec 2013 #94

I wonder if you're taking any other drug that increases your risk pnwmom Dec 2013 #98

I had radiation for an eye tumor a year before I started having clots doc03 Dec 2013 #105

There's no comparing a cerebral hemorrhage to a peripheral clot. Barack_America Dec 2013 #141

Great one, Nadine. longship Dec 2013 #133

Hucksters really, and I mean this, really get my goat nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #166

There is no concern about the preservative Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #47

The power of hucksters I say nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #48

Thanks. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #50

Actually, if there is an autism concern, Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #139

It's a cancer concern...that has been as thoroughly disproven... Barack_America Dec 2013 #142

I saw both concerns mentioned in the article - Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #150

Woo is bad. Deadly, even. But I think there's a reason it's on the rise. Nine Dec 2013 #35

Our major media is mostly to blame. Archae Dec 2013 #44

Doctor Oz anyone? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #79

Fuck Mercola and his death-causing woo. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #49

Psycho emotional damage? He's even more full of shit than usual. Warpy Dec 2013 #51

I thought we had reached a point in civilization loyalsister Dec 2013 #116

Idiots Lithos Dec 2013 #52

Anyone reading his newsletter can see Celebration Dec 2013 #53

And, just by coincidence, he SELLS vitamin K NickB79 Dec 2013 #62

No Oral dosing is not the way to go. MattBaggins Dec 2013 #84

Goddamn those fucking quacks! Aristus Dec 2013 #54

Fuck mercola and all the other woo peddlers... SidDithers Dec 2013 #55

I heard this kind of thing a lot when I was pregnant gollygee Dec 2013 #57

As soon as someone utters the word "natural" MattBaggins Dec 2013 #86

Many of you don't remember the bad old days. I do. mainer Dec 2013 #60

I'm amazed. I knew about Vitamin K and clotting. When did they start giving them to newborns? freshwest Dec 2013 #137

Since about 1961 mainer Dec 2013 #157

Thanks. A friend's daughter had the PKU problem. It's a big deal. n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #170

Every time someone links to that asshole Mercolas site MattBaggins Dec 2013 #61

k&r There must be some way to stop thar murderous bastard Mercola. idwiyo Dec 2013 #87

It's like the fucking autism link that was made years ago sakabatou Dec 2013 #107

I am so happy I am old HockeyMom Dec 2013 #111

........what are you even talking about? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #149

I would not want to be a young pregnant woman in 2013 HockeyMom Dec 2013 #169

Pregnancy is the most dangerous thing a young woman will go through mainer Dec 2013 #175

You do understand that testing is amazingly helpful, right? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #178

Like a sonogram EVERY MONTH starting at 6 weeks? HockeyMom Dec 2013 #208

Was she a high risk pregnancy? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #210

No HockeyMom Dec 2013 #212

Is she overweight? that was a factor for us. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #217

Why not? Young pregnant women are more aware of the risks, and compared to older... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #198

My daughter was a breech in 1979 HockeyMom Dec 2013 #209

Do you have a point? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #215

Mercola get the red out Dec 2013 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #143

I know this guy is a menace Aerows Dec 2013 #159

It's already been posted uptread that vitamin K does not cross the placenta. LisaL Dec 2013 #165

Thanks, I hadn't read the article as thoroughly as I should have Aerows Dec 2013 #171

It does pass into breastmilk though. nt laundry_queen Dec 2013 #221

YES, CHOOSE, ob-gyn or bad info. How's this question going to shake out among posters on the thread? proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #172

Related. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #174

Oh please Aerows Dec 2013 #176

Missed my point totally. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #179

Did we get these shots in the 40's and 50's? WinkyDink Dec 2013 #182

No, and the infant mortality and disability rates reflected that. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #197

Oh. Well, we must have had a lot of births, becoming the largest generation. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #202

Didn't get them in the 70s or 80s either HockeyMom Dec 2013 #214

Actually yes it did, for example: Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #218

My kids were born in NYC HockeyMom Dec 2013 #219

Question, did I make that claim? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #220

I don't really understand your disdain for modern medicine. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #222

That's because it secretly poisoning us, that's why we live longer and healthier than we ever have.. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #223

Kick for "scientific materialism"... SidDithers Dec 2013 #199