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grasswire

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176. you didn't read what I wrote

Mon Dec 9, 2013, 05:57 PM

Dec 2013

A rx is not necessary for antibiotics in 28 European countries. But most people DO use a script anyway. Fewer than ten percent of the antibiotic prescriptions in those countries are purchased without a prescription. So the common claim that open access to antibiotics will wreak havoc on a country's health is not supported.

The important thing is that each citizen has the choice to obtain a prescription for antibiotic. This means that marginalized people who for one reason or another can not or will not see a physician can obtain advice on their own and treat themselves.

The monopolistic franchise arranged between the government and the medical community forces every citizen to seek an appointment to get a needed (and sometimes life-saving) med. It's an artificial construct. And the arguments against open access to antibiotics are not supported by evidence -- they are simply fearmongering.

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The doctor's office just told me that they were not allowed to call in [View all] Maraya1969 Dec 2013 OP

Are you a doctor? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #1

He is not going to do any tests either. He is going to look into my throat Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #3

And he is likely to tell you that you have a viral infection. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #7

I've only had this about 55 times in my life. Yea I don't know the Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #9

So you are a doctor, or just have special powers of diagnosis not requiring medical training? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #11

So I just got back and I have an infection - not a virus as you Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #47

2 hrs Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #86

Okay: a virus IS an infection, just not a bacterial infection. Aristus Dec 2013 #126

What test did the doctor perform to determine that it was a bacterial infection? FarCenter Dec 2013 #132

So you took my advice and got a proper medical diagnosis? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #151

Problem solved, then. You went to the doctor, who prescribed for you. MineralMan Dec 2013 #153

yes, it's a monopolistic franchise grasswire Dec 2013 #160

lol cleanhippie Dec 2013 #197

Maybe it's that pipi_k Dec 2013 #15

MY lung doctor knows that it can be deadly not to prescribe an antibiotic Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #53

If he's doing it pipi_k Dec 2013 #188

I totally understand marsis Dec 2013 #22

I know. It is really pissing me off. Like a diabetic learns his body Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #48

...after examining you in person. brooklynite Dec 2013 #60

I totally get it, too. And I am a doctor (veterinarian). I am very prone to complications of kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #76

laryngitis and bronchitis can also be (and most often are) viral Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #124

They do start out as viral, but then develop secondary bacterial kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #251

You can have lung and sinus infections that are viral. it doesn't matter how many times you've had Aristus Dec 2013 #24

You won't get dark green phlegm with a viral infection. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2013 #40

Happens all the time. Aristus Dec 2013 #49

Yes you do. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #128

If a person has a cough for weeks on end, pnwmom Dec 2013 #217

The key part of that being - "a doctor should rule out" Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #228

I swear by zinc also, but for once, it didn't work recently. pnwmom Dec 2013 #238

That would be why it didn't work . . . Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #243

Yes, you can. Toward the... 3catwoman3 Dec 2013 #138

Really? What would you prescribe a person who is having asthmatic Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #51

First, a nebulizer treatment, then symptomatic treatment. Aristus Dec 2013 #67

I also said green thick mucus and no fever. Is that not evidense of Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #96

Yeah, I always like to exam my patients.Obviously, I can't do that in this case. Aristus Dec 2013 #108

Did you not hear? I posted that I am now back from the doctor's and Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #112

Boo! Aristus Dec 2013 #118

Can't stand it when you are wrong? Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #123

Yes. I can't stand it when I'm wrong. Aristus Dec 2013 #141

On night duty in the ED for a few nights elias7 Dec 2013 #165

Right there with you. Aristus Dec 2013 #172

Thank you for weighing in on this Ruby the Liberal Dec 2013 #203

I hate to be a downer but come watch us brand this spring Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #205

I'm aware of the role that feeding massive amounts of antibiotics to livestock Aristus Dec 2013 #207

Okay Doc Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #241

Wow! Really? Are you sure you want to make an argument that's that stupid? Aristus Dec 2013 #249

So you are telling me, that the gut flora will become resistant Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #259

I can see this is going nowhere. You obviously didn't read what I wrote. Aristus Dec 2013 #260

Of course they don't work on viruses. My point is, Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #261

Are you talking about feeding antibiotics to livestock? pnwmom Dec 2013 #223

How will you feel the first time one of your patients -- pnwmom Dec 2013 #221

Wow. Now you have me killing people, huh? Aristus Dec 2013 #224

Some hospital and doctor mistakes do kill people. pnwmom Dec 2013 #226

He needed intubation, not antibiotics. Barack_America Dec 2013 #234

The doctors who testified said he should have been put on I.V. antibiotics. pnwmom Dec 2013 #236

Antibiotics don't treat respiratory failure. Barack_America Dec 2013 #244

He wasn't in respiratory failure when he entered the hospital. pnwmom Dec 2013 #256

Um, no. Pneumonia is diagnosed by chest X-ray, not sputum culture. Barack_America Dec 2013 #233

Often doctors will wait to prescribe any antibiotic pnwmom Dec 2013 #237

And what evidence are you looking for? Cultures that take days pnwmom Dec 2013 #218

You're not acknowledging that viral pneumonia can be complicated pnwmom Dec 2013 #213

Yes. I didn't acknowledge that. Aristus Dec 2013 #220

If you really wanted to advocate for all of us, pnwmom Dec 2013 #222

There are plenty of people advocating for that already. Aristus Dec 2013 #225

"Please don't waste my time with this." pnwmom Dec 2013 #227

Wasting bandwidth, then. Aristus Dec 2013 #232

There are good doctors, and there are M.Deities. pnwmom Dec 2013 #240

Nobody denies that there are some bad practitioners out there. Aristus Dec 2013 #245

If your "lung Doctor" will call it in, why not call him/her? karynnj Dec 2013 #33

My PULMONOLOGIST is away and he will not prescribe unless he is in Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #56

I am trying to understand the complaint BlueStreak Dec 2013 #81

MY PULMONOLOGIST HAS BEEN PRESCRIBING FOR ME FOR YEARS! Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #85

If he has been doing this for years and you keep requiring antibiotics BlueStreak Dec 2013 #91

the pulmonologist might feel more comfortable doing it treestar Dec 2013 #182

Okay, so you normally see another doctor for this sort of thing Yo_Mama Dec 2013 #180

I agree with you Samantha Dec 2013 #58

Because bacterial infections result from a specific exposure to a specific bacteria. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #133

Do you really not understand that infections Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #121

you've had something that required antibiotics 55 times? CreekDog Dec 2013 #209

Call the lung guy. GeorgeGist Dec 2013 #235

How can you say that? Asthmatics often get viral infections pnwmom Dec 2013 #212

actually if she has green mucus she most likely has a bacterial infection azurnoir Dec 2013 #230

So you too, are a doctor? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #252

I think you should look down thread :) azurnoir Dec 2013 #257

if you are so unstable that the walk from the car to Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #130

One thing about over-prescribing Orrex Dec 2013 #6

Another huge problem pipi_k Dec 2013 #18

That's a great observation Orrex Dec 2013 #25

Same here, and... pipi_k Dec 2013 #190

Just to play the devils advocate marsis Dec 2013 #92

Personal body awarness means bupkus in terms of distinguishing bacterial infections Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #136

bupkus well that is a stretch, marsis Dec 2013 #155

Unfortunately, with respect to the distinction between viral and bacterial respiratory infections Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #174

So glad you have a handle marsis Dec 2013 #255

I suspect doing the test once or twice Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #258

Maybe. pipi_k Dec 2013 #191

Feeding antibiotics to cattle is what is causing epidemic of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #36

Lying is not the right thing. Mariana Dec 2013 #117

Are you an asthmatic? How many times have you yourself had pneumonia? pnwmom Dec 2013 #211

Jesus fucking Christ. Who knew that advising one to get proper medical attention would be so bad! cleanhippie Dec 2013 #253

You aren't allowed to prescribe your own drugs sharp_stick Dec 2013 #2

That is not true. Th1onein Dec 2013 #164

Why don't you also order 500 Vicodin, since you're self-prescribing anyway? Orrex Dec 2013 #4

Oh Gawd. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #5

I hear you NV Whino Dec 2013 #10

You forgot the part where you PAY THEM before you even get into Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #59

Viral infections vanish on their own - Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #137

Well, a cold is a viral infection, not bacterial nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #163

Slap yourself all you want. You still can't self-prescribe. Orrex Dec 2013 #14

any life-threating condition sweetapogee Dec 2013 #34

It is not self prescribing. It is speaking with the doctor over the phone Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #61

Well, get a new doctor, since you obviously know more than this one. Orrex Dec 2013 #75

IT'S NOT FUCKING CONVENIENCE!! DO YOU KNOW WHEN A PERSON Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #82

THEN GO TO THE FUCKING HOSPITAL BEFORE YOU PASS OUT!! Orrex Dec 2013 #99

I feel your pain, I have ashtma nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #166

I had pneumonia in theearly 1980's. right lung only. pangaia Dec 2013 #8

I know you're not serious, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #19

party pooper. dionysus Dec 2013 #28

Sorry about that, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #29

i once had a coworker innocently offer "i can mail you some of mine, right?" dionysus Dec 2013 #31

Yep. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #41

the poor lady didn't even know they were controlled... i had to explain the concept. dionysus Dec 2013 #42

post flagged by the DEA.. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #37

Post flagged by the NSA Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #50

I'm guessing surveillance at DU is mostly done by the FBI. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #63

I would say, with some experience, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #71

Is that the marshalls service?... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #83

Correct, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #93

So does the media... every amber alert and I am trolling nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #170

Good luck catching me for those BlockBuster Video late fees, copper! Orrex Dec 2013 #107

Ahhh, but you just don't know, but you've just been moved Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #113

Doh! That puts me above those mattress tag scofflaws! Orrex Dec 2013 #114

It's hard time for you I tell ya, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #116

The name is Agent Mike Hunt. He's all over DU!! madinmaryland Dec 2013 #189

Yeah it was a joke OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #178

If the DEA wants them they are welcome to them pangaia Dec 2013 #206

lol, it makes as much sense. loli phabay Dec 2013 #62

Reminds me of the Vet on Saturday wercal Dec 2013 #12

Same thing for my vet... pipi_k Dec 2013 #21

CoQ10 would probably help her a lot. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #66

Upon checking pipi_k Dec 2013 #246

I had an adopted dog Rusty, an old Beagle dog who had a lot of problems Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #262

dogs and cats get a lot of the same antibiotics that people do magical thyme Dec 2013 #30

Well then you'll need a vet to prescribe it sharp_stick Dec 2013 #44

that is the point of my post. it is why vets will not prescribe without actually seeing your pet. nt magical thyme Dec 2013 #248

And it hasn't occured to any of you that it might have a bit to do with Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #64

From the CDC website: wercal Dec 2013 #79

Speaking of risk BlueStreak Dec 2013 #88

Its a huge risk wercal Dec 2013 #95

The doc would lose 100% of those cases BlueStreak Dec 2013 #104

Money. Good point. Aristus Dec 2013 #147

Yes. And I do realize the similarity between me and a kitchen. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #148

Was the allergory too complex for you? Sorry. Aristus Dec 2013 #150

Please remember, Change has come Dec 2013 #219

As it has been pointed out to you, it has to do with reducing the abuse of anitbiotics nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #168

How is that extreme?? We are required to maintain a valid doctor-client-patient relationship, kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #89

I really don't think its extreme wercal Dec 2013 #101

If they aren't comfortable with that, you will just have to go in. HappyMe Dec 2013 #13

He is allowed to call in a prescription. He just doesn't want to mainer Dec 2013 #16

Lying about the reason was wrong. Mariana Dec 2013 #149

Agree. I think the lying sucks mainer Dec 2013 #154

I don't think her doctor would mind elias7 Dec 2013 #167

That may be true. Mariana Dec 2013 #186

Preppers and doomsters buy antibiotics from aquarium supply stores. FarCenter Dec 2013 #17

Whaaaat?! HappyMe Dec 2013 #20

Just google "how to buy antibiotics without a prescription" FarCenter Dec 2013 #23

I wouldn't be comfortable with dosing myself HappyMe Dec 2013 #32

They are the exact same antibiotics for which a doctor RebelOne Dec 2013 #90

How the hell do you know how many to take? HappyMe Dec 2013 #97

milligrams are milligrams grasswire Dec 2013 #111

True. 840high Dec 2013 #27

I buy my antibiotics from pet supply websites RebelOne Dec 2013 #84

Not just preppers and doomsters...people who don't have insurance do the same. ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #229

antibiotics are different than other drugs alc Dec 2013 #26

Antibiotics screw up the digestive tract FarCenter Dec 2013 #39

I know - I also take probiotics. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #68

We *so* need to talk!!! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #98

I'm not an expert in the field -- just a casual observer of the science scene FarCenter Dec 2013 #120

One thing that was recommended forever by my pediatrician nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #171

if you come in they can get a swab for culturing magical thyme Dec 2013 #35

yes and if they did that years ago, while waiting for the damn culture Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #72

no. when they see you they can give you a broad spectrum antibiotic. magical thyme Dec 2013 #250

My husband has to take antibiotics every time he goes to the dentist HockeyMom Dec 2013 #38

Thank you. All these "doctors" are pissing me off. For some people Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #74

that's why you should see your doctor Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #106

Why a doctor needs to make sure it is due to a BACTERIA and not a VIRUS nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #193

Your husband has as specific predisposition to bacterial infections Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #139

I agree and that was my point HockeyMom Dec 2013 #177

. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #199

Those OTCs containing pseudoephedrine... 3catwoman3 Dec 2013 #173

Last time I bought that decongestant in NY (3 months ago) OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #183

It's about drug resistance, and also, frazzled Dec 2013 #43

That is exactly what my daughters pediatrician said 30 years ago HockeyMom Dec 2013 #57

It is actually the bacteria that builds up the immunity - Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #140

Yes! Your daughter's pediatrician knew his stuff, and so do you. Avalux Dec 2013 #143

It's all about money with my doctor too. My old doctor B Calm Dec 2013 #45

It doesn't have anything to do with money. HappyMe Dec 2013 #46

Whatever. . If I don't feel right I make an appointment. He B Calm Dec 2013 #54

They can just call into the laboratory that draws the blood. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #77

Well, you have to go to the doctor's office HappyMe Dec 2013 #80

I don't know one doctor that draws blood anymore. They all make you Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #87

You don't know ALL doctors. HappyMe Dec 2013 #94

Same with my doc. I think this is more common than ever. BlueStreak Dec 2013 #100

My husband did have 2 vials taken. HappyMe Dec 2013 #105

It's bullshit. Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #52

Thank you. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #78

That's my bet too. backscatter712 Dec 2013 #102

What a crappy doctor wanting to SEE their patients and not randomly prescribe medicine tammywammy Dec 2013 #55

The nerve of him/her! HappyMe Dec 2013 #70

boo hoo! grasswire Dec 2013 #115

Okay, just let everyone diagnose themselves HappyMe Dec 2013 #119

why not? grasswire Dec 2013 #125

LOL! HappyMe Dec 2013 #127

why don't you trust fellow citizens to think for themselves? grasswire Dec 2013 #131

As I said before, HappyMe Dec 2013 #134

no one is seeking to limit your health choices grasswire Dec 2013 #159

Ah, yes. The "Experts? I don't need no stinkin' experts" Libertarian mantra. Orrex Dec 2013 #135

preposterous? grasswire Dec 2013 #158

Yes, preposterous. Orrex Dec 2013 #162

If people make choices pipi_k Dec 2013 #187

your prediction is not supported by evidence. grasswire Dec 2013 #204

I think people pipi_k Dec 2013 #192

So, can we call it a day? brooklynite Dec 2013 #65

In Florida the only medicine I think it NOT allowed called in 1awake Dec 2013 #69

I am a libertarian regarding the rx exclusive franchise MDs/government have created. grasswire Dec 2013 #73

And when antibiotic resistant bacteria start exploding in proliferation worse than now... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #103

as someone else said above grasswire Dec 2013 #109

28 European countries require no rx for antibiotics grasswire Dec 2013 #122

Europeans DO have a problem! Here are some links!... yawnmaster Dec 2013 #196

Here are the 28 countries listed... yawnmaster Dec 2013 #200

.. abelenkpe Dec 2013 #110

I'm sorry but you can't do this with antibiotics. Avalux Dec 2013 #146

28 European countries allow antibiotics with no Rx. grasswire Dec 2013 #156

Please read this European report on the subject. The vast majority obtain prescription... yawnmaster Dec 2013 #201

Quit using Europe as justification for unregulated antibiotic use. Avalux Dec 2013 #247

In Europe they STILL write scripts for things like Antibiotics, but I am proof positive you nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #169

you didn't read what I wrote grasswire Dec 2013 #176

I fear the WHO is also in the fear mongering business too nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #185

Europeans are quite concerned about overuse of antibiotics Yo_Mama Dec 2013 #181

Not sure if it is a federal law, but most doctors in the country want to see you before prescribing lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #129

I know you're upset, but there's a good reason for not giving it to you on your word. Avalux Dec 2013 #142

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #144

A virus is a pathogen. Avalux Dec 2013 #145

I think drug stores are behind this, so they are not held liable SoCalDem Dec 2013 #152

FL law or not - doctors should not prescribe antibiotics without seeing patients. yellowcanine Dec 2013 #157

You got that right. Aristus Dec 2013 #161

Society is harmed greatly by improper use of antibiotics. With antibiotics, in particular,... yawnmaster Dec 2013 #175

the dangerous overuse of antibiotics.... grasswire Dec 2013 #179

absolutely wrong. A resistant form appearing in a human directly affects humans... yawnmaster Dec 2013 #184

The problem is like 90% agriculture, if not more. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #194

Not seeing that in the literature... yawnmaster Dec 2013 #198

Im not saying prescribing to humans shouldn't be judicious, still Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #202

Don't get me wrong, I agree that prophylactic ag use is definitely a problem... yawnmaster Dec 2013 #239

Just my opinion energumen Dec 2013 #195

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #208

Er... LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #210

I just served on a jury for this one Aerows Dec 2013 #214

I was the one who alerted. LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #215

Results: Aerows Dec 2013 #216

Antibiotics won't treat your asthma exacerbation, steroids and albuterol will. Barack_America Dec 2013 #231

Have you been to see them in the last 6 months? kdmorris Dec 2013 #242

Why we need to relax the idiotic pharmacy laws in the US JCMach1 Dec 2013 #254