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WillyT

(72,631 posts) Mon Dec 9, 2013, 11:56 PM Dec 2013

I Have No Words... The Rape Threads Meet The Authoritarian Threads... [View all]

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4149970

Just remember... if this ever gets proved to be governmental manipulation over these charges to impugn Assange... and are found true to be made-up...

The cause of victims of rape will be set back again... for years.

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I Have No Words... The Rape Threads Meet The Authoritarian Threads... [View all] WillyT Dec 2013 OP

And if it turns out he is a douche that assaults women Egnever Dec 2013 #1

If That Is True... I Would Support His Prosecution, However... WillyT Dec 2013 #4

Only if Assange promises to let the Swedish authorities arrest him in the embassy hack89 Dec 2013 #70

actually i wouldn't want Assange's promise Bodhi BloodWave Dec 2013 #141

Considering that one of the two women is outraged over being used in this political game and has sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #31

^^^this. exactly. nt magical thyme Dec 2013 #83

Thank you, sabrina 1 tosh Dec 2013 #90

You're welcome. Facts are inconvenient apparently to those who want to protect War Criminals sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #129

Her account is entirely fabricated BainsBane Dec 2013 #134

+1 Matariki Dec 2013 #116

Pure fabrication. Assange has hidden out for three years BainsBane Dec 2013 #132

No need for a trial then. You have it all figured out. Nine Dec 2013 #135

And he was! And still is. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #93

You think the .1% are COVERING for Assange and not trying to ruin his life? EOTE Dec 2013 #107

I had to chuckle at that. They've got a lot of us fooled, big time. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #108

Yes, they certainly do. EOTE Dec 2013 #109

He kinda is, to a certain extent. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #110

The fact that they're playing nice with him while he still has PLENTY of goods on him does NOT mean EOTE Dec 2013 #112

"The cause of victims of rape will be set back again... for years." AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #2

Then Why Didn't The Swedes Come To The Equadorian Embassy To Depose Him ??? WillyT Dec 2013 #3

Incompetency? Bribes? Maybe outright corruption, even? AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #5

he is being accused of a criminal act. who is he to dictate the terms of engagement? first. seabeyond Dec 2013 #7

You Make My Argument... WillyT Dec 2013 #13

no. i did not make your argument. not even close. how we dismiss rape today wont matter an iota seabeyond Dec 2013 #18

Because that's how asylum works Recursion Dec 2013 #54

Why the hell should they? TorchTheWitch Dec 2013 #80

Great informative post. Really glad that so many of you are posting the FACTS surrounding this Number23 Dec 2013 #122

Because they aren't there to 'depose' him but arrest him. Which they cannot do, given msanthrope Dec 2013 #96

Um no. Nothing has been proven. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #11

Except she didn't testify that she was "willing". Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #20

Exactly! What is so hard about this? AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #111

one of these "poor women" says he didn't rape her and she has no fear of him. The other is a proven magical thyme Dec 2013 #85

Unfortunately, rape victims will often have a hard time saying how they really feel..... AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #88

thank you for instructing me on how rape victims feel. magical thyme Dec 2013 #91

I'm sorry, but I really *wasn't* trying to tell you how you were "supposed" to feel. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #92

Please stop denigrating women this way. It is disgustign to read comments like this as if sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #117

You may wish to read my reply to magical thyme, btw. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #118

wow that's rich backwoodsbob Dec 2013 #123

She wasn't tricked, she was deceived. So you agree that women are not capable of thinking for sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #127

The allegation is that he initiated intercourse with her while she was asleep and unable to consent. Nine Dec 2013 #147

Why? treestar Dec 2013 #6

International banking information Aerows Dec 2013 #10

They never will be found to be made-up Aerows Dec 2013 #8

"The cause of rape victims". Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #9

And yet Aerows Dec 2013 #12

Because he's wanted for ARREST. Not for questioning. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #21

It is when he isn't in custody. Aerows Dec 2013 #25

Not really, it isn't. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #26

I did, and am Aerows Dec 2013 #27

No, he can't, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #30

Did you read the same document that I did? Aerows Dec 2013 #39

And? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #47

it's right there at the end Aerows Dec 2013 #48

Except they can't guarantee that if there's no such request. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #52

There are no charges of espionage. The sentence you are quoting is indicative of the judicial msanthrope Dec 2013 #53

Did ever you happen to read any of the many UK court documents from the extradition case? struggle4progress Dec 2013 #66

Actually, her police report was that she had gone Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #15

No. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #23

Grounding a plane in Austria Aerows Dec 2013 #33

And doesn't have anything to do with Assange being charged with rape and sexual assault. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #38

Nor does allowing him to stand trial in Sweden Aerows Dec 2013 #40

Except Sweden can't make that guarantee Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #41

Oh, there is a bunch of willful ignorance Aerows Dec 2013 #44

Interesting how these things always seem to come back to Ecuador Recursion Dec 2013 #56

That was alleged of the Bolivian president's plane, not the Ecuadorian president's plane struggle4progress Dec 2013 #63

D'oh. Had my republics mixed up Recursion Dec 2013 #64

one more to the list BainsBane Dec 2013 #137

You don't find it just a LITTLE bit interesting how this question never quite seems to be resolved? sibelian Dec 2013 #101

What question? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #106

Mm-hm. sibelian Dec 2013 #113

Except apparently he was. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #115

Facts mean nothing to these people BainsBane Dec 2013 #138

How? It's his choice to evade prosecution BainsBane Dec 2013 #14

Assange would be given a lesser sentence most likely Aerows Dec 2013 #16

Nonsense BainsBane Dec 2013 #43

"No one should be above the law." WillyT Dec 2013 #45

He's been locked up in the ecuadorian embassy Aerows Dec 2013 #46

He's been in the Ecuadoran embassy for ~ 17 months...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #68

Nah. Greenwald comes and goes as he pleases, and the US has said Assange isn't wanted Recursion Dec 2013 #57

I appreciate your point that if he is a rapist he needs to answer for that. Vattel Dec 2013 #17

His guilt or innocence can only be determined by going to Sweden BainsBane Dec 2013 #34

You are not understanding me. Vattel Dec 2013 #73

You could apply the same argument to Roman Polanski cemaphonic Dec 2013 #121

You are still not understanding me. Vattel Dec 2013 #126

Guilty or innocent, anyone accused would avoid the risks/expenses of a trial if it were up to them. cemaphonic Dec 2013 #130

I give up Vattel Dec 2013 #142

"Innocent people have no obligation to stand trial"??? Recursion Dec 2013 #145

An innocent person has no obligation to expose themselves to a risk of wrongful conviction. Vattel Dec 2013 #151

No, it's an absolutely horrible principle Recursion Dec 2013 #152

My principle is not Vattel Dec 2013 #153

That's a meaningless difference Recursion Dec 2013 #154

I disagree. Vattel Dec 2013 #155

Yes, you absolutely have a moral obligation to stand trial Recursion Dec 2013 #156

Most people charged with a serious crime Vattel Dec 2013 #157

Because he is an accused person under Swedish law BainsBane Dec 2013 #139

If he is guilty, then I agree that he should return to Sweden. Vattel Dec 2013 #143

The question here is what will you do BainsBane Dec 2013 #146

Because I don't know whether Assange is innocent or not, Vattel Dec 2013 #150

So What You Are Saying... Is That If Julian Assange Goes To Sweden, And Is Absolved Of These Charges WillyT Dec 2013 #19

He will never go free Aerows Dec 2013 #22

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #24

This is the correct answer. woo me with science Dec 2013 #32

I don't know, nor do I see that as the relevant issue BainsBane Dec 2013 #29

Wow... Simple Question... Just In Case You Get Proved Wrong... WillyT Dec 2013 #35

That is NOT the question you asked BainsBane Dec 2013 #58

I Care That You Asnwer That Particular Quiestion... WillyT Dec 2013 #59

Which question is it now? BainsBane Dec 2013 #61

It is the most cynical, dishonest, and revolting argument yet by the authoritarians in power. woo me with science Dec 2013 #28

Again... + 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #36

Re: "The propaganda machine has shown many times that it is beneath shame" AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #37

Guilty Until Proven Innocent, Eh ??? - How "American Of You." WillyT Dec 2013 #42

According to some people, you should have to prove innocence when it comes to rape davidn3600 Dec 2013 #51

Hilarious. This is the second time I have seen this talking point today. woo me with science Dec 2013 #55

Hey woo...you've been ignoring my questions...which count of the EAW is a misdemeanor subject to a msanthrope Dec 2013 #60

I don't think any answers will be forthcoming from this crew. Just cries of "propaganda!1' and Number23 Dec 2013 #124

And Stasi!!! nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #131

Rape is a misdemeanor charge that would amount to a fine? You might wish to msanthrope Dec 2013 #50

You will know them by their posts bobduca Dec 2013 #71

:) woo me with science Dec 2013 #74

I agree with you, bobduca. Feral Child Dec 2013 #125

Absolutely! polly7 Dec 2013 #77

I'll ask you the question the rape apologists seem to be evading...I posted the warrant, msanthrope Dec 2013 #79

msanthrope, with all due respect .... polly7 Dec 2013 #81

Do you have any proof that these women set him up? Did you even read the msanthrope Dec 2013 #82

YES I read the warrant. polly7 Dec 2013 #84

Which allegation do you think is bullshit? Assange conceded to the acts described...I mean, you msanthrope Dec 2013 #87

The man seems to have had sex with two different women within the space of several days and seems struggle4progress Dec 2013 #49

Yeah, I haven't trusted him for a while either. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #119

UGH, that's a real thing, too MisterP Dec 2013 #62

That thread went downhill in a hurry. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #65

Assange's defenders are the Todd Akins of the left. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #67

oh look, "one who really make me sick" bobduca Dec 2013 #69

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #76

Oh look someone I had to take off ignore to reply to! bobduca Dec 2013 #86

Yes, yes, labels and adjectives. sibelian Dec 2013 #103

What is that 'evidence' exactly? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #140

Ah, yes, Sweden, that dictatorial hell-hole Recursion Dec 2013 #144

Do you actually have a contradiction to offer? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #148

Do you think charging people with rape is authoritarianism? gollygee Dec 2013 #72

You "have no words"? Really? Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #75

They Assange apologists disgust me BainsBane Dec 2013 #133

The usual suspects doing their usual depraved thing whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #78

Which, sadly, is exactly what the Assange supporters are doing....even if they don't realize it! nt AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #94

Empire? Assange is an empire? BainsBane Dec 2013 #136

Congratulations! whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #149

... SidDithers Dec 2013 #89

I think conflating two wholly separate issues will set the cause of rational thought back again... LanternWaste Dec 2013 #95

Sigh. Does the trash ever get full? ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #97

The one thing the authoritarians are regretting right now... backscatter712 Dec 2013 #98

^^This^^. Yes. nt Zorra Dec 2013 #100

Their flubbering was hilarious and utterly transparent. Their only weapon was sheer volume. sibelian Dec 2013 #104

Yep. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #105

Try not to take the MIC authoritarian propagandist trolls too seriously, WillyT. Zorra Dec 2013 #99

Oh... I Don't... WillyT Dec 2013 #102

+lots whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #114

I don't know if Assange mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #120

Ridiculous conclusion. Squinch Dec 2013 #128