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freshwest

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27. You are in error about what we can do. A full third of the Americans voters think empire is great.
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 04:26 AM
Dec 2013

That was a common theme for generations, and it has not gone away if you check out the right wing websites. Many cities and other things follow the model of the Roman Empire. It's a part of our culture. But the Roman empire fell, and they saw it s the end of the war. It was like every other end or apocalypse, a change and not the end. It is good that they are gone, and we are leaving that model. The entire world is leaving it.

Those who support empire will always see it as a competing system that works and it did and they change the names, but the beliefs and society they want is the same. Fascism is a term that also comes from Italy and is a movement that is from the bottom up. It involves a conservative religion and social structure, including a slave class. We have a number of Americans who do not object to what has amounted to slavery here and abroad even after it was officially ended.

It's the greatest tool of the free market philosophy, but the human cost to those who are seen as nothing but worthless, except for their labor, is high. It is unAmerican, because it is against the Constitution, but only as amended, and was intended to be done away with philosophically.

The more people take the view they can'r change things, refuse to become knowledgeable about how these things work, and what tools are available via the governent of WeThePeople, stay away or expect a miracle or sudden enlightenment that will wash it all away, the more strong this fascism becomes.

Making people depressed makes them apathetic and they don't get involved. That is what they don't want us to do, they don't want us involved in a government that would set controls on them.

If we behave as if it's hopeless, or call the people who vote for the TP or GOP stupid, we get a kick out of it, but they keep moving ahead. They know the powerful of government and intend to use what there is to serve their aims.

They have been, despite the lies, bigotry and all the rest, believers in change to things we do not want. Libertarians want all government regulation gone, but still want their privatization dollars that come from all of us. Because they see themselves as superior and independent. They are just positioning themselves on the food chain. There will always be a food chain.

It is not hopeless, empires have been dismantled by their own people but not by defeatism. That is exactly how they want us to feel, and the comfortable thing for those who say they care about peace and social justice is to stand aside and let it keep going on in despair.

Politics is the competition for scarce resources. There is no way to think that will not be an unpleasant activity. It is hard and dangerous, and one meets many challenges from fellow citizens. Do not get depressed.

If you do, they win. The TP and other regressives are not at all depressed, they are lively and emboldened by our standing aside for them. The only way to do this is the hard way: get into every single election, get out and make connections, make deals if need be, keep going forward until a majority is made that will allow us to work on our best ideals.

Gotta go..

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And Department of Homeland Security is the umbrella tina tron Dec 2013 #1
In the WOD, this LEO bundling is called a MJTF: Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #9
"Funny, these kinds of things have been discussed for years by the likes of Alex Jones." dixiegrrrrl Dec 2013 #20
The problem with Alex Jones Bragi Dec 2013 #32
That's why you must always use your own discernment. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #33
Feels more and more libodem Dec 2013 #2
Yes, it does. I remember that era, things done for the people, but really not, but RKP5637 Dec 2013 #8
I don't like the libodem Dec 2013 #11
I agree with that so much! What we need is more trust, not institutionalized mistrust! Given RKP5637 Dec 2013 #38
Sorry, this is a duplicate Bragi Dec 2013 #3
It bears repeating. -EM Treant Dec 2013 #4
Different source and more opinion on yours. freshwest Dec 2013 #6
True that. Bragi Dec 2013 #10
Holder pushed back on a lot of things affecting minorities. Google a subject and add DOJ. n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #18
we can't have too many of these pscot Dec 2013 #17
COPS here is civilians working with police to solve and resolve issues before crimes happen. freshwest Dec 2013 #5
Wow! G_j Dec 2013 #7
This brings the issue to the local level. On election day look out who you are voting for for city jwirr Dec 2013 #12
Geee ...like we need warning. Did they just wake up? L0oniX Dec 2013 #13
A day late and a dollar short, as usual. Rex Dec 2013 #14
Well, now's a fine time to say something.... ReRe Dec 2013 #15
Congress appropriates the funding for all it. The 'buck' stops there... freshwest Dec 2013 #19
I mean who lauds over Homeland Security... ReRe Dec 2013 #24
You mean 'lords' right? The boss? The ones who created it. DHS is an agency, like the DOJ, EPA, etc. freshwest Dec 2013 #25
Thanks for setting me straight.... ReRe Dec 2013 #26
You are in error about what we can do. A full third of the Americans voters think empire is great. freshwest Dec 2013 #27
I know all of this, freshwest... ReRe Dec 2013 #28
A little OT, but here's one this morning on news, 6 yr. old boy suspended for kissing a girl RKP5637 Dec 2013 #39
wow ... who is giving all this military gear to the cops? isnt it doj littlewolf Dec 2013 #16
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #21
K&R Corporate surveillance state. Corporate police state. woo me with science Dec 2013 #22
^ Wilms Dec 2013 #23
DOJ Gave Police The Power Corey Dec 2013 #29
While I agree, I can't see how change happens Bragi Dec 2013 #31
Recommend jsr Dec 2013 #30
The police must be ready to deal with the threat of peaceful demonstrations. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #34
Eliminate Byrne Grants and the COPS program. Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #35
K&R cprise Dec 2013 #36
Kick! Heidi Dec 2013 #37
Hope Mr. Bickel gets promoted to a senior position at DOJ. Octafish Dec 2013 #40
Call me paranoid damnedifIknow Dec 2013 #41
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