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151. Respectfully, I must disagree.

Tue Dec 10, 2013, 11:25 AM

Dec 2013

There's a big difference between an economic, employer-employee setting vs private affairs.

Every place that has legalized prostitution/brothels makes their usage mandatory. How is this different?

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Fourth Porn Actor this Year - Tests HIV+ [View all] Agschmid Dec 2013 OP

I believe in mandating condoms in porn. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #1

I'm not sure I can come down on either side of the issue... Agschmid Dec 2013 #2

Good point. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #3

How would you do that? closeupready Dec 2013 #52

make a federal law stating the the industry has to use condoms. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #78

And the Mexican and Canadian porn industries explode... n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #79

As pointed out to me the feds probably could not make the law stick. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #82

Or worse: German. arcane1 Dec 2013 #101

no russian is where its at, and czech loli phabay Dec 2013 #135

That would be an illegal law, like flag-burning laws. closeupready Dec 2013 #80

Your probably right. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #81

This isn't a speech issue, it's a health and safety issue. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #117

"Why should porn actors not be" [required to use condoms]? closeupready Dec 2013 #119

Meaningless hypothetical. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #121

Okay, well, let's agree to disagree. I see that closeupready Dec 2013 #123

it is a workplace so Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #126

is it illegal to require chicken processors to wear rubber gloves or cooks to wear hair nets? KittyWampus Dec 2013 #144

Chicken processors are not concerned with "artistic integrity" jberryhill Dec 2013 #147

But they are paid employees working for a corporation. Amazing how some DU'ers KittyWampus Dec 2013 #154

Whooosh.... jberryhill Dec 2013 #155

disease prevention is not a free speech issue. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #149

I'd be willing to wager it's all that unprotected fuckin NightWatcher Dec 2013 #4

Well, no thinking person has ever said that, but I've seen it said here on DU. Kind of a lot. Squinch Dec 2013 #5

You don't think that there are porn actors who, during their off-time, joeybee12 Dec 2013 #24

That may be, but it would reduce the chance of passing it on the set, so it does matter lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #74

That's a pretty broad generalization about young people? Agschmid Dec 2013 #87

That was the point being made. Squinch Dec 2013 #110

Porn is global LittleBlue Dec 2013 #6

Works for me alcibiades_mystery Dec 2013 #8

But are you going to do all that travel to your engagements? jberryhill Dec 2013 #68

Well, in that case... TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #109

That can not be helped. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #9

Their health won't be impacted LittleBlue Dec 2013 #12

So what? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #14

So a law requiring condoms in one state is pointless LittleBlue Dec 2013 #16

It would easily survive a court challenge MattBaggins Dec 2013 #22

Well, their taxes will move too LittleBlue Dec 2013 #27

Let them move then MattBaggins Dec 2013 #29

What I'm asking is, what have you accomplished with this regulation? LittleBlue Dec 2013 #31

should be a federal mandate MattBaggins Dec 2013 #32

Good luck with that LittleBlue Dec 2013 #46

Must watch TV on CSPAN. Best ratings ever. (nt) Inkfreak Dec 2013 #95

"Let them move who cares." DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #33

Ok there internet tough guy MattBaggins Dec 2013 #34

No, it's a response to someone who has not thought the issue through... DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #38

I have access to those test and others MattBaggins Dec 2013 #48

You come across as not knowing how the "tests" are conducted... DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #53

You think you are an expert MattBaggins Dec 2013 #59

Your rants are very revealing... and your agenda is transparent DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #104

Treat accordingly just as they would in a hospital for a needle stick MattBaggins Dec 2013 #112

"As long as you can whack off you don't give a fuck about worker protection?" DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #114

This might be out there... Agschmid Dec 2013 #118

Just like gun laws! seattledo Dec 2013 #152

Yeah, it's not like porn workers are important or anything BainsBane Dec 2013 #58

Why would you compare porn workers to animals? LittleBlue Dec 2013 #63

What I am reading seems to say the hell with their health, they generate BILLIONS!!! IN REVENUE NT Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #83

I have noticed that you care a great deal about animal rights BainsBane Dec 2013 #85

Control what you can, not what you can't. This is a public health issue in a specific industry, and lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #75

so lets get rid of all labor laws since factories move to places like China JI7 Dec 2013 #76

How Republican of you… lets not regulate business because they'll move. You didn't think through KittyWampus Dec 2013 #145

So MANY ignorant statements made about the "porn" industry... DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #7

We're on an internet message board. Everyone knows everything about everything. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #11

lol, yup, pretty much. closeupready Dec 2013 #56

#2 Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #39

on a porn studio set? name one instance... DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #91

cameron bay Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #96

didn't contract on set DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #97

don't fall for the porn industry Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #99

so you ignored that your previous post was false, DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #100

moving to avoid cobdom law Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #103

you changed the topic a third time... do you own stock in condom companies? DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #106

the porn producers moved to avoid Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #108

No I am not a porn producer, and I am also not ignorant about stupid laws DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #111

it needs to be nationwide to work Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #113

current testing is blood work DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #130

I'm not sure you can... Agschmid Dec 2013 #105

I agree, it is really hard to "prove" where a transmission has occurred DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #107

Read this article... Somewhat GRAPHIC (words not images) Agschmid Dec 2013 #129

+1 Agschmid Dec 2013 #89

FACT: Individual humans don't always abide by rules/regulations but government has an interest KittyWampus Dec 2013 #146

Thanks for the insights Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #150

FACT: They could have been infected for some time before their tests were positive Ino Dec 2013 #165

Haha oh wow, what a deceptive op Kurska Dec 2013 #167

I disagree with any laws requiring condoms. William769 Dec 2013 #10

The headlines about the "porn stars" with HIV are sensational DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #15

Wrong answer MattBaggins Dec 2013 #19

Wrong answer. William769 Dec 2013 #20

You are arguing my point MattBaggins Dec 2013 #23

I don't see how. William769 Dec 2013 #26

Unmarried couples are not at work in a regulated industry MattBaggins Dec 2013 #28

Actors in the porn industry get TESTED before they go to work DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #35

An HIV test takes 30 minutes but i still have to wear gloves at work MattBaggins Dec 2013 #40

because you can still Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #41

Because you could still be infected. Yo_Mama Dec 2013 #84

Yes but it takes a whole for it to show up on tests? Agschmid Dec 2013 #90

A very simple concept is personal responsibility. William769 Dec 2013 #36

Same as with other industries MattBaggins Dec 2013 #42

I side with personal freedom. To bad you don't. William769 Dec 2013 #45

If someone wants to make movies with animals and harm them MattBaggins Dec 2013 #51

In my best southern charm William769 Dec 2013 #54

So now you are just making shit up DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #55

this is a worker safety issue Tumbulu Dec 2013 #131

Even I think your attack is flawed... Agschmid Dec 2013 #133

Who the hell wants to wear gloves Tumbulu Dec 2013 #160

Sounds like you are a dentist or in the medical field... DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #47

If they were operating with their penis then yes. MattBaggins Dec 2013 #57

Tyvek Porn - sounds kinky! DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #60

Honest Question DragonBorn Dec 2013 #153

The vast majority of the workers oppose Measure B. Chan790 Dec 2013 #162

Yes. This is a free country. Sex is not a topic closeupready Dec 2013 #69

... William769 Dec 2013 #70

A studio isn't "a couple", it's a business. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #44

They also don't suggest, ask, persuade or convince people in porn to wear a condom. William769 Dec 2013 #49

re: 'Employers have an obligation to protect the health and safety of their employees. " DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #50

Yeah, if OSHA has that right, why haven't they made porn stars wear condoms? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #73

"Nanny State?" Where have I heard that terminology before? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #128

predictable response Tumbulu Dec 2013 #132

I'm pretty sure OSHA feels the same way I do. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #134

OSHA is in charge of worker safety Tumbulu Dec 2013 #161

Great. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #166

You have sex as a business venture? Tumbulu Dec 2013 #168

It really bothers you that some people like to have sex w/o a condom, doesn't it? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #169

You cannot understand work vs private life? nt Tumbulu Dec 2013 #170

I don't think you could create a law which would successfully enforce safe sex for porn workers. Agschmid Dec 2013 #171

Like OSHA? LanternWaste Dec 2013 #30

Does OSHA have a regulation now on the subject. William769 Dec 2013 #43

The point is that workers deserve basic protection from workplace injury BainsBane Dec 2013 #62

Let's go all the way & save a child, Mandatory birth control in the porn industry. William769 Dec 2013 #66

child birth is neither a disease nor an injury BainsBane Dec 2013 #71

Condoms are not 100% William769 Dec 2013 #72

Question DragonBorn Dec 2013 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Dec 2013 #158

How about basic safety for workers? BainsBane Dec 2013 #61

Put it this way let's stop unwanted pregnancies. William769 Dec 2013 #65

+1 Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #77

Respectfully, I must disagree. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #151

They say Michigan mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #13

not sure if you are joking... there has to be a joke in there :) DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #18

There was a report on our local news mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #25

What's OSHA got to say about this? B Calm Dec 2013 #17

Think it through... DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #21

That was my first thought, B Calm, indie9197 Dec 2013 #115

Until recently there was a nonprofit in Hollywood which gave std testing to adult entertainers. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #37

How many folks that do not work in porn have tested positive this year? bigwillq Dec 2013 #64

Start it please... Agschmid Dec 2013 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author bigwillq Dec 2013 #98

Condoms would kill the "rape porn" industry. zappaman Dec 2013 #67

What exactly makes someone a "porn actor"? Bennyboy Dec 2013 #86

Predictable thread is predictable LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #88

It is. Agschmid Dec 2013 #93

LOL! Yup! Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #116

But hey it's getting people to think about HIV/AIDS... Agschmid Dec 2013 #120

True too. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #122

Apparently on DU it you need to sensationalize things before people notice. Agschmid Dec 2013 #124

For the most part, you are correct. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #125

aha! LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #163

Thanks! Agschmid Dec 2013 #164

Firemen need to wear turnout gear, cops need yo wear body armor, miners need to have lanterns, AuntFester Dec 2013 #94

agreed La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #102

and the femals "actors" Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #127

That's really horrible. Risk your life or give up your job. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #138

Welcome to DU AuntFester. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #136

Hey, thanks! AuntFester Dec 2013 #159

I wonder if the op purposely left this part out? Soundman Dec 2013 #137

No the OP did not. Agschmid Dec 2013 #139

We agree on some points, Soundman Dec 2013 #141

Good glad we agree mostly. Agschmid Dec 2013 #142

I read that. That shoud probably be a thread of its own. n/t Soundman Dec 2013 #143

Consider it done. Agschmid Dec 2013 #148

Here. Agschmid Dec 2013 #140

there will always be amateur/homemade porn cbdo2007 Dec 2013 #156