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RZM

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12. I pretty much agree

Mon Mar 12, 2012, 03:51 PM

Mar 2012

2004 was somewhat similar. Romney and Kerry had some similar weaknesses. Both were essentially the establishment choice and selected largely on the fact that they were perceived as having the best chance to win. Both are also wealthy, upper-crust types who aren't particularly adept at connecting with regular folks. A lot of people weren't so much voting for Kerry as against Bush. I also think the results this year will be somewhat similar. Romney will probably give Obama a run for his money, but I bet he'll come up short. I even think the margin will be pretty close to 2004. It's pretty tough to win on 'I'm not the other guy.' You usually have to make a strong positive case to get over the top.

But I do also think that Romney voters in the general won't all be voting against Obama alone, they will also be voting against their perception of liberals at large - i.e. the people that they think look down on them and call them names. That's part of the reason the right has tried to frame Obama as an 'elitist.' They are well aware of what I talked about in the OP.

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Why do people vote against their economic interests? Take a look at some threads here. [View all] RZM Mar 2012 OP

Some good points CJCRANE Mar 2012 #1

That's why I said 'essentially saying' RZM Mar 2012 #2

Good points, except, Quantess Mar 2012 #3

Real positions on real issues should be discussed RZM Mar 2012 #9

the great divide KT2000 Mar 2012 #4

Most repukes libtodeath Mar 2012 #5

I agree. As a child of the South, I think it is dangerous for us liberals to continue Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #6

I pretty much agree RZM Mar 2012 #12

LOL! Comparing the lowlife Romney to a man politicasista Mar 2012 #42

They mock us. Why do we have to play nice but they don't? Zalatix Mar 2012 #13

Because we are better than them? cbayer Mar 2012 #16

You don't have to do anything RZM Mar 2012 #17

I live in the South and I consider myself part of the "they" the OP is talking about. antigone382 Mar 2012 #19

You said a mouthful! dixiegrrrrl Mar 2012 #23

Rita Mae Brown on Yankees KamaAina Mar 2012 #26

I see your point, but it's ironic that the South has its own equivalent prejudices against the North Zalatix Mar 2012 #29

On the racism thing, there is this RZM Mar 2012 #31

Can't deny that's a pretty damning statistic. Zalatix Mar 2012 #32

The 1920s resurgence of the Klan Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #38

It's not necessarily about playing nice. It's all about being realistic about where we are. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #33

If we've been relegated to the nation's kicktoy then we've already lost. Zalatix Mar 2012 #35

You can get down and dirty without mocking folks. I think the president has been doing an Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #39

True, so let me explain it this way. Zalatix Mar 2012 #40

The thing is... Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #45

Someone posted this brilliant observation from Lakoff... Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #47

I vote against my economic interests when I vote democratic taught_me_patience Mar 2012 #7

In the past, maybe. But I can't understand a thinking person voting Republican today. Cal33 Mar 2012 #11

Some are being paid to do it. If they need the money, I don't blame them. But these Cal33 Mar 2012 #8

In my experience loyalsister Mar 2012 #10

There has been a major push Aerows Mar 2012 #14

I don't disagree that Republican opinion-makers are working overtime to get any advantage RZM Mar 2012 #15

Well Aerows Mar 2012 #20

30 years of demonizing the words "liberal", "progressive", and "Democrat". Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #18

Right wing and Republican Aerows Mar 2012 #21

No... they are voting FOR Republicans ingac70 Mar 2012 #22

I accounted for that in the post RZM Mar 2012 #24

Perhaps. LiberalAndProud Mar 2012 #25

In my personal experience, many people who say these types of things are far from 'elite' RZM Mar 2012 #27

Isn't it LiberalAndProud Mar 2012 #34

Yeah I guess you're right RZM Mar 2012 #36

Well truth be told for some the civil war never quite ended nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #28

Part of it is who is presented as liberals to the public SpartanDem Mar 2012 #30

It actually involves the mental definition of "elite" IMO........ socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #41

When you search for "sheeple" in the DU search box (so you are only searching within DU) Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #37

Good points. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #43

Repukes? Rethugs? I hate that stuff. thesquanderer Mar 2012 #44

Because most people are so brainwashed by the constant barrage of propaganda hobbit709 Mar 2012 #46