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antigone382

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19. I live in the South and I consider myself part of the "they" the OP is talking about.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 04:27 PM
Mar 2012

You don't insult your enemies when you paint the South with that brush, you insult me, and thousands of others like me who are working to create change here. The South is my home, my culture, and full of people who I love and causes that I care about. There is all kinds of suffering and lack of access to education, healthcare, and decent working conditions here, and while I understand the political causes for that, it doesn't help anyone for me to alienate people who are my friends and neighbors, and who have needs that should be met regardless of our differences. There are a lot of people suffering in the South, and dehumanizing them because of their dominant but NON-homogenous political beliefs helps no one. To me it is like rejoicing in hunger, poverty, and disease in Uganda and other areas, because attitudes towards non-heterosexuality are so vile there--ignoring that those attitudes have been fostered by an exploitative international elite.

I get to the point of detesting the lectures on race relations by "enlightened" Northerners who have no idea how to deal with a person of another ethnicity on an individual basis, who don't know what an interracial relationship looks like, who don't really know anything about the music, food, or culture of other racial and cultural groups--things that a lot of my Southern friends don't even have to think twice about. There are major structural and ideological problems in the South...but in my experience, the parts of the North that are the most sanctimonious only understand diversity as a concept, not as a day-to-day lived reality, as I have experienced it in the South.

Add to that an ugly reality of North/South relations that Northerners refuse to acknowledge: racial tensions were *deliberately stoked* after reconstruction by *mostly Northern* business leaders in order to stifle union organizing in the South. At a critical time in the history of U.S. race relations, the seeds of continued hatred were planted in a calculated efforts by Northern business interests. Ultimately, these efforts tended to fail--for a little while, workers in the South were able to recognize their common economic interests despite the efforts of the economic elite, but then the "red scare" conveniently popped up to break the unions' backs for good. But the point is this: the North benefited economically (in ways that continue to this day) from racism in the South, and developed a deliberate strategy to capitalize on that. Until *that* shame is acknowledged, I just can't stand the smugness any longer.

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Some good points CJCRANE Mar 2012 #1
That's why I said 'essentially saying' RZM Mar 2012 #2
Good points, except, Quantess Mar 2012 #3
Real positions on real issues should be discussed RZM Mar 2012 #9
the great divide KT2000 Mar 2012 #4
Most repukes libtodeath Mar 2012 #5
I agree. As a child of the South, I think it is dangerous for us liberals to continue Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #6
I pretty much agree RZM Mar 2012 #12
LOL! Comparing the lowlife Romney to a man politicasista Mar 2012 #42
They mock us. Why do we have to play nice but they don't? Zalatix Mar 2012 #13
Because we are better than them? cbayer Mar 2012 #16
You don't have to do anything RZM Mar 2012 #17
I live in the South and I consider myself part of the "they" the OP is talking about. antigone382 Mar 2012 #19
You said a mouthful! dixiegrrrrl Mar 2012 #23
Rita Mae Brown on Yankees KamaAina Mar 2012 #26
I see your point, but it's ironic that the South has its own equivalent prejudices against the North Zalatix Mar 2012 #29
On the racism thing, there is this RZM Mar 2012 #31
Can't deny that's a pretty damning statistic. Zalatix Mar 2012 #32
The 1920s resurgence of the Klan Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #38
It's not necessarily about playing nice. It's all about being realistic about where we are. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #33
If we've been relegated to the nation's kicktoy then we've already lost. Zalatix Mar 2012 #35
You can get down and dirty without mocking folks. I think the president has been doing an Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #39
True, so let me explain it this way. Zalatix Mar 2012 #40
The thing is... Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #45
Someone posted this brilliant observation from Lakoff... Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #47
I vote against my economic interests when I vote democratic taught_me_patience Mar 2012 #7
In the past, maybe. But I can't understand a thinking person voting Republican today. Cal33 Mar 2012 #11
Some are being paid to do it. If they need the money, I don't blame them. But these Cal33 Mar 2012 #8
In my experience loyalsister Mar 2012 #10
There has been a major push Aerows Mar 2012 #14
I don't disagree that Republican opinion-makers are working overtime to get any advantage RZM Mar 2012 #15
Well Aerows Mar 2012 #20
30 years of demonizing the words "liberal", "progressive", and "Democrat". Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #18
Right wing and Republican Aerows Mar 2012 #21
No... they are voting FOR Republicans ingac70 Mar 2012 #22
I accounted for that in the post RZM Mar 2012 #24
Perhaps. LiberalAndProud Mar 2012 #25
In my personal experience, many people who say these types of things are far from 'elite' RZM Mar 2012 #27
Isn't it LiberalAndProud Mar 2012 #34
Yeah I guess you're right RZM Mar 2012 #36
Well truth be told for some the civil war never quite ended nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #28
Part of it is who is presented as liberals to the public SpartanDem Mar 2012 #30
It actually involves the mental definition of "elite" IMO........ socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #41
When you search for "sheeple" in the DU search box (so you are only searching within DU) Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #37
Good points. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #43
Repukes? Rethugs? I hate that stuff. thesquanderer Mar 2012 #44
Because most people are so brainwashed by the constant barrage of propaganda hobbit709 Mar 2012 #46
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