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Xithras

(16,191 posts)
82. No, your understanding of the law is incorrect.
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 01:03 PM
Dec 2013
Unless the person posting the photo has a release, signed by the person in the photo, they are not authorized to post the photo, and the web site may be compelled to take it down unless it can prove such a release exists.

That is 100% incorrect. Model releases exist to protect the photographer, and not the subject of the photos. They also have no LEGAL status whatsoever, and only exist to serve as defensive evidence in a civil suit. They also provide the subjects of the image with their only opportunity to limit the distribution of that image.

The law is pretty clear on this. When I take a photo, it belongs to me. Under federal law, the copyright for that image belongs to the photographer until and unless it is sold or assigned to someone else. The photographer owns ALL the rights to the image, and the subject owns NONE of them.

The only "legal" limitation comes into play when someone uses your likeness for trade or commerce. Even then, they can ONLY sue you if you are materially profiting from their image without compensation (this is the real reason that most photographers use model releases btw...they universally state that you're waiving your right to future compensation). We're talking about civil suits to acquire compensation, and not criminal sanctions. If the image is simply given away, or if it is used editorially, or if it is otherwise distributed without commercial intent, then the subject has no rights at all, because they have not been deprived of their fair compensation for the use of their likeness. You CAN sue them, but if they didn't make money off of it, you're going to have to prove to a court that your likeness had a cash value that you were deprived of. More importantly in the age of the Internet, the rights of the subject to sue are also limited to the person doing the initial distribution. If the copyright holder gives a likeness of you to a commercial website that distributes it, the website has committed no crime because they were simply republishing an image with permission of the copyright holder. Your right to legal remedy would be limited to suing the copyright holder directly.

The core problem with these kinds of sites comes down to three legal realities. 1) Copyright law says that photos belong to the photographer. 2) The Supreme Court says that images are speech. 3) Federal laws and the Constitution say that speech cannot be impaired unless it is slanderous or libelous (and consensually taken nude photos generally wouldn't qualify).

These three things make it very tough to crack down on "Revenge Porn" sites. If the photo was actually taken by the "ex", then the "ex" actually does have federally protected legal rights. That's what makes Harris' angle with this arrest so ingenious. She isn't actually attacking the photos, but the attachment of the personally identifying information TO those photos. That information runs afoul of privacy laws.

If we could block the posting of personal information to these photo sites, a lot of the problem would go away. Without exaggeration, there are BILLIONS of nude photos on the Internet. What makes "Revenge Porn" sites so bad is NOT the fact that the photo is available, but that they ALSO contain the personally identifying information for the person in them. When someone Google's that person, or when an employer does a background check, or a neighbor vets a sitter, attaching their name causes those images to show up, which immediately harms the person in the photo. Even if we CAN'T ban the posting of the photos, banning the attachment of identifying information would go a long way toward rectifying the problem. Without that information, the photo simply becomes another anonymous nude shot on the web, that could have come from anywhere in the world, and the odds of anyone connecting it to any individual person become infinitesimally small.

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Great! zappaman Dec 2013 #1
+1 SunSeeker Dec 2013 #85
Let's hope she can get it to stick. Warpy Dec 2013 #2
+1 nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #23
And they should take pictures of his wee wee Bucky Dec 2013 #33
Now *that's* poetic justice! nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #36
Shrinkage! Marie Marie Dec 2013 #56
Probably enough ... Blus4u Dec 2013 #79
Nice! Orrex Dec 2013 #3
Hope they were able to shut down the web site as well. Schema Thing Dec 2013 #4
What a piece of shit. Glassunion Dec 2013 #5
They have been doing the same thing with mugshots for years Lee-Lee Dec 2013 #9
Not even close dbackjon Dec 2013 #18
Same basic concept Lee-Lee Dec 2013 #22
Mugshots are... CSStrowbridge Dec 2013 #27
That they are- but that doesn't change that the sites run in the same fashion Lee-Lee Dec 2013 #29
I think the point being made Kelvin Mace Dec 2013 #35
Actually, the brilliance of this angle is that the legal status of the photos is irrelevant. Xithras Dec 2013 #50
California, home of Hollywood, Kelvin Mace Dec 2013 #81
No, your understanding of the law is incorrect. Xithras Dec 2013 #82
Thank you for the clarification Kelvin Mace Dec 2013 #88
There's no gurantee that would work. Xithras Dec 2013 #89
Except if the photos in question were taken with the consent of the parties involved cstanleytech Dec 2013 #67
Yes but you need signed consent forms to publish images for profit.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #76
Still a murky area Kelvin Mace Dec 2013 #80
I agree that people accused (not even convicted) of minor crimes shouldn't have their lives ruined. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #25
Salt Lake actually stopped publishing mugshots... Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #74
'Stupid' works in a pinch! randome Dec 2013 #12
About time someone did something about this problem. Now, a national law too! Coyotl Dec 2013 #6
And you're the person who was suggesting xulamaude Dec 2013 #52
You mis-characterize. Coyotl Dec 2013 #64
Okay - my bad then. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #66
But there is a way to get the phone to the owner - I took an iphone to an AT&T store and they Hestia Dec 2013 #69
wonderful. Whisp Dec 2013 #7
Hmm. I wonder if the websites that so the mugshots are next Lee-Lee Dec 2013 #8
The "mugshot" websites should have some degree of regulation, at the least. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #28
They work the same way RetroLounge Dec 2013 #40
++++++++ mopinko Dec 2013 #70
thats a lil different... iamthebandfanman Dec 2013 #72
Thank you! abelenkpe Dec 2013 #10
Good. Grief. nt Ninga Dec 2013 #11
That's my AG! Extortion is NOT free speech! robertpaulsen Dec 2013 #13
Good for her! And I hope with 31 felonies, he spends the rest of his life in prison.n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #20
Really, life in prison? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #26
That is some great news! Matariki Dec 2013 #14
Good. I like the angle she used to pull this off too. Innovative use of the law. Xithras Dec 2013 #15
+1 kristopher Dec 2013 #45
Exactly. This is not speech. This is cyber rape; it is all about hurting people. nt SunSeeker Dec 2013 #86
can't say I have much sympathy for the guy.... mike_c Dec 2013 #16
+1 nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #30
GOOD. liberalmuse Dec 2013 #17
This is good, put him in the cell with Bernie Madoff for just as long. My only hope is this didn't.. marble falls Dec 2013 #19
Awesome! Now please contact every victem and tell them to start filing lawsuit against him Drew Richards Dec 2013 #21
Context, context, context. Kamala Harris is the AG of California, not the USA. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #24
so far Bucky Dec 2013 #32
Of course, Bucky. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #63
Monty Python should be shakin' in their boots........... thelordofhell Dec 2013 #31
LOL, exactly what came to mind when I read the article mdbl Dec 2013 #42
Lol! Kaleva Dec 2013 #71
Another small business owner put out of business. THANKS OBAMA. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #34
Arrest mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #37
Is this the scumbag who created the site called Aldo Leopold Dec 2013 #38
I think it's a different asshole LTR Dec 2013 #39
I think this is the site I meant libodem Dec 2013 #55
Thank you, Kamala Harris. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #41
YAY, yay and yay …my State Attorney General rocks…. Tikki Dec 2013 #43
Brava!!! kristopher Dec 2013 #44
Excellent Hekate Dec 2013 #46
very cool dlwickham Dec 2013 #47
They arrested him on a ... CONSPIRACY THEORY ??1!!!1??1?//?/1/!!//??? Festivito Dec 2013 #48
Conspiracy is a separate crime. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2013 #51
True. Nonetheless, they are citing a conspiracy theory -- those conspiracy theorists are. Festivito Dec 2013 #65
Good. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #49
Kamala Harris . . . Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #53
She probably will. CA AG is the springboard to Governor. nt SunSeeker Dec 2013 #87
K&R libodem Dec 2013 #54
That may be Hunter Moore, another self-cycled gas huffer. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #58
Yes libodem Dec 2013 #60
He should have lots of time to think about it. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #62
There's actually a law to address this? Great. I was afraid there wasn't like a lot Cleita Dec 2013 #57
There is in California. Also, extortion is illegal everywhere. pnwmom Dec 2013 #59
Now, why can't I find a pic of this arrestee? Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #61
Good job by Harris. Kurovski Dec 2013 #68
unfortunately there are others.. iamthebandfanman Dec 2013 #73
Good Recursion Dec 2013 #75
"A big old hat tip to K. Harris!" KansDem Dec 2013 #77
I hear... nikto Dec 2013 #78
I am pleasantly surprised. redqueen Dec 2013 #83
Pic of POS: jsr Dec 2013 #84
Good. I hope he gets shanked in the chow line. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #90
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