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232. This is probably the best OP on this case I've seen yet.

Wed Dec 11, 2013, 08:01 PM

Dec 2013

As you've seen by now, for most participants in these Assange threads, it's long since passed the "monkeys flinging poo" stage, but the case has been out of the news for awhile. So hopefully, you'll at least arm some newcomers to the issue against the flood of "Lol, why does Sweden refuse to charge him" posts. I read the judgment of the extradition court around the time he entered the embassy, and it really clears up a lot of the myths swirling around Assange's legal status, but people would rather rant about the NWO/MIC/Illuminati/whatever than read dry boring court documents.

And for those of you upthread lecturing us about presumption of innocence, keep in mind that:

1. We're not judges, jury, lawyers or reporters connected to this case, so we are free to draw whatever conclusions we want.
2. Assange himself is the only impediment to clearing his name. His refusal to face trial certainly colors my perception of his guilt vs. innocence
3. As has been pointed out in this thread and others, Assange didn't really dispute the allegations against him in the extradition trial, just that they didn't pass muster as rape charges in the UK and thus the extradition order wasn't valid. The allegations are the bolded part of OP's post. #3 is the only one that doesn't look like unambiguous rape to me, and even it looks more than worthy of some lesser sexual misconduct charge.
4. Assange forfeited somewhere north of $300,000 of other people's money when he jumped bail. I just don't have a hard time believing that someone displaying this level of callous narcissism and entitlement would be capable of rape.

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Defending Assange against sexual assault allegations [View all] BainsBane Dec 2013 OP

Assange is a cowardly, lying, raping weasel. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #1

Oh, I suspect not BainsBane Dec 2013 #2

Well, one can hope, right? Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #3

One of the results of evading an arrest warrant BainsBane Dec 2013 #6

Jeez. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #270

I didn't say you had to agree with the court's ruling BainsBane Dec 2013 #274

This has been argued over and over again Hissyspit Dec 2013 #277

What US extradition issue? BainsBane Dec 2013 #279

Sweden has not guaranteed that they will not render him to the U.S. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #305

In other words BainsBane Dec 2013 #320

Bullshit. 99Forever Dec 2013 #4

Sweden has issued an arrest warrant. BainsBane Dec 2013 #5

Why Assange can't be interviewed in the UK BainsBane Dec 2013 #7

Swedish prosecution: Assange to be surrendered to Sweden BainsBane Dec 2013 #8

Events concerning Julian Assange in chronological order BainsBane Dec 2013 #9

I don't get the arguments that Assange shouldn't face the charges. Dash87 Dec 2013 #10

Of course they don't matter. They're part of the conspiracy. randome Dec 2013 #12

You're damn right! treestar Dec 2013 #208

Of course not. They are women BainsBane Dec 2013 #15

Yup. Part of it too is the blatant "can do no wrong" hero worship. Dash87 Dec 2013 #22

He's their favorite quarterback BainsBane Dec 2013 #23

The bat signal has been up for a few hours Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #11

Is that your way of saying you don't care BainsBane Dec 2013 #13

Of course I care Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #14

Ah, was that you? BainsBane Dec 2013 #18

You're being silenced and censored? pintobean Dec 2013 #227

Perhaps you can try to take care of that BainsBane Dec 2013 #248

Huh? pintobean Dec 2013 #250

The game is up BainsBane Dec 2013 #268

Nice dodge. pintobean Dec 2013 #297

No, it wasn't him. pintobean Dec 2013 #379

Assange isn't that important... snooper2 Dec 2013 #34

But these are our problems BainsBane Dec 2013 #40

most Americans don't give a rats ass about Assangy snooper2 Dec 2013 #45

The issue isn't Assange per se BainsBane Dec 2013 #50

I see that too much on DU Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #52

^^^This^^^ riqster Dec 2013 #77

^^^ A thousand times this (nt) Recursion Dec 2013 #101

isn't that human behaviour though hfojvt Dec 2013 #147

There was a period of time when xulamaude Dec 2013 #160

Actually, there are many ways in which this case is not like Steubenville at all. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #272

Lol pintobean Dec 2013 #46

He said "bats" huh huh huh xulamaude Dec 2013 #55

If anyone has the original document of the 2nd International Arrest Warrant for Assange BainsBane Dec 2013 #16

Here.. and remember he isn't arguing innocence... just that the acts he msanthrope Dec 2013 #33

Thanks Msanthrope BainsBane Dec 2013 #36

The reason Assange has lost so much support in the UK is because people there read msanthrope Dec 2013 #38

Because, technically, it wasn't 'rape-rape'. xulamaude Dec 2013 #49

If you google the Polanski rape apologia threads, you find the msanthrope Dec 2013 #54

Yep - because 'technically' a 13 year old girl xulamaude Dec 2013 #58

More attempts at misdirection. former9thward Dec 2013 #109

Nonsense. Actual innocence is a reason for non extradition. msanthrope Dec 2013 #161

There was no evidence given. former9thward Dec 2013 #212

WHAT???? Did you not read the parts about the evidence given by witnesses? Assange called msanthrope Dec 2013 #221

Who are you trying to fool? former9thward Dec 2013 #226

Nonsense. Assange's witnesses...and his sworn deposition testified as to the msanthrope Dec 2013 #306

Which actually gets in the way of his defenders treestar Dec 2013 #210

In this thread, BB has substantively addressed and demoloshed every argument I've seen Recursion Dec 2013 #17

They will do what they always do BainsBane Dec 2013 #20

Yeah, nobody else does that. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #271

That's a mighty broad brush that you're whipping around there... countryjake Dec 2013 #275

I don't know you BainsBane Dec 2013 #276

After forty some years of standing up & fighting against political persecution... countryjake Dec 2013 #291

We're talking about Sweden, not the USA. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #300

So dismissing the threat that WikiLeaks represents to the USA... countryjake Dec 2013 #331

Assange isn't Wikleaks. Sweden doesn't have an arrest warrant out for Wikileaks BainsBane Dec 2013 #355

The screaming hypocrisy can be elucidated by recognizing that this same group would be assange's GoneFishin Dec 2013 #377

You won't brook continued disinformation. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #19

It's linked BainsBane Dec 2013 #21

You don't appear to care about the truth DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #114

What does this have to do with Assange and protecting sexual assailants BainsBane Dec 2013 #171

Obviously, it goes to character. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #201

It's irrelevant. The OP provided evidence for everything s/he said. pnwmom Dec 2013 #349

I won't brook it, either. As for primary source material, msanthrope Dec 2013 #42

Still waiting for a response here? Recursion Dec 2013 #44

Upon being presented the primary legal argument being made here msanthrope Dec 2013 #51

You're acerbic, but you'll get your answer. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #104

Holy crap. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #111

It's not that hard. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #116

Shit, I haven't billed 150 an hour since I was a paralegal. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #159

Sorry about the lowball figure. My mistake. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #163

Lol! "Fan club"! xulamaude Dec 2013 #168

I've finished reading the fact finding document DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #186

To answer you paragraph by paragrpah-- msanthrope Dec 2013 #219

Thank you for your reply DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #225

Thank you for your polite reply back. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #323

^^^ Everyone should read this reply. ^^^ joshcryer Dec 2013 #347

This is a thought-provoking post. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #352

Of course it's driven by political pressure but not the type you think... msanthrope Dec 2013 #365

Question regarding extradition treaties: joshcryer Dec 2013 #356

I think you're incorrect about the interview, and let me try to explain why.... msanthrope Dec 2013 #363

I work for a living. You're a "network engineer", aren't you? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #102

Yet you have no problem posting several ad hominum attacks BainsBane Dec 2013 #172

I noticed that same thing. Accused Msanthrope of being "acerbic" but is ten times more hostile Number23 Dec 2013 #185

I actually hold some respect for Msanthrope. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #191

Incentive for many, many others to use that phrase more often... Number23 Dec 2013 #246

You're going to interpret my words the way your psyche needs you to DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #255

lol You have terribly and VASTLY overestimated your affect on my psyche or your ability to read it Number23 Dec 2013 #261

effect, not affect DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #262

Spelling lessons from "Disgustipated". What a privilege. Number23 Dec 2013 #264

Like their role model, assange. That's all they know. nm Cha Dec 2013 #243

If you have the requisite courage to talk to a stranger on the Internet, please do. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #260

DU Rec! No one is above the law. No victim should be silenced or shamed. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #24

Thank you! BainsBane Dec 2013 #25

I agree. Rape needs to be stopped! If a person of power needs to be tried, let it happen ... In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #29

The more so since rape is a power trip. riqster Dec 2013 #87

I remember for a while people were saying the rape allegation was just about a "broken condom." Nine Dec 2013 #26

This is the first OP of yours I can remember whole heartedly agreeing with. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #27

It was a honey trap arranged by some intelligence service. FarCenter Dec 2013 #28

"The b--tch set me up". really? this is the man i am suppose to respect. fuck him.. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #30

Rally around the star quarterback BainsBane Dec 2013 #31

Notice the verbiage? "Gold digging," etc. Dash87 Dec 2013 #41

You are using a story by a disgusting anti-Semite and Wikileaks employee that msanthrope Dec 2013 #32

Yup. More victim bashing. This makes my point perfectly. Dash87 Dec 2013 #37

Written by a Wikileaks employee, no less. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #39

Good thing I never donated. Dash87 Dec 2013 #48

Oh for Christ's sake. You realize Barry actually did smoke crack, right? Recursion Dec 2013 #43

You cited a virulent anti-Jewish bigot along with shaming a rape victim geek tragedy Dec 2013 #57

Let's not forget that Shamir started the 9/11 rumour that all Jews msanthrope Dec 2013 #60

Note also that the article provides the names of the sexual assault victims. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #61

But if she didn't want her name published xulamaude Dec 2013 #70

Four people disagreed with you. To say that proves "misogyny is rampant here" is a stretch. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #129

misogyny rarely gets hidden here. DU is more typical of the Internet geek tragedy Dec 2013 #131

There are several sites out there that disparage the victims, too. joshcryer Dec 2013 #338

You really should self delete this post maddezmom Dec 2013 #68

Majority of the jury voted to keep it. Misogyny and citing holocaust deniers along geek tragedy Dec 2013 #95

I believe the first alert only mentioned the use of the word bitch maddezmom Dec 2013 #97

Nope, another jury upheld is victim naming post below. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #99

Well I guess it because she has been discussed at length here in the past maddezmom Dec 2013 #108

Sure, because victim-shaming is okay if the alleged sexual assult perp is the star geek tragedy Dec 2013 #110

Didn't say I agree just pointing it out. maddezmom Dec 2013 #115

Was not accusing you, have nothing but mad respect for you. peace nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #120

Actually it referenced victim shaming BainsBane Dec 2013 #257

Well I didn't see it but was going on what you said in another post maddezmom Dec 2013 #263

How about Cha Dec 2013 #245

Here's why that's a very stupid argument jeff47 Dec 2013 #128

"Has nothing to do with the NSA, "empire," authoritarianism, or one's views of government." Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #35

LOL. woo me with science Dec 2013 #47

Except that he doesn't say that he didn't do it. His own sworn deposition simply states stevenleser Dec 2013 #59

See post #220. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #309

Post #220 is exactly what I said. He does not deny the facts of the case he disagrees with the stevenleser Dec 2013 #333

So it's just a coincidence that all of the people who vigorously promote those flimsy charges also Marr Dec 2013 #53

I posted the warrant upthread..what is flimsy about those msanthrope Dec 2013 #56

You have regularly defended the NSA's domestic spying programs here. Marr Dec 2013 #67

it must be difficult for you... looking at the acts alleged on that warrant, msanthrope Dec 2013 #156

No, I'm saying your belief in Assange's guilt is directly related to your position on NSA spying. Marr Dec 2013 #184

I think he's a rapist because I'm a criminal defense attorney, msanthrope Dec 2013 #199

I had no idea that a law degree could bestow expertise in psychology so deep, Marr Dec 2013 #228

Seriously...you think you need a degree in psych to know a rapist? msanthrope Dec 2013 #278

That's a different issue treestar Dec 2013 #284

Could you provide a link to msanthrope defending NSA? joshcryer Dec 2013 #343

That's because the legal argument in which you speak was directed at extradition Major Nikon Dec 2013 #178

You're using a long-discredited opnion piece by Naomi Wolf as a legal argument? msanthrope Dec 2013 #193

Discredited how? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #224

I'll let you work the google so you can figure out why a 3 year old rape apologia msanthrope Dec 2013 #307

If you are going to contradict me, then please do so specifically Major Nikon Dec 2013 #318

I think you fundamentally misapprehend something here, so let me try again. msanthrope Dec 2013 #319

I am not Major Nikon Dec 2013 #322

You are making assertions that make it obvious that you have not read msanthrope Dec 2013 #325

I could just as easily say the same about you Major Nikon Dec 2013 #332

Exactly...the judge was bound to the warrant because Assange didn't dispute the acts alleged. msanthrope Dec 2013 #334

Fair enough, let's read on then Major Nikon Dec 2013 #364

Exactly....because Assange did not raise 'innocence' as a ground for non-extradition, msanthrope Dec 2013 #366

Where exactly in the decision does it say that? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #367

Let me explain something to you about basic procedure.... msanthrope Dec 2013 #368

You can't have it both ways Major Nikon Dec 2013 #370

You know....you are conflating a lot of different issues and you don't seem to msanthrope Dec 2013 #371

Unsupported opinions are just that Major Nikon Dec 2013 #372

OmFG.....Assange did not raise 'innocence' as a ground for non-extraditon msanthrope Dec 2013 #373

I never looked for it and have no reason to do so Major Nikon Dec 2013 #374

Now we are getting to it..what was the Belmarsh court's finding regarding msanthrope Dec 2013 #375

You mean his testimony on a matter completely unrelated to Assange's guilt or innocence? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #376

Yes--that testimony that tells us that upon learning of his imminent arrest, Assange fled Sweden. msanthrope Dec 2013 #382

You are speculating and you got your facts wrong (proof enclosed) Major Nikon Dec 2013 #386

That's not proof...that what the judge found Hurtig lied about. Again...you msanthrope Dec 2013 #389

The judge never found Hurtig lied (proof enclosed) Major Nikon Dec 2013 #391

You mean when the judge used the word "prevarication" to describe Hurtig's testimony, right? msanthrope Dec 2013 #393

When you start quoting from the decision, then we'll have something to talk about Major Nikon Dec 2013 #395

Prevarication is not only a direct quote but was discussed upthread, extensively. msanthrope Dec 2013 #397

So why can't you quote the exact sentence so we can examine the context? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #399

"You're not posting in a vacuum, you know." xulamaude Dec 2013 #63

Yeah, it's also funny how some of the same folk who defend Assange BainsBane Dec 2013 #66

I was never involved in the "rape porn" discussions. /nt Marr Dec 2013 #73

The OP insists his position on the charges has nothing to do with his position on the NSA. Marr Dec 2013 #69

No - you were talking about women here who call out xulamaude Dec 2013 #72

Three people, including me, are telling you that they take no position on the NSA. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #74

Of course there will be individual exceptions. Marr Dec 2013 #79

Ha!!! Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #82

Here: xulamaude Dec 2013 #85

That was an overstatement; inaccurate and poorly worded-- I agree. Marr Dec 2013 #88

Words matter. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #92

I am opposed to the spying by the NSA gollygee Dec 2013 #256

The OP said: ieoeja Dec 2013 #78

Just take a look at the rec list. Puglover Dec 2013 #324

lol-- no kidding. Marr Dec 2013 #329

Is it just a coincidence that your claim is 100% unsubstantiated and likely false? nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #64

lol, right-- you have no position on the NSA. /nt Marr Dec 2013 #76

I do, but it's not what you imagine it to be. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #83

Wow-- you know what I imagine? Marr Dec 2013 #90

Yes, anyone who criticizes Assange and thinks he's trying to avoid culpability for his geek tragedy Dec 2013 #93

I have vigorously opposed the NSA and other invasions to the point of having posts hidden Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #80

Let me be very clear-- I'm not a defender of Julian Assange. Marr Dec 2013 #86

"I'm not a defender of Assange, I just think all of his accusers are part of a conspiracy geek tragedy Dec 2013 #94

Not all of them, no. Marr Dec 2013 #107

Sure, just like SOME Assange supporters are rape apologists. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #113

Some could be-- I don't know. What I *do* know is that I've noticed a correlation between Marr Dec 2013 #118

Have you noticed this correlation running the opposite way as well, with geek tragedy Dec 2013 #122

As a matter of fact, I have. Marr Dec 2013 #123

Sure. Which is why it's important to discuss the FACTS of his criminal case geek tragedy Dec 2013 #124

Actually, it's the discussion itself that's political. Marr Dec 2013 #126

That's a big stretch - xulamaude Dec 2013 #144

Don't confuse your sense of morality with law. Marr Dec 2013 #182

No, he isn't Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #233

In your opinion, it suggests guilt. Marr Dec 2013 #236

It suggests guilt because he admits to the substance of the charges. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #238

That's conflating two unrelated issues. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #216

"But it is foolish...to think that the law is never used to discredit people for political purposes" Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #103

Why Sweden? jeff47 Dec 2013 #130

Setting him up in ostensibly neutral Sweden for a easily understood crime works much better FarCenter Dec 2013 #149

Setting him up in the UK for an easily understood crime works just as well. jeff47 Dec 2013 #150

Ad hominem treestar Dec 2013 #280

Gonna have to kick and REC this! zappaman Dec 2013 #62

Stasi!!! nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #65

Solid scholarship. Reccommended. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #71

Why I am Convinced that Anna Ardin is a Liar FarCenter Dec 2013 #75

Assange will have his own counsel to bring to testimony any facts he sees fit. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #81

His right to counsel is not so clear FarCenter Dec 2013 #84

So what this "Conclusion" is really claiming is Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #96

Has the Swedish government promised not to extradite . . .? another_liberal Dec 2013 #105

Irrelevant. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #117

I guess we will have to disagree on this point. another_liberal Dec 2013 #119

Why would we seek extradition from Sweden? jeff47 Dec 2013 #132

We tried with Great Britain . . . another_liberal Dec 2013 #133

We tried by not filing charges or seeking extradition. jeff47 Dec 2013 #139

We expressed an interest in "Talking to him." another_liberal Dec 2013 #179

Our government can unveil the same indictment while he was in the UK. jeff47 Dec 2013 #180

You mean "the United Kingdom" Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #249

You need an editor. another_liberal Dec 2013 #303

That's not me, that's the high court judgement. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #310

Watch the insults, my friend. another_liberal Dec 2013 #311

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #313

Just ad notam wrt the Swedish legal system KitSileya Dec 2013 #299

Jury results (with at least one asshole misogynist juror) geek tragedy Dec 2013 #98

You can alert on the alert and it will go to admin maddezmom Dec 2013 #100

wow Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #106

Man that Juror #6 is all kinds of confused. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #112

"These young women made themselves public figures by their own choice." xulamaude Dec 2013 #121

Yeah, holy crap gollygee Dec 2013 #258

In Sweden their identities are supposed to be secret. joshcryer Dec 2013 #340

She didn't file charges until the 20th. joshcryer Dec 2013 #339

I second Nuclear Unicorn's #80. This is solid work and agree with this wholeheartedly. stevenleser Dec 2013 #89

Julian Assange is not an overwhelmingly admirable person. MineralMan Dec 2013 #91

You "appear" to have a misplaced and extreme naive faith and belief in the forces Zorra Dec 2013 #125

Well said. another_liberal Dec 2013 #127

Why Sweden? jeff47 Dec 2013 #134

Maybe the evidence that Sweden was complicit in some of the "rendition" flights? hobbit709 Dec 2013 #135

I thought this was all well known.. polly7 Dec 2013 #138

Still wouldn't make it easier than the UK. jeff47 Dec 2013 #140

No, he can not be easily extradited from the Ecuadoran Embassy in London. Zorra Dec 2013 #137

Because Assange was always in the embassy. He wasn't walking around London before that. jeff47 Dec 2013 #141

Thank you Zorra...was ready to trash this thread until you put the facts KoKo Dec 2013 #145

It took 125 replies for someone to state the plainly obvious. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #136

Under almost any other circumstances, Zorra Dec 2013 #143

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #157

So we couldn't find any UK women to lie about rape? jeff47 Dec 2013 #187

Selective naivete, I think. It goes with the selective ignorance and selective principles that have Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #285

Assange admits he penetrated without a condom. joshcryer Dec 2013 #346

Thread. Win. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #142

Aaaaaand /thread LittleBlue Dec 2013 #148

the entire statement is false. Assange does not claim the charges are trumped up BainsBane Dec 2013 #164

Broken record. LittleBlue Dec 2013 #166

You seem to care an awful lot about broken records though. xulamaude Dec 2013 #169

Bravo. Well said. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #151

Assange himself doesn't say the allegations are false BainsBane Dec 2013 #153

Why are defending the accusers? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #158

Because rape victims are human beings BainsBane Dec 2013 #162

Sure I do. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #167

"not so eager to see Assange imprisoned." xulamaude Dec 2013 #170

Fine. But, there are certainly some here who have decided he is guilty. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #173

Care to share some links? nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #176

Read the op Soundman Dec 2013 #188

If I only had a dime for every 'implication' on DU xulamaude Dec 2013 #203

Based on your request for links it is evident you didn't read it with out some degree Soundman Dec 2013 #215

"It's a subconscious thing you see." xulamaude Dec 2013 #218

That is for a court to determine BainsBane Dec 2013 #174

How do you determine that the women are telling the truth? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #177

How do you determine that the women are lying? jeff47 Dec 2013 #192

It's just my opinion that they're lying. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #229

It's my opinion that they have no benefit from lying jeff47 Dec 2013 #316

How? TorchTheWitch Dec 2013 #302

Shameless. The Guardian: 8/22/10 ~ "WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange denies rape allegations" Zorra Dec 2013 #220

crickets... Matariki Dec 2013 #287

Only crickets I'm hearing are the ones that indicate a lack of reply to post 301.... msanthrope Dec 2013 #327

Exactly, it is yet more lies that authoritarian toadies manufacture quinnox Dec 2013 #290

This thread has been like flypaper Bobbie Jo Dec 2013 #326

Blah blah blah anybody who questions authority or exposes wrongdoing by your beloved authorities Zorra Dec 2013 #335

Toadies, etc.... Bobbie Jo Dec 2013 #336

Describing someone as authoritarian who almost always supports, and who rarely or never Zorra Dec 2013 #337

Good lord Bobbie Jo Dec 2013 #350

And has since admitted the allegations while denying they constituted rape. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #301

It's already very clear what the plaintiffs are alleging. Zorra Dec 2013 #330

Oh, yeah, Julian thought a sleeping person was consenting to unprotected sex. joshcryer Dec 2013 #348

As misanthrope pointed out, that changed with the filing in the UK. joshcryer Dec 2013 #341

"there is overwhelming evidence that false allegations" Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #165

+1000. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #175

+ a million. Post of the year, as far as I'm concerned quinnox Dec 2013 #181

Brava! Thank you for stating the obvious! countryjake Dec 2013 #183

Outstanding. 99Forever Dec 2013 #239

+100000 Hear, hear. woo me with science Dec 2013 #266

As we both know, fighting fascism is a lifetime commitment, until further notice. Zorra Dec 2013 #282

Until further notice. woo me with science Dec 2013 #294

"Assange admits penetration without condom" = "false allegations"? joshcryer Dec 2013 #342

I was under the impression he was actually wanted for questioning in connection with allegations. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #146

There is a chronology of events in post 9 BainsBane Dec 2013 #152

Would you address Zorra's post please? Oakenshield Dec 2013 #154

Zorra should address BainBane's points first since BB is the OP. stevenleser Dec 2013 #155

Depending on the facts, I might buy the argument. Jim Lane Dec 2013 #200

And now try "I raped the girl, but they are only prosecuting me because I am a political dissident" stevenleser Dec 2013 #222

I understand that you are trying to equate "guy" with "girl" xulamaude Dec 2013 #231

Sorry, you lost me. Jim Lane Dec 2013 #235

Can't read post 153? (nt) jeff47 Dec 2013 #195

Yes - that confirms "he's wanted for questioning in connection with" dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #204

If you bother reading the rest of the material jeff47 Dec 2013 #207

Charges are filed after an interview dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #211

Again, you are treating this as US law, not Swedish law. jeff47 Dec 2013 #213

Look at me dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #217

You are making a truthful but irrelevant statement. jeff47 Dec 2013 #314

Sweden's justice system is not the same as the US justice system jeff47 Dec 2013 #198

One simple solution would be for the US to assure him that he wouldn't also be Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #189

Apparently the Labor Party has something like that in the works BainsBane Dec 2013 #194

I think its a great idea. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #196

Sounds good to me BainsBane Dec 2013 #197

Can't really do that. jeff47 Dec 2013 #202

You're sort of contradicting yourself, sounds like. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #206

I wanted to get across that I do not think he committed a crime regarding Manning's leak. jeff47 Dec 2013 #209

And I'm only offering suggestions on ways out of the impasse. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #223

Again, why is this the US's problem to solve? jeff47 Dec 2013 #315

Some points you overlook Jim Lane Dec 2013 #190

So those very powerful people could only find women to lie for them in Sweden? jeff47 Dec 2013 #205

Responses to your questions Jim Lane Dec 2013 #230

Cogent whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #265

If only those responses actually addressed the issues jeff47 Dec 2013 #317

More responses Jim Lane Dec 2013 #358

I am not assuming omnipotence. jeff47 Dec 2013 #369

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Dec 2013 #308

Brava on you BainsBane.. for pointing out the facts on Cha Dec 2013 #214

Actually, the OP is misinformed. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #251

This is probably the best OP on this case I've seen yet. cemaphonic Dec 2013 #232

All of your points - Thank you. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #234

Wow. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #312

Actual innocence is a reason for non extradition. Assange did not msanthrope Dec 2013 #328

"The question for now is what you each of us here on DU is: Are you someone who believes some people Hissyspit Dec 2013 #237

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #240

Anyone defending someone hiding from sexual assault allegations Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #241

I kinda feel that way about those who try to label their ideological opponents as rape apologists Major Nikon Dec 2013 #253

Look at this thread BainsBane Dec 2013 #273

I wasn't defending him. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #254

"We released over ten years of emails from the CIU and those climate scientists. . . " ucrdem Dec 2013 #242

I still can't figure out authoritarian schmucks who front... 99Forever Dec 2013 #244

Exactly. ucrdem Dec 2013 #247

Actually, you've had lots of things explained to you. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #252

You mean somewhere rape victims are considered human beings who actually matter? BainsBane Dec 2013 #269

You mean somewhere where people are considered innocent until proven guilty? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #289

That is the point of a trial BainsBane Dec 2013 #293

Ideally, yes. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #295

Post 277 BainsBane Dec 2013 #321

It's simple...they must add a bit of truth, if they want to make their lies believable, to those Zorra Dec 2013 #286

Wow, what a complete misrepresentation. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #259

Yes it is. That's why I posted it. ucrdem Dec 2013 #281

Yeah, it was all his fault. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #288

The fact that he played ANY role doesn't trouble you? ucrdem Dec 2013 #292

No, he doesn't. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #296

Sorry, no cigar. There's no excuse for lending credence to the Climategate smears. ucrdem Dec 2013 #298

Wow (again), that's not analogous at all. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #304

He said the media took SOME things out of context. joshcryer Dec 2013 #345

Holy fucking shit. I did NOT know that Wikileaks was behind that. joshcryer Dec 2013 #344

He had no choice, right. ucrdem Dec 2013 #361

I falsely thought Wikileaks released everything but the "insurance" file proves they don't. joshcryer Dec 2013 #362

Strange bedfellows. n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #351

Speaking of fellows ucrdem Dec 2013 #360

The first with the description, having read comments, appears neutral. I'll go along: freshwest Dec 2013 #380

Yep. Good rant. ucrdem Dec 2013 #381

Assange Supporters kind of Sound like Zimmerman Supporters JI7 Dec 2013 #267

Damn, you nailed it. Which is probably why his political party has already gone the Number23 Dec 2013 #357

Well said... SidDithers Dec 2013 #378

Thanks for posting this davidpdx Dec 2013 #283

A large part of the problem is that the allegations wouldn't be considered rape Warpy Dec 2013 #353

So what? BainsBane Dec 2013 #354

I appreciate that you are now calling Assange "this particular accused rapist." Jim Lane Dec 2013 #359

Note the utter victim shaming---the repeat of the utter lie that that the victim was paid. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #384

He didn't say the victim was paid Major Nikon Dec 2013 #387

"Another is that the alleged victim seems to have been paid to make them and stick to them." msanthrope Dec 2013 #390

You do understand the literal difference between "seems" and "was", yes? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #392

You gonna give me a definition of "is," too? You made a mistake.... msanthrope Dec 2013 #394

Why don't you simply explain why you clearly misrepresented his statement? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #396

Right...keep trying to mitigate post 353. I think the more attention you draw to that msanthrope Dec 2013 #398

Strawman. There's nothing to mitigate. I'm asking why you misrepresented his statement. Major Nikon Dec 2013 #400

Um..no. Kindly read the allegations--the specific acts on the warrant listed above msanthrope Dec 2013 #383

+1 Well stated Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #385

Their lawyer is certainly getting paid Major Nikon Dec 2013 #388