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davidthegnome

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84. I think it requires far more fixing than that.

Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:13 AM

Dec 2013

While I've always voted for (and will continue to vote for) democrats, often even as the lesser of two evils, I'm not expecting much. I do vote for liberals during the primaries, when there is one available.

It needs to be considered though, that the game is rigged. It costs a ridiculous amount of money to get into an important race, millions of dollars in advertising and campaign fees. This is a game that only the rich can afford to play - and a game that only the rich have any hope of winning.

There are rare exceptions to rule, but for the most part, I expect the system and the people who run it to remain stagnant.

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This Budget deal is Shit!!! [View all] Heather MC Dec 2013 OP

Really? There was going to be another government shutdown??? The GOP could not stand another kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #1

Because we have two parties... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #18

+1,000 Scuba Dec 2013 #28

+1000 abelenkpe Dec 2013 #55

Yup. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2013 #57

Anything with paul ryan's fingerprints on it is shit. calimary Dec 2013 #2

You nailed it. russspeakeasy Dec 2013 #3

Our party no longer offers any resistance to the Repukes, Doctor_J Dec 2013 #4

Except for a few social issues... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #19

YOU ARE VERY WRONG. You are viewing the world through such a narrow lens. Reality please. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #32

+10000000 The differences on social issues are tactical and deliberate. woo me with science Dec 2013 #58

When we are busy fighting each other... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #65

Many on this site -- in this thread! -- buy into that very illusion villager Dec 2013 #77

Not true at all. Um, remember the SHUTDOWN a couple months ago? No resistance? Where were you? RBInMaine Dec 2013 #33

Ha ha ha ha. woo me with science Dec 2013 #59

Remind me again what the proletariat got from the shutdown Doctor_J Dec 2013 #79

Probably because many in "our party" are really RepubliCons. polichick Dec 2013 #35

They are all corporatists. woo me with science Dec 2013 #60

Yeah, that's how I see it too - one party, two faces... polichick Dec 2013 #66

Another first Earth Day activist here. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #74

We've done a lot of good work, but yes, "It's time to think... polichick Dec 2013 #75

Heard about it on the way home earlier - it is TOTAL. CRAP. Triana Dec 2013 #5

Unemployment insurance will be done separately. The tax increases and elimination of loopholes RBInMaine Dec 2013 #23

Where is the evidence that UI will be done separately? former9thward Dec 2013 #54

The President and other Democrats are pushing it. Is it part of this budget? No it isn't, but it lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #78

Democratic Party Negotiating School 101. bullwinkle428 Dec 2013 #6

Did they get the cuts to social security they wanted? pnwmom Dec 2013 #7

If they did.... daleanime Dec 2013 #11

They didn't. Which is why the OP is very misleading. pnwmom Dec 2013 #16

it's a shitty deal with or without the cuts to SS. The budget numbers are Heather MC Dec 2013 #40

Which budget numbers are lower? Not the overall budget. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #41

I stand corrected Heather MC Dec 2013 #48

Misleading graph that should start at zero on the Y axis. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #53

Yup... SidDithers Dec 2013 #63

Same graph, with about 75% less outrage. nt JoePhilly Dec 2013 #64

Except that the bars don't correspond. Red bar should be above the 1k line, not below. Sirveri Dec 2013 #86

The final budget is $45-46 Billion between pnwmom Dec 2013 #56

No. Entitlements aren't touched* and domestic spending goes back up Recursion Dec 2013 #15

I remain wary of any deal Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #8

Heritage Foundation was mad the Government Reopen Heather MC Dec 2013 #9

Just sent her a message and Phlem Dec 2013 #10

President Obama's statement on the budget deal... PoliticAverse Dec 2013 #12

People had been predicting that this was the plan all on along on both sides of the aisle. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #13

I thought the plan was to cut Social Security. great white snark Dec 2013 #21

are you denying it was put on the table? DrDan Dec 2013 #22

By the prez, right? polichick Dec 2013 #38

by the prez, right DrDan Dec 2013 #39

In the spirit of "compromise" or some such bullshit. polichick Dec 2013 #67

playing around, in the name of politics, with the livelihood of millions of seniors, DrDan Dec 2013 #71

What passes as a "Democratic leader" has morphed into meaninglessness... polichick Dec 2013 #72

It's the best we can get and hope for. jsr Dec 2013 #61

AFP and Heritage hate it, which is good enough for me Recursion Dec 2013 #14

I agree. Good job, Patty Murray. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #17

The sequester goes away in part because all federal employees face a pay cut. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #25

Yes, we do Recursion Dec 2013 #26

The sequester on Defense cost a lot of Fed employees pay as well NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #27

As an employee that experienced the furloughs this year... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #29

It doesn't affect all federal employees SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2013 #82

you're correct. there was some bad info going around our office. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #83

It was bullshit then and it is bullshit now! lonestarnot Dec 2013 #20

The budget deal is about the best that could be expected with a right wing HOUSE. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #24

Strong case of xactlies here n/t gelsdorf Dec 2013 #30

It is a strong case of REALITY and TRUTH here. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #31

People didn't vote because "Dems" cut deals like this... polichick Dec 2013 #36

Hey, let's blame the victim! demwing Dec 2013 #44

+100 MineralMan Dec 2013 #51

Yes it's shit, But look at the bright side, if not for the Democrats standing up to them Autumn Dec 2013 #34

Yes, shit for us but looks pretty good for the Republicans. Little Star Dec 2013 #37

they call it bi-partisan Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #42

Yes, you missed this one descriptive word: OLIGARCHY mother earth Dec 2013 #43

Third Way Wall Street Corp Dems Strike Again! fredamae Dec 2013 #45

'Calling them out' does nothing to pass a budget. randome Dec 2013 #50

The Dem Give-Aways are so close to the fredamae Dec 2013 #52

In the small non-profit hospice I work for my boss was freaking out because the planned mucifer Dec 2013 #46

We need to take back the House Gothmog Dec 2013 #47

^^^ This n/t crazylikafox Dec 2013 #49

I'm starting to think there is no "we" davidthegnome Dec 2013 #62

You fix that in the primaries. jeff47 Dec 2013 #70

I think it requires far more fixing than that. davidthegnome Dec 2013 #84

Except it isn't. jeff47 Dec 2013 #87

Won't matter unless we've also taken back the party. polichick Dec 2013 #68

Tried that in 2008 Doctor_J Dec 2013 #81

"The only good thing is that it prevents another stupid Gov Shutdown" DCBob Dec 2013 #69

Looks mostly like business as usual. taught_me_patience Dec 2013 #73

It's a con game. woo me with science Dec 2013 #76

Doncha know...it is called "compromise". glinda Dec 2013 #80

When a Republican is involved it's a CONpromise upi402 Dec 2013 #85