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KitSileya

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35. He is learning a lot of things at this age.

Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:28 AM

Dec 2013

That his mother, and half the country, if you look at DU castigates the school for what they did, and makes a big brouhaha about how unfair this is, may teach him that he wasn't at fault - may teach other kids that when this happens to them, they should just take it, because it is cute and kids will be kids. I do not think 6 is too young to learn that you can say no if someone wants to kiss you and you don't want to. It is a lesson not often taught, by parents who admonish their kids to kiss grandpa, and to hug auntie, even if they don't want to. 6 is also not too young to learn that you cannot hug or kiss anyone who does not want it, and that you cannot hug or kiss anyone anywhere if you have been told, as this kid has been, that he cannot do it in class. The mother persists in calling the little girl his "girlfriend" - she labels them "boyfriend and girlfriend" and said that the girl didn't mind. Is it such a leap to assume that the mother encourages this fantasy, when it is abundantly clear that the girl does not like it and it has been addressed multiple times by the school?

We cannot say what this specific boy will do in the future, but this is part of our culture that tells girls that they must smile at men when they ask them to on the street, that says to girls that they must give their time and attention to strangers on the bus, lest they be branded rude and b&/chy, that tells boys that they must chase girls, and pressure them, and try to get laid in any way they can. This is one of the places where it starts.

As for the possibility of trauma, I suggested that that may be one of the reasons why the school decided to label this behavior sexual harassment in the files. (Apart from the fact that persistent unwanted kissing is sexual harassment.) Should something turn up later, they then have a comprehensive file on his behavior of acting out and the way he acted out. No one would have know what their notes said but them and the parents of the boy, if the mother hadn't gone to the media.

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"Mother of girl involved in 'kissing' discipline speaks out" [View all] KitSileya Dec 2013 OP

That boy's going to get his ass kicked. And he's going to deserve it. And the girl who does it will LeftyMom Dec 2013 #1

Well, considering that the school actually reacted appropriately, perhaps not. KitSileya Dec 2013 #4

I think he is. Since his family took this to the media and is throwing a damned fit, LeftyMom Dec 2013 #5

Yes, that mother is encouraging her son's behavior. KitSileya Dec 2013 #6

I disagree. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2013 #21

He is learning a lot of things at this age. KitSileya Dec 2013 #35

First rule in the primary grades is appropriate boundaries duffyduff Dec 2013 #208

It's not the kissing. It's that girls don't get to control their own bodies. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #64

No, it's about keeping personal space and not violating others'. duffyduff Dec 2013 #209

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #298

are you serious ? that would explain the replies towards the bottom JI7 Dec 2013 #305

Yes. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #307

It's basically verbatim down thread... nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #310

I fail to see what you find objectionable about her comment BainsBane Dec 2013 #323

If he wants it, the girl must be his "girlfriend" no matter what she wants... CTyankee Dec 2013 #348

well. there we go. and all the angst that it was wanted, and nothin, ect... good for the school. seabeyond Dec 2013 #2

And once again, the mother of the boy Jamastiene Dec 2013 #62

and the men thru out this thread are totally reinforcing it. i posted the deleted, but yes... seabeyond Dec 2013 #65

You raised them to behave and act right. Jamastiene Dec 2013 #70

i had it on the reverse side raising two sons. one boy was kissed at five, hated it, was angry seabeyond Dec 2013 #135

It is good to see you taught them respect should go both ways. Jamastiene Dec 2013 #321

This little boy has to be taught that unwanted touching has consequences before he gets old enough liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #3

Good. No more "boys will be boys" or "how cute, he likes you" NuclearDem Dec 2013 #7

I never saw it as anything but sexual harrassment. It was posted in threads as if it was innocent. freshwest Dec 2013 #8

My own brother endured something like this in elementary school. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2013 #12

i blame the parents of that boy also JI7 Dec 2013 #9

Mixed feelings. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2013 #10

Christ! Somebody get that woman a Valium! Warpy Dec 2013 #11

they did try to talk to him but he wouldn't stop JI7 Dec 2013 #13

Funny, some kid did that to me when I was nine or so Warpy Dec 2013 #34

There is nothing postiive in teaching children to beat each other BainsBane Dec 2013 #324

Oh, good gawd. Warpy Dec 2013 #326

If you like a society based on war and rampant violence BainsBane Dec 2013 #328

I'm curious what folks think of this: 1000words Dec 2013 #14

the story in the OP is about a girl who did not want it and the boy refused to stop JI7 Dec 2013 #17

The mother's attitude is what struck me 1000words Dec 2013 #19

i did not read it. but, i will tell you my experience with my 5 yr old son that was kissed by a seabeyond Dec 2013 #18

That depends on how the boy feels about it BainsBane Dec 2013 #325

i wonder if those in the other thread will admit to being wrong JI7 Dec 2013 #15

When I first saw it I suspected this was what it was about Major Nikon Dec 2013 #93

Because I don't live in the district, know any of the children, or work in the school... ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #128

It's obvious the six year old is a sexual predator. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #16

so it is ok for a boy to continue harass a girl, stop her from playing with her friends, isolate her seabeyond Dec 2013 #20

That was a short break. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #23

the kids was doing this to the girl, he was stopping her from playing, teacher stepped seabeyond Dec 2013 #25

Speaking of gibberish... Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #27

really? truly amazing. that you just do not care about the infringement on the little girl. seabeyond Dec 2013 #29

Others are saying the mother needs to be drugged whopis01 Dec 2013 #210

hmmm. lol. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #212

He got a note in his file. KitSileya Dec 2013 #22

Yep. He's level 5. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #24

seriously? does reason ever become a part of your argument? seabeyond Dec 2013 #26

Well it's quite obvious this boy is a sexual predator. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #28

and you would be the only one with hair on fire with this rant. so i gotta figure it is your way of seabeyond Dec 2013 #30

I am thinking of the girl. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #32

ya. waste of time. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #33

Which, of course, neither is happening. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #94

WTF, is ANY of what you post grounded in reality- or human decency? It appears neither of those bettyellen Dec 2013 #147

Rape culture warriors aren't concerned with trivial things like decency geek tragedy Dec 2013 #175

Read this thread while logged out ... saw all the responses. 1000words Dec 2013 #38

... Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #39

of course. just another form of being disrespectful and disruptive. you boys can high five each seabeyond Dec 2013 #43

well, you could see that one coming a mile away... CTyankee Dec 2013 #350

Clearly. Except..... KitSileya Dec 2013 #44

This boy clearly needs help. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #46

Let me post the relevant quotes from the article where the girl's mother speaks out. KitSileya Dec 2013 #56

I'd minimize his actions too if I felt the need to rationalize them. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #132

Read the full article. The boy was a persistent molester and intervention was required. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #188

Re-read what I said. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #189

Hey, sport. I'm reading ALL of your replies in this thread. You're fooling nobody. Here: NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #194

He is nit the only one who needs psychological help MattBaggins Dec 2013 #232

You're absolutely right. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #233

ah. see. you stepped over the line to really offensive. watch your child being bullied and then seabeyond Dec 2013 #243

Think you have that one nailed down - xulamaude Dec 2013 #249

My personal life is none of your concern. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #265

that is your goal? seeing how ugly and outrageous you can be to get a reaction? kinda reinforces seabeyond Dec 2013 #267

I noticed some of your posting habits that have me going "hmmmm..." Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #269

"here in these meaningless threads" xulamaude Dec 2013 #273

Another keyboard warrior. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #297

Flying 19th! Booyah! nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #299

Right, because any parent that teaches her child that others have no right to touch her without BainsBane Dec 2013 #364

So is the six year old a boy or man now? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #369

A boy BainsBane Dec 2013 #393

people here seem to think men and women pop out fully formed, behaving nothing like their prior bettyellen Dec 2013 #399

at that children are to be left alone BainsBane Dec 2013 #410

you're having real trouble keeping up, aren't you? bettyellen Dec 2013 #394

Helicopter or telescope? BainsBane Dec 2013 #401

That made me giggle. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #426

Do you mind if I ask BainsBane Dec 2013 #429

St. Cloud. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #431

Ok. Cool. BainsBane Dec 2013 #433

Just an fyi... Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #442

And yet you make a big show of supporting gay rights here on DU. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #382

Error. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #48

My bad. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #49

ya. all these posts of your certainly are "your bad" seabeyond Dec 2013 #55

I consider his pattern of behavior extremely troubling. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #61

Several of our new visitors aren't so discerning about facts. redqueen Dec 2013 #51

true, Girls exist so guys can touch, kiss and do whatever they want to do to them JI7 Dec 2013 #76

I'm glad you said that. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #79

Fascinating to find someone arguing for men's entitlement to buy women here geek tragedy Dec 2013 #172

if the two are not connected. thru out the threads. didnt want to call attention but so obvious seabeyond Dec 2013 #174

To be funny, satire needs to hold a mirror up to life. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #91

So it is okay for the boy to harass the girl. It is a valid question Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #92

I suppose many people will rationalize the little boy as the victim in all this. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #130

... NuclearDem Dec 2013 #158

So you are like white on rice in threads about Pope/Gay Rights but you are snide when it comes to KittyWampus Dec 2013 #380

Only in America.... go west young man Dec 2013 #31

+1 Johonny Dec 2013 #397

So would this apply if the genders were reversed? davidn3600 Dec 2013 #36

If I was a kid today, I'd devote my life to ridding the world of as many Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #40

one kid has made it thru school and one kid is a couple years out. never had any issue. seabeyond Dec 2013 #41

Maybe your school district isnt as insane as many of these others davidn3600 Dec 2013 #47

or parents that did not put up with crap, had expectation of behavior and knew what was going on in seabeyond Dec 2013 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #42

Gender does not matter Major Nikon Dec 2013 #96

This... best post of the thread. aptal Dec 2013 #447

Anti-woman twofer: try to make men/boys the victim and then throw a hissy fit geek tragedy Dec 2013 #180

What kind of fucking question is that? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #221

yes, it would apply if reversed. Especially if it is repeated behavior. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #384

Apparently, I missed another DU flamefest. Do I understand correctly that half of the board is Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #37

This kid is part of the patriarchy NoOneMan Dec 2013 #45

A little boy was suspended for repeatedly bothering other classmates and being disruptive. redqueen Dec 2013 #50

You just described a common behavioral problem amongst 6 year old boys 1000words Dec 2013 #54

Welcome to DU. redqueen Dec 2013 #57

Thanks! 1000words Dec 2013 #59

you have a problem with them documenting the issue? and it arises again, they clearly understand seabeyond Dec 2013 #63

i think him thinking it's ok to keep doing things to girls they don't want is worse JI7 Dec 2013 #66

Exactly! nt SunSeeker Dec 2013 #77

"Sexual harassment is bothering a girl in a way you wouldn't bother a boy." See, easy! LeftyMom Dec 2013 #69

So writes the poster who thinks a six year-old deserves an "ass kicking." 1000words Dec 2013 #83

Did you really read it that way? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #98

No, I said he's going to get one when he's older if he keeps it up. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #102

Or bothering a boy in a way you wouldn't bother a girl. The MRAs on this tblue37 Dec 2013 #314

Umm no. MattBaggins Dec 2013 #235

If that is true, then I would hope it is because schools are stopping boys from CTyankee Dec 2013 #361

The boy was suspended for a third time offense of kissing a girl. KitSileya Dec 2013 #53

OK, thank you all very much for the replies, I've read three articles now, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #60

ya. that is about how the mom responded. hence, missing the opportunity to teach her son seabeyond Dec 2013 #67

The six year old sexual predator should have his future ruined. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #68

his mother is the one who went to the media and put him on TV for anyone to see JI7 Dec 2013 #71

If I had kids I would get them so far away from this nation of bat-shit insane maniacs, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #80

I would literally be afraid to send my kid to kindergarten. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #81

Little boys, kissing girls who do not want it, and not stopping when told to stop? KitSileya Dec 2013 #86

Woah. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #87

nothing happened to the boy who stopped when told to stop JI7 Dec 2013 #89

You mean the little six year old girl who had to endure multiple kisses on her Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #101

They told him to stop. KitSileya Dec 2013 #105

Please re-read the last sentence of my previous reply. You really need it. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #108

That few of us remember how it is being six? KitSileya Dec 2013 #109

I rest my case. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #113

your "case" was full of ridiculous absurdities. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #136

perhaps you'd be happier in parts of India or Africa where little girls are routinely abused? bettyellen Dec 2013 #176

Agreed. Puglover Dec 2013 #354

Your lack of concern for protecting the girl in this case is duly noted. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #184

People who use words like "persistent molester" to describe a 6 year old? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #434

No MattBaggins Dec 2013 #234

The ultimate Rorschach Test. rawtribe Dec 2013 #58

looks like there are some who think Girls should be forced to allow guys to touch them as they want JI7 Dec 2013 #72

Six year old boys don't know which side of their underwear smells the worst Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #73

You opinion of the terms is irrelevant MattBaggins Dec 2013 #236

The kid is six years old. Whatever happened to sitting down with his mother in the principal's Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #251

they did. a number of times. first talk. then time out. then inschool detention. then suspension seabeyond Dec 2013 #255

Because they are SIX freaking years old!!!! Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #272

wrong. 6 yr olds are perfectly capable with appropriate and connecting parenting. just not that seabeyond Dec 2013 #278

Bullying yes. Sexual harassment no! Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #280

jeezus. the kids was not addressed about sexual fuckin harassment. they sat down and talked to the seabeyond Dec 2013 #281

There were no lawyers and cops MattBaggins Dec 2013 #256

The boy has a serious behavior problem, and suspension is an appropriate consequence for his actions Maedhros Dec 2013 #74

I think it is. KitSileya Dec 2013 #82

The problem is with the context. Maedhros Dec 2013 #206

They have to learn when they are young. Deep13 Dec 2013 #75

wow, people think the Girl was wrong to complain JI7 Dec 2013 #78

I have not seen that here? KitSileya Dec 2013 #84

i see it as connected JI7 Dec 2013 #85

That is very, very true. KitSileya Dec 2013 #103

Or that the boy learn that behavior has consequences MattBaggins Dec 2013 #237

and these would be exactly the same people who are offended by bettyellen Dec 2013 #151

Suspension seems way over the top. zentrum Dec 2013 #88

why does the girl and her parents need to be in the meeting ? JI7 Dec 2013 #90

So they can describe to the boy's parents zentrum Dec 2013 #140

And if you had read the articles, you would know that these steps had been taken. KitSileya Dec 2013 #99

Not quite. zentrum Dec 2013 #144

appropriate steps were taking all the way thru this and the behavior continued. seabeyond Dec 2013 #138

The issue I have with this is equating it with some kind of sexual deviancy. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #95

it got national attention because his mother who lied about the girl wanting it went to the media JI7 Dec 2013 #97

Right, and I understand that, Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #100

No it was the fault of the boys mother MattBaggins Dec 2013 #238

the parents were talked to asking them to tell boys it was not acceptable. one boy stopped seabeyond Dec 2013 #245

You should realize there are a lot of parents out there who encourage this behavior Major Nikon Dec 2013 #104

I totally agree with you. KitSileya Dec 2013 #110

Yeah, some parents are pretty fucked up, apparently. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #112

It wouldn't have drawn national attention if the mother hadn't gone to the press. KitSileya Dec 2013 #107

The girl that lived on the corner, Karen Cornelius (Yes, I still remember her name) used to kick Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #111

or a parent can do there job and address the issue instead of ignoring. giving a valued lesson to seabeyond Dec 2013 #139

You really really really live in a bizarre world MattBaggins Dec 2013 #239

The irony of that reply is so rich on so many levels, one has to wonder whether Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #445

Seriously? Deep13 Dec 2013 #330

Maybe the fiery language of sexual harassment isn't quite appropriate. Perhaps it could have Ed Suspicious Dec 2013 #106

From the EEOC website KitSileya Dec 2013 #114

I deal with this behavior at work Major Nikon Dec 2013 #118

I do hope the boy will correct his behavior. KitSileya Dec 2013 #122

That kid needs some help. MADem Dec 2013 #115

He's just an excitable boy Major Nikon Dec 2013 #116

What is certain is, that no matter what he is, KitSileya Dec 2013 #117

He's a good little approval-seeking parrot, like a lot of little kids are. MADem Dec 2013 #119

I agree Major Nikon Dec 2013 #121

Ahhh, d'oh! MADem Dec 2013 #123

You don't know that BainsBane Dec 2013 #331

... Major Nikon Dec 2013 #349

you say ask, so i ask. having read your post above, you unequivocally say this behavior was wrong. seabeyond Dec 2013 #352

Warren Zevon's macabre tale is of a boy that everyone dismissed as excitable Major Nikon Dec 2013 #355

thanks. i agree. one does not have to be a child psychologist to know. all one does is have to be seabeyond Dec 2013 #358

Imagine if the story was about two boys instead of a boy and a girl Major Nikon Dec 2013 #367

true. i imagine you see there would have been outrage. or equally, and was asked often seabeyond Dec 2013 #373

It wouldn't matter even if it was a feminist issue Major Nikon Dec 2013 #375

you were not the one repeated told... you hate men. over and over in these threads. seabeyond Dec 2013 #383

Sounds more like a derision of you personally than one of feminism Major Nikon Dec 2013 #388

come on major.... we both know the reality of it. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #390

I alluded to the reality Major Nikon Dec 2013 #402

It's only the lives of two human beings BainsBane Dec 2013 #357

Peer pressure is meaningless to me Major Nikon Dec 2013 #372

I think there are two victims of abuse here. last1standing Dec 2013 #120

I have been vary of suggesting that he may have been abused. KitSileya Dec 2013 #124

Ding ding ding winner katsy Dec 2013 #201

exactly katsy. right on. my boys fought very little and last 5 yrs none at all. they shared seabeyond Dec 2013 #300

True. Gender conditioning affects both sexes. Deep13 Dec 2013 #332

Threads like these make one thing perfectly clear Soundman Dec 2013 #125

That was a very diplomatic post - KitSileya Dec 2013 #126

Yes. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #127

Cute n/t Soundman Dec 2013 #129

I don't understand your position, please explain. Honest question. Lasher Dec 2013 #143

I will, Soundman Dec 2013 #182

since you so unfailry put us in a box, be clear i have seen all of us address the mom as the issue. seabeyond Dec 2013 #187

Wow you type fast, Soundman Dec 2013 #191

ya. and if it is not addressed to me, and the group you are talking, you would be wrong seabeyond Dec 2013 #195

Thanks for elaborating, but I didn't realize I'd be inviting you into a hornets' nest. Lasher Dec 2013 #217

I agree Soundman Dec 2013 #219

Yes prepubescent children can be sexual MattBaggins Dec 2013 #240

lot's of my friends teach, and it is disturbing to hear what some 6-10 year olds do and say. bettyellen Dec 2013 #406

of course they know. some even brag about how young kids are watching porn. and brag about seabeyond Dec 2013 #414

Yes, lots of people perpetuating rape culture and who see geek tragedy Dec 2013 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author Soundman Dec 2013 #199

if you talk about women at all here, it has been to use or defend sexist language geek tragedy Dec 2013 #202

This message was self-deleted by its author Soundman Dec 2013 #207

Holy shit, I rest my case . geek tragedy Dec 2013 #211

i guess the only solution for empathy is all women and girls stay far far away from all men seabeyond Dec 2013 #213

You should be lecturing women to be geek tragedy Dec 2013 #214

ya know.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #215

As I stated Soundman Dec 2013 #218

The reality is that you said that women who get raped bring it upon themselves geek tragedy Dec 2013 #220

Could you please show Soundman Dec 2013 #223

right here geek tragedy Dec 2013 #225

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #226

Yes, your stance is that unless women are wearing burkas they provoke rapists geek tragedy Dec 2013 #230

You are a horrible person MattBaggins Dec 2013 #244

But he can't be BainsBane Dec 2013 #329

In response to your post below BainsBane Dec 2013 #295

If you've got to work so hard Dorian Gray Dec 2013 #345

wow, he thinks it's inappropriate women to have sex because she enjoys it JI7 Dec 2013 #270

and he is going to teach his granddaughter. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #282

classic whore virgin thing. if you have sex with someone else, why not me too? unless you're in bettyellen Dec 2013 #420

" but the Mom, GF , sister.... they are saints,"... unless they do something than man deems makes seabeyond Dec 2013 #427

I knew there was more to this story underpants Dec 2013 #131

Yes, but even before the girl's family commented, KitSileya Dec 2013 #134

Another drama/hoax by our bubble media underpants Dec 2013 #137

I agree with your every word. Lasher Dec 2013 #148

Thank you underpants Dec 2013 #161

Sexual Harassment for this boy is a sad joke. 1awake Dec 2013 #133

Sexual aggressiveness even at that age exboyfil Dec 2013 #142

He... is... six... Decaffeinated Dec 2013 #141

and yet another post of boys will be boys. there is a whole lot to address with this issue from a seabeyond Dec 2013 #145

You're a real piece of work... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #315

man hating. i stand up for the boy, capable of comprehending and needing the guiding hand of the seabeyond Dec 2013 #316

btw... ".he is six years old". the little girl was 6 yrs old for crying out loud seabeyond Dec 2013 #317

They.Are.Fucking.Kids. truebrit71 Dec 2013 #318

where the fuck did you fuckin hear me talk about fuckin ADULT sexual harassment any fuckin where.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #319

What is it about their age you just don't seem to be able to grasp? truebrit71 Dec 2013 #379

kids will be kids. silly stuff. wrapped in cotton. immune to physical contact.interpersonal relation seabeyond Dec 2013 #385

If children are not taught to respect boundaries of both themselves and others BainsBane Dec 2013 #391

Ignore truebrit71 Dec 2013 #462

Lol BainsBane Dec 2013 #479

Having bodily integrity is being "wrapped in cotton wool"? redqueen Dec 2013 #392

Ignore. Plus, Arsenal suck. truebrit71 Dec 2013 #463

LOL redqueen Dec 2013 #468

you did not address a single thing i posted. YOU are making up your own argument to throw YOUR seabeyond Dec 2013 #320

"fuck that trash"??? truebrit71 Dec 2013 #464

anytime darlin' and i would never ignore you, the what appears to be satire is too delicious. seabeyond Dec 2013 #471

Where do you think "adult sexual harassment" behavior starts? xulamaude Dec 2013 #428

So this six-year old is the next Ted Bundy? truebrit71 Dec 2013 #461

Possibly. I asked where you think xulamaude Dec 2013 #466

A lot of things has been called normal, KitSileya Dec 2013 #146

He's a six year old sexual deviant! Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #154

"He's a six year old sexual deviant!" one poster besides you running around saying shit like this. seabeyond Dec 2013 #168

He is... Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #183

one post where i called the kid a sexual predator. one. one post where i blame the kid for his seabeyond Dec 2013 #190

I'm taking my ball and I'm going home. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #192

yea seabeyond Dec 2013 #197

get over it. BainsBane Dec 2013 #290

I sat on a jury for this.... NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #292

I never noticed him before the rape porn threads BainsBane Dec 2013 #294

Now, that's funny. pintobean Dec 2013 #302

40 posts, i asked.... who are you? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #303

You mean like this poster? Puglover Dec 2013 #356

No, not like that poster BainsBane Dec 2013 #360

Of course! Puglover Dec 2013 #362

Yes, I can see why you find that so objectionable BainsBane Dec 2013 #365

And add Puglover Dec 2013 #368

Indeed pintobean Dec 2013 #377

I voted hide,wtf is up with this person? Go Vols Dec 2013 #336

Awww. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #338

I seldom get mad Go Vols Dec 2013 #339

The world isn't black and white. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #340

As Skinner recently noted in ATA BainsBane Dec 2013 #366

But he can be taught. MattBaggins Dec 2013 #247

boys will be boys, after all. And when he's taught that this is okay, why geek tragedy Dec 2013 #200

How were you brought up that you view kissing a girl MattBaggins Dec 2013 #246

Yes that must be it... Decaffeinated Dec 2013 #287

Sad tidings to those here in the 16th century. Charges hath been dropped. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #149

charges where never made. but fuck the truth, reality or fact. right? seabeyond Dec 2013 #150

Nobly said, and with thy usual eloquence. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #153

it is a punishment when talking failed, time out failed, in school suspension failed, out of school seabeyond Dec 2013 #155

No it is not a charge gollygee Dec 2013 #157

I leave it to you oh so jolly lot to spilt hairs. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #160

It isn't splitting hairs gollygee Dec 2013 #162

split hairs? truth. lie. reality. illusion. split hairs? lol. going to jail. not. seabeyond Dec 2013 #163

I leave the theater of the absurd to you. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #170

oh my god, how you have to fit that square peg into your round hole. lmao. what you will find, seabeyond Dec 2013 #171

Another win xulamaude Dec 2013 #242

How is that inappropriate? BainsBane Dec 2013 #327

Way to perpetuate the rape culture, Canon City Schools. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #156

you do this little boy no good, with this attitude. you only set him up for failure. why? seabeyond Dec 2013 #159

Whatever happened to this: Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #164

nuthin' you have nuthin'. seabeyond Dec 2013 #165

Cheap shot. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #167

that is all he has. yet to have one post of substance. no reality in his running around with hair seabeyond Dec 2013 #169

Sounds familiar. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #173

it should sound familiar as i have watched a number of your posts being simply immature failures seabeyond Dec 2013 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #179

Project much? Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #185

actually talking about child development, parenting, responsibility of school, and us as a seabeyond Dec 2013 #193

Yup. I'm terrible. Thats why you respond to my every post Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #196

ya. lol. every. single. one. what, you have only posted 4 or 5 posts in months, years???? seabeyond Dec 2013 #198

+1 Puglover Dec 2013 #359

really? one in a trillion? not a 100, not a million, but trillion? the post you refer to seabeyond Dec 2013 #371

Golly Sea. Puglover Dec 2013 #374

ah. so accusing a person of lacking substance is cool. backing it up, not so much. challenging an seabeyond Dec 2013 #376

Where are the three billy goats when you need them MattBaggins Dec 2013 #250

Probably changing their socks. n/t JTFrog Dec 2013 #381

No, it's you "boys will be boys so let them assault girls" types who are in the 16th century. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #181

Should children be taught about inappropriate behavior? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #248

Because in the 21st century, obtaining consent before touching another person BainsBane Dec 2013 #293

Verily. Oh well, I'm sure there are other witches to burn. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #436

Come on Jeff, really? Witches eating boys? xulamaude Dec 2013 #439

boundaries are good, arent they lumberjack> nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #440

This stopped being about the kid in question a day or so ago. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #470

ah. when there was a made up story by mom, there was a boundary discussion? cause the moms story seabeyond Dec 2013 #472

There are two moms and two stories. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #473

i guess you are totally overlooking the many men that professed it is boys being boys, seabeyond Dec 2013 #475

It may very well be boys being boys. Being a boy is not a sickness. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #476

so. when i read warren saying there were emotionally damaged... you are talking about duers. this seabeyond Dec 2013 #477

Yes. I'm sticking up for this boy. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #483

When a parent rushes to the media and compalins about how her child can do no wrong... joeybee12 Dec 2013 #152

It's a difficult case but I'm glad you posted this -- TBF Dec 2013 #166

What would the reaction have been if the boy had been planting unwanted kisses on another boy? Nine Dec 2013 #178

It is interesting that those that keep repeating incessantly Vinnie From Indy Dec 2013 #203

no one is hanging anything on the kid. and those saying it is the parents failure, are the ones seabeyond Dec 2013 #204

the parents aren't teaching him--they're going on television saying what he did was just fine. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #216

Somebody has some sharp helicopter blades. RedCloud Dec 2013 #205

Helicopter parents are one of the scourges in education. duffyduff Dec 2013 #228

Why would a girl be subjected to ridicule MattBaggins Dec 2013 #253

um. the sons mom was on news last night saying she was a GF and wanted it. teachers, school cant seabeyond Dec 2013 #254

I'm certain this has been asked but whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #222

yes, it would be. KitSileya Dec 2013 #224

Facepalm MattBaggins Dec 2013 #257

So the mother was there and she is telling the truth. You know this, right? duffyduff Dec 2013 #227

Which mother are you talking of? KitSileya Dec 2013 #229

Which mother? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #258

no. it is not a feminist issue. it is a parental issue. thank you for taking it away from a seabeyond Dec 2013 #259

What standing would the mercuryblues Dec 2013 #446

I guess when the shoe is on the other foot in a couple of years when her daughter is chasing down Pisces Dec 2013 #231

if her daughter is kissing , touching guys who told her to stop she should be punished also JI7 Dec 2013 #241

He's 6 !!! My god do you people not have children??? I tell my kids not to do lots of things they Pisces Dec 2013 #252

it's not normal to continue to touch another person when told to stop, and now you are blaming JI7 Dec 2013 #260

He kissed her had for gods sake!! Kids like to bother people that makes them do annoying shit Pisces Dec 2013 #274

it's been said many times that there were no legal authorities involved in this, he was not legally JI7 Dec 2013 #275

repeatedly... the parents were told. the kids talked to. then time out and told. then inschool seabeyond Dec 2013 #283

Six year olds can easily understand they may not touch and kiss others if it is unwanted MattBaggins Dec 2013 #264

That is ridiculous. Of course he can be taught not to kiss her. If the parents are never informed Pisces Dec 2013 #271

the parent was informed and there were no authorities alerted in this case JI7 Dec 2013 #276

the parent was repeatedly told about the issue. she said he is an energitic boy, bf, gf and the seabeyond Dec 2013 #284

Funny how so many people feel the need to LIE about this story. Mariana Dec 2013 #291

yes. there certainly is the strong push to fabricate this story. i assumed it was cause so many seabeyond Dec 2013 #296

Yep, outright lying or just playing stupid, all in an effort to spin, spin, spin. nt redqueen Dec 2013 #444

no one labeled him a sex offender. but i certainly see where blame the victim comes in, from the seabeyond Dec 2013 #261

How in the hell do you know she did any of that? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #263

Are you playing at ignorance? No one is blaming or shaming. The adults need to learn how to handle Pisces Dec 2013 #277

just did not have that issue with my two boys. firstly. secondly, third time. the parent was seabeyond Dec 2013 #285

The boy was told repeatedly MattBaggins Dec 2013 #286

And properly punishing them for it is appropriate MattBaggins Dec 2013 #289

His mother WAS TOLD MORE THAN ONCE, and the boy WAS tblue37 Dec 2013 #322

agreed, she was harassed but repeated assault... Deep13 Dec 2013 #333

I have read up on the matter more and I do acknowledge that he was reprimanded more than once. What Pisces Dec 2013 #378

The mother, Jade Masters-Ownbey, had better keep her mouth shut. duffyduff Dec 2013 #262

Un fucking beleivable MattBaggins Dec 2013 #266

At Fri Dec 13, 2013, 01:41 PM an alert was sent on the following post: In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #474

wow. really, lets just dig out our pitch forks and torches and run her out of town. seabeyond Dec 2013 #268

What that poster really thinks victims should do is shut up and get victimized again. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #306

ahhh. i knew there some anger there. i read from above the info. no, people are not making it seabeyond Dec 2013 #313

That's disgusting. idwiyo Dec 2013 #387

Telling a victim's family to shut up? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #353

Why are you posting personal information and filthy insinuations about girl's mother on DU? idwiyo Dec 2013 #400

Jade needs to shut up if she cares about her career. duffyduff Dec 2013 #279

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Just straight up saying a woman should "shut up" xulamaude Dec 2013 #308

Message deleted by DU the Administrators LeftyMom Dec 2013 #309

This message was self-deleted by its author pintobean Dec 2013 #312

Kitsileya, I think you have unwittingly created the Squinch Dec 2013 #301

Given the ages of the participants, forget the sexual part. It's just harrassment. Bullying. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #304

Yeah, in full context it's pretty bad. RandySF Dec 2013 #311

I cannot believe the term "rape culture" is even in this thread LittleBlue Dec 2013 #334

as far as using that term in this thread, it is not about the 6 yr old. it would be the grown men seabeyond Dec 2013 #335

But this doesn't have anything to do with rape LittleBlue Dec 2013 #337

You really need to learn the definition of rape culture. KitSileya Dec 2013 #342

Nothing about this was sexual LittleBlue Dec 2013 #343

It was kissing, and the boy's mother referred to them as boyfriend and girlfriend. KitSileya Dec 2013 #344

there was aggression, can we agree. and there was kissing. to suggest it does not tie in is lame. seabeyond Dec 2013 #346

Rape culture isn't just the action between two people (rape, assault, or violating boundaries). NuclearDem Dec 2013 #347

You're fighting a losing battle. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #351

Prevention of harassment of others is the key. I don't get your point. CTyankee Dec 2013 #363

He clearly has an issue respecting personal boundaries BainsBane Dec 2013 #370

Yes, that is exactly it. KitSileya Dec 2013 #341

What I would like to know and is missing from everything I have read about this, is RC Dec 2013 #386

the students knew she did not want it, hence going to teacher. the teachers knew she did not want seabeyond Dec 2013 #389

Except on DU, there is nothing about the students knowing the girl didn't want it. RC Dec 2013 #403

of course. and i expect no less. hence, she really wanted all the kissing, just wasnt brave enough seabeyond Dec 2013 #405

An I am oh so tired of the RC Dec 2013 #415

male bashing. so, saying a child should learn boundaries, not get a pass with boys will be boys, is seabeyond Dec 2013 #417

This is only the latest so far. RC Dec 2013 #432

so. then for you. it IS male bashing suggesting a boy needs to learn boundaries. wow. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #435

thank you. i better understand why you are seeing male bashing all around. no behavior is to be seabeyond Dec 2013 #437

so, a mother that does not draw a line for son, gives him sexual harassment, puts him in front of seabeyond Dec 2013 #411

I don't think the little girl wanted it at all .... but I agree with you polly7 Dec 2013 #412

they should nto be thought of as victim because they are girls. that would be absurd. they should seabeyond Dec 2013 #416

Ya, no shit. polly7 Dec 2013 #419

little girls should not be thought of as victims because they're girls seabeyond Dec 2013 #424

Gah ...... gotta go do something. Not sure what, but I'll find something. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #430

I've told you before not to lie about what I said. polly7 Dec 2013 #458

yada yada. first sentence. stopped reading. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #459

I figured you would ...... clearly, respecting boundaries of any type are something polly7 Dec 2013 #484

Are you saying that you will only believe the girl didn't want it if she speaks in front of cameras? KitSileya Dec 2013 #441

And even then, girls be lying, doncha know. historylovr Dec 2013 #449

"The women I know are stronger than that." xulamaude Dec 2013 #450

what is really interesting about the poster are so many "tells" on how he really feels about women. seabeyond Dec 2013 #451

No, I am saying the opposite. The women and girls do not normally take a lot of shit from others. RC Dec 2013 #456

When was the last time YOU were a GIRL? nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #457

Really? That is your response? RC Dec 2013 #460

Yep. Keep walking. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #465

You wish... RC Dec 2013 #467

Back so soon? xulamaude Dec 2013 #469

We don't know because of the focus. historylovr Dec 2013 #395

I googled the story. RC Dec 2013 #407

"Why didn't the girl herself put a stop to it, if she didn't like it?" *slaps forehead* bettyellen Dec 2013 #398

Reminds me of 'bullying isn't a problem, bullied kids should just stand up to them'. redqueen Dec 2013 #404

yes. cause girls are much stronger than that. why does she not have her "fuck you" sea legs yet at 6 seabeyond Dec 2013 #408

good point, yes. when I was in Chile I saw a lot of kids gone wild- one kicked me in the head bettyellen Dec 2013 #413

Yeah, girls are so weak and defenseless against six year olds. RC Dec 2013 #409

she did what she could to stop it, are you really blaming the six year old girl here? bettyellen Dec 2013 #422

No, I am blaming the adults at the school for not handling this properly in the first place. RC Dec 2013 #438

Really? You think the school's first action was to "charge" the bully with sexual harassment? redqueen Dec 2013 #443

the kid was not, NOT charges with sexual harassment. that is ONE fact we know for sure. why would seabeyond Dec 2013 #448

The same lies, over and over and over again. nt. Mariana Dec 2013 #452

i would say this post is the height of tells in what is happening in our society today with girls seabeyond Dec 2013 #453

I know you have sons, and they've had their own experiences. Mariana Dec 2013 #455

Perhaps because she is a child and looks R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #421

When I was in elementary school about 1955 leftyladyfrommo Dec 2013 #396

Back then he would have been drafted into the army if he Cleita Dec 2013 #418

I used to beat the crap out of any little boy who tried Cleita Dec 2013 #425

One of my friends used to just kick the shit out of boys who bothered her. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2013 #486

Oh my! I didn't go so far to hurting them by throwing Cleita Dec 2013 #487

Really. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2013 #488

bunch of sick puppies lillypaddle Dec 2013 #423

Here we go again. Mariana Dec 2013 #454

I agree up to a point. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #480

This changes my perception Bradical79 Dec 2013 #478

OMG someone responds sensibly to this whole thing gollygee Dec 2013 #482

curb stomp that little predator mwrguy Dec 2013 #481

It sounds like the school did the right thing. n/t Ian David Dec 2013 #485