Defending Assange against sexual assault allegations

[Zorra]

330. It's already very clear what the plaintiffs are alleging.

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But I did not see anywhere, in what you posted, that said that Assange admitted to having non-consensual sex.

You can infer and assume whatever you wish from that article, based on the allegations made by the plaintiffs and court ruling on the allegations, but that does not make the allegations factual.

If I willingly, without reservation, consent to share a bed with a person, and, willingly, without reservation, consent to have sex with that person, I still have the power to say "yes" or "no" to whatever act my partner wishes to perform on me. So if we're fucking several times over a period of hours, and we fall asleep, and my clearly consensual sex partner decides to kiss me, play with my breast, or put her finger inside me, while I am sleeping, and I wake up and clearly say, "no", "stop", or "I don't want you to do that", and she continues her behavior after I have said no, then yes, she is sexually assaulting/raping me.

In which case, I avoid further contact with the person who assaulted/raped me, and justifiably consider filing charges against my assailant.

If I wake up during this episode, and don't say "no", "stop", or "I don't want you to do that", then, in my worldview, I am essentially giving my consensual partner consent to continue, as long as my partner is not threatening me with force if I do not continue.

If I wake up under these circumstances, and do not say "no, "stop", or "I don't want you to do that", but after the encounter decide that this consensual partner raped or sexually assaulted me, and then consent to, and in fact do, share a room with this consensual sex partner four days later, and do not ask this person to leave, or call the police to extricate and arrest this person, who I will, within the next few days, go to the police and allege raped me, then you, and anyone else, is welcome to believe that I am not being honest.

Even when there is no slam dunk for me later getting a very lucrative book deal, or becoming wealthy by other means because of my reporting my encounter with this former consensual partner as a sexual assault.

Again. No means no, don't means don't, and stop means stop. If someone forces sex on me after I have made it clear that I do not want to have sex with them, then they are sexually assaulting/raping me.

And just like Warren said in post 189:

One simple solution would be for the US to assure him that he wouldn't also be

Extradited here, period, for any wikileaks related charges.

Keep the sexual assault and wikileaks stuff totally separate, that would put a big hole in the arguments of his defenders. Seems to me.

I think this is a great idea.

JULIAN Assange says he won't leave the Ecuadorean embassy in London even if Sweden drops its investigation into allegations he sexually assaulted two women.

The WikiLeaks founder made the surprise announcement during an anniversary interview to mark one year since he sought refuge inside the diplomatic mission.

Mr Assange believes the United States has likely already issued a sealed extradition order meaning if he left the embassy he'd be arrested by British police and taken to the US to face charges over WikiLeaks' release of classified documents.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/julian-assange-says-hell-stay-in-ecuador-embassy-even-if-sweden-drops-case/story-e6frg6nf-1226666056575

"My case could be swiftly resolved if Sweden were to guarantee that I would not be extradited to the US or if the British government would guarantee to veto any such extradition to the US.

"While I remain hopeful that a diplomatic solution can be reached, or that the Swedish and US authorities will cease their pursuit of me, it remains the case that it is highly unlikely that Sweden or the UK will ever publicly say no to the US in this matter."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-will-stay-in-ecuador-embassy-even-if-sweden-sex-charges-dropped-8664500.html

Ecuador asylum request
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_Authority#Ecuador_asylum_request
Since 19 June 2012, Assange lives in the Embassy of Ecuador in London, where he had asked for and was granted political asylum.[60] Ecuador offered to allow Swedish prosecutors to question Assange at the Embassy in London, but this was turned down by the Swedish prosecutors.[61] Assange has claimed he would go to Sweden if provided with a diplomatic guarantee that he would not be turned over to the United States[62] but the Swedish foreign ministry stated that Sweden's legislation does not allow any judicial decision like extradition to be predetermined.[63]

Bullshit on every front.

So, come on Sweden. If this is real, and you are not full of shit, and not using this frivolous case totally as an excuse to have Julian arrested and extradited, then just do it! What have you got to lose? If you don't do this, or some similar reasonable compromise, most rational people will have no choice but to believe you are totally full of shit. Just do it! You know you can. Put up, or shut up. But, of course, Julian is already essentially imprisoned and neutralized, so there is no reason for y'all to ever bother resolving this case, is there? The MIC is very pleased with you, we're sure. Congratulations!

Waiting.