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freshwest

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45. It really doesn't matter if the media reports except in national votes. The states are being changed
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:24 PM
Dec 2013
from the school house, the parks, the roads, the hospitals one by one. People that are involved and talk face to face without benefit of the media do these things 365 days a year.

We don't talk about it on the net as we get our cues from the media stories that are easily transfered to texts and pixels. There are revolutions in states and cities now. It depends on who shows up, not how they are portrayed.


In my area, we have full social services, parks, new public schools, help for emigrants, we know what is going on, it's quite transparent. We literally vote on how the schools will function and how the utility will be run, and all of that. We have found out what ALEC was doing, what corporations were doing with elections, called those who took the money and were screwing us and put a stop to it.

We support unions, public transportation and alternative power and we pay for them. We vote repeatedly all year, and most of those are for tax increases to fund what we think makes for a good society and public workers. We have guns but don't threaten others in public.

We are against inserting religion in government and we voted for marriage equality and protect women's rights to choice and equal pay. We welcome emigrants and do all we can to integrate them into our society, providing them translators for all functions. Our elections are clean and there is no call to shut people out of the vote, in fact our government goes out of its way to guarantee the right to vote to everyone.

Go to another state and a city, and those who show up, and for the last decade it's been GOP corporate activists, and the Tea Party, who turn the schools creationist, charter, private, eliminate all social services, privatize to hand over land and infrastructure and let theology rule, run around like rootin' tootin' cowboys, and you have red state hell. They welcome the Koch brothers as their heroes, think ALEC is great and theocracy is their goal.

They think paying taxes is a sin. For them, public transportation is worthless as are the poor and emigrant, gays and others, and hate labor and public workers, take away equal pay and refuse women the right to choose, and punish emigrants for being in their borders and scream that they should be deported or learn to speak English. Their governments work to deny the vote to everyone they can, save the GOP Tea Party.

There is already a movement to rewrite the Constitution from the right. Paul Ryan wants to get enough states red to call within their state legislators for a Constitutional convention, and they can do it. That's why we see these stories lauding Iceland to encourage it here. Ryan has stated their intent is to eliminate the 14th amendment, but it won't stop there, once the rightwingers get their hands in the Constitutional toolbox.

Anyone who respects the 14th and what it has given us, which is more than the 4th, with Due Process, Birthright Citizenship and Equal Treatment Under the Law has grown up in a society that has protections seldome seen in the world. But it took a Civil War to get and then the 15th and 16th to perfect it; plus another to get women and 18 year olds the right to vote.

Anyone who comprehends how hard it was to get these rights, does not want these fascists to have access to the power to steal them, which they have proven they intend to do.

The Tenther Movement wants to eliminate everything after the 10th, and we have not lived under that system for centuries. It's the perfect divide and conquer and set up state wide fiefdoms. Others would return to the Articles of Confederation. We have to consider that they did not touch on slavery and many other crimes.

That is why these gleeful calls to the attack the Bastille leave me cold. The powers infringing on us now are the primary voices calling for a revolution. From the right. A regressive revolution, and some are in denial that would happen. We have seen it with the election of Nixon, Reagan and Bush. Just think what they would do, the party of the fabled quote of the 'Constitution is just a piece of paper' when called out for war, torture and rendition.

We have the best system if we will fill the offices and do the ground work and not expect chaos to suddenly not turn into a utopian vision. It won't, it has not done so historically. It will lead to strong man governance, it always does.

I've listened to Birchers my entire life call for the evil government to be taken down for some pure vision they have. They are not gone, they are the Tea Party and the Koch brothers and others are very serious about creating that. They want to restrict by birth the personal and economic mobility for those they don't consider to be worthy of those rights, and we see that in deep red states now.

Based on years of seeing these things in action, reading and realizing that what feels good at first, is touted widely at first, ends up tasting very bad.



JMHO.

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well, goodness, we cannot have the average serf thinking s/he actually has the ability and the RIGHT niyad Dec 2013 #1
Yes, I can imagine it ! SamKnause Dec 2013 #2
It would be a second civil War warrant46 Dec 2013 #4
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #5
I live in an area that is 70% Repuke and 20% Libertarian and 10% left of center warrant46 Dec 2013 #6
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #7
God, Guns and Gays and people whose skin is darker than a paper bag warrant46 Dec 2013 #9
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #12
You too !! warrant46 Dec 2013 #24
How true. heaven05 Dec 2013 #15
What does African American self separation have to do with this? FrodosPet Dec 2013 #55
When I was in school tblue Dec 2013 #71
I feel for you... Rockyj Dec 2013 #68
Cold Civil War in progress PeoViejo Dec 2013 #17
Actually, it would be a Second American Revolution. and that's what we need right now!!!!! LongTomH Dec 2013 #20
And they bundled up the Loyalists and sent them to St John NB warrant46 Dec 2013 #28
It's worse than that. lark Dec 2013 #34
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #42
Actually both (D) and (R) platforms endorse the TPP solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #47
Oughta call it the Trans-Party Partnership. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #57
In the meantime most citizens have never even heard of the TPP. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #78
Population of Iceland: 320K struggle4progress Dec 2013 #3
Our original revolution zipplewrath Dec 2013 #14
and the 1776 revolution didn't come from a people totally united solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #48
Not to mention ... frazzled Dec 2013 #18
Not much Ethnic Diversity in Iceland PeoViejo Dec 2013 #19
What does that have to do with the US media ignoring what's happened and is happening there? Fumesucker Dec 2013 #30
IKR? Rex Dec 2013 #35
+320 million n/t solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #51
Because covering Iceland would be the same as covering any medium-small American bluestate10 Dec 2013 #54
Atually, I remember Iceland getting a lot of international coverage when Marr Dec 2013 #64
I dunno. When is the last time one of those cities quakerboy Dec 2013 #103
+ A shit load! nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #79
Amazing. oldandhappy Dec 2013 #8
Wow. Treant Dec 2013 #10
You don't want to give people ''ideas.'' Octafish Dec 2013 #11
It was supposed to be a Republic PeoViejo Dec 2013 #23
True. We need a Constitution for a Republic. Octafish Dec 2013 #25
It was intended to be a Republic with a great deal of Democracy LongTomH Dec 2013 #27
in all fairness Dustin DeWinde Dec 2013 #38
All we have is the election process and 2 shitty political parties. heaven05 Dec 2013 #13
Many did take to the streets solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #52
Not enough took it to the streets heaven05 Dec 2013 #93
Occupy was a start in that direction mindwalker_i Dec 2013 #16
we ALL need to stop being a bunch of wimps and unite solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #53
I have an answer albino65 Dec 2013 #21
Where do I sign. I've been wanting the House to be dissolved by national referendum or decree ancianita Dec 2013 #96
Sign my petition albino65 Dec 2013 #101
Couldn't find it in either site. Scrolled through 71 petitions on the first; not there. The URL ancianita Dec 2013 #102
the whole thing albino65 Dec 2013 #104
Thanks, but there's an order to using it. It has to be c/p after you click "sign a petition." ancianita Dec 2013 #105
I wish albino65 Dec 2013 #106
Not a problem.Glad to contribute in some small way.I used notehand "copy/paste." Sorry to confuse. ancianita Dec 2013 #107
Not whining albino65 Dec 2013 #108
Oh yeah! You're new! Welcome! I've been here for a few years, but there can be some touchy, ancianita Dec 2013 #109
DU Rec Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #22
If this happened in front of the White House... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #26
Ain't it the truth! n/t truedelphi Dec 2013 #46
Yep. It may as well be a US antiwar protest for all the coverage Corporate States of America valerief Dec 2013 #29
Unfortunately, that constitution has not yet been adopted in Iceland. pampango Dec 2013 #31
Thank you - and, as that points out, the parties in charge during the crash got voted back in muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #76
We overthrow Governments all the time...we call them elections. brooklynite Dec 2013 #32
good poinrs Dustin DeWinde Dec 2013 #40
It really doesn't matter if the media reports except in national votes. The states are being changed freshwest Dec 2013 #45
Do you think the events in Iceland are unworthy of notice? Fumesucker Dec 2013 #41
I think the MSM doesn't care about Iceland because the public doesn't care about Iceland... brooklynite Dec 2013 #44
The public doesn't care about Iceland because they haven't heard about Iceland in the media. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #82
It's not as if the OP has correctly informed anyone about the situation muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #77
Which means it was not a true revolution treestar Dec 2013 #49
HUMONGOUS K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #33
Not sure what you are celebrating, but cheers anyhow! FrodosPet Dec 2013 #80
Kick. We need to rejuvenate OWS and associated populist Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #36
Well you cannot expect the U.S. Corporate Media to bite the hand Rex Dec 2013 #37
Excellent points. solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #56
This story has been circulated for years. ProSense Dec 2013 #39
Thanks for that treestar Dec 2013 #50
The TPP has been "worked" on for years solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #59
Not sure what point you're making relevant to my comment. ProSense Dec 2013 #60
Wouldn't it have been great if Chris Matthews solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #90
Green for victory!!... SidDithers Dec 2013 #87
^^Icelandic Bankers Sentenced to Prison for Market Abuse WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2013 #97
This is incredibly infuriating... Bold censorship laid bare for all (all who ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #43
"Make No Mistake... only by subsidizing outrageous banker bonuses ..." MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #58
There are benefits to being a small country. gtar100 Dec 2013 #61
Will we invade and overthrow? upi402 Dec 2013 #62
Nope. Warm stuff. FrodosPet Dec 2013 #66
, blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #63
Our Congress Dan Dec 2013 #65
the corpo-crabs are too frightened of this news reaching millions here fascisthunter Dec 2013 #67
They'd much rather compare us to Italy and Greece Martin Eden Dec 2013 #69
They may overtake us as the 'Greatest Country in the World'™ tblue Dec 2013 #70
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #72
The 2-Hour economic documentary, "Icelandic Miracle"... nikto Dec 2013 #73
If Iceland gets hit with a 9-point earthquale and tsunami... nikto Dec 2013 #74
Put it on TV. Go ahead, I dare you. Hell, I double-dog dare you. Put it on instead of jtuck004 Dec 2013 #75
I don't think the pain level in the US.. sendero Dec 2013 #81
Buncha people beatin drums in the street and whining about how things are ain't gonna cut it. jtuck004 Dec 2013 #86
I don't disagree.. sendero Dec 2013 #88
Excellent excellent post solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #89
Rome fell from corruption. Internal decay. The rich being morally bankrupt and decadent heaven05 Dec 2013 #94
I didn't say I was giving up <G>. But there's too much magical thinking, jtuck004 Dec 2013 #95
well, I get you heaven05 Dec 2013 #98
I mean, there's a chance we might hit a dry spot and regain control, but that storm jtuck004 Dec 2013 #100
B...b...but they prevented a global-economic meltdown! KansDem Dec 2013 #83
They saved the world like the priest who saved the little boy by giving him communion valerief Dec 2013 #85
+1 accurate indeed solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #91
I really want this to be true.. Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #84
One of the reasons that the system is so successful is that unplugging from it is very Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #99
BRAVO Icelanders!!! liberalla Dec 2013 #92
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