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jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
86. Buncha people beatin drums in the street and whining about how things are ain't gonna cut it.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 07:22 AM
Dec 2013

What's the plan?

What, specifically, needs to be done? Investment in people, in education, in infrastructure? Nobody has a freakin' clue. They don't know enough. No one is seriously contemplating a country with no growth, because they can't even conceptualize it yet. We have never had to be that in our history, but all the places and things and people we used to exploit are no longer dependent on us. Where, then, do we find someone to screw over, except ourselves?

The consumers are 70% of this economy, and they have no money to spend that isn't borrowed. The job growth, as pitiful as it is, is very little more than an increase in people who serve hamburgers or make beds in motels which reflects the increase in our population from births and immigration.

We are doing relatively little to move ourselves into the future, while other countries are constantly investing in theirs. One example - we have people on one side jumping up and down about Mexicans flooding across the border illegally even though our experience is that they will help us become a stronger country as they get employed. On the other side are people jumping up and down to legalize immigration, even though the CBO says it is going to increase unemployment for a decade. In the meantime, however, Mexico and business people are investing in the education of people who live there, even paying people there to go to school so they can hire them. On this side we have taken schools, like Berkeley, for instance, where the tuition used to be free, and raised it to $14K a year, and in so doing have amassed nearly a trillion dollars in debt for students that will follow them to their graves, since only 50% are being hired in a job market where there are 3 people for every opening. Walmart opens the doors for 600 jobs and gets 26,000 applications, and we know massive numbers of their employees can only work there if the rest of us pay for their food, a subsidy to Walmart.

The job market is such that if one is 50 and unemployed, they are likely not going to see enough money to have any disposable income or savings, and will have to struggle until, and if, they can get to 62 where they have to take a smaller piece of their Social Security and will nothing else in the bank for retirement. And at that point they will live in poverty for the rest of their lives. And that is going to be the story for tens of millions of people.

Meanwhile we are paying criminals at the banks $85 billion a month, and they are letting that pile up at the Fed while we pay them interest on it, and they reported record earnings this year.

Wtf?

Both parties are destroying what was, and the most vociferous and radical cheerleaders for each side are driving the bus back and forth across the road like drunken sailors, over the top of everyone else.

Lets say some magic dust falls on everyone's heads and they get a clue - what is the plan for taking an economy which used to be based on growth and moving it forward based on no growth. None, relatively speaking. We are a net debtor to the rest of the world. We are spending time pawing at the shiny stuff like our national debt, when what we ought to be literally screaming about is the trade imbalance. To fix that is going to require at least 30-50 trillion dollars, just to get us back even with where we were 10 or 15 years ago. It would be a decade or more before we could even hope to make progress toward that, and that is if we started today. But it's not even on the table.

We are literally moving backwards for the first time in this country's history, with no foundation at all, and I think the majority of our 300+ million people simply refuse to acknowledge what is in front of their face. We have been floating this country on loans and borrowed money while the wealthy sell off our assets since roughly 1980, and when this little financial mirage that we have been running on debt comes apart, so will we.

I think it is already game over, and no one wants to realize that there may be nothing we can do to stop it. We are just waiting on the precipitating event, whatever that may be, and then...

But I may be too optimistic

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well, goodness, we cannot have the average serf thinking s/he actually has the ability and the RIGHT niyad Dec 2013 #1
Yes, I can imagine it ! SamKnause Dec 2013 #2
It would be a second civil War warrant46 Dec 2013 #4
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #5
I live in an area that is 70% Repuke and 20% Libertarian and 10% left of center warrant46 Dec 2013 #6
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #7
God, Guns and Gays and people whose skin is darker than a paper bag warrant46 Dec 2013 #9
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #12
You too !! warrant46 Dec 2013 #24
How true. heaven05 Dec 2013 #15
What does African American self separation have to do with this? FrodosPet Dec 2013 #55
When I was in school tblue Dec 2013 #71
I feel for you... Rockyj Dec 2013 #68
Cold Civil War in progress PeoViejo Dec 2013 #17
Actually, it would be a Second American Revolution. and that's what we need right now!!!!! LongTomH Dec 2013 #20
And they bundled up the Loyalists and sent them to St John NB warrant46 Dec 2013 #28
It's worse than that. lark Dec 2013 #34
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #42
Actually both (D) and (R) platforms endorse the TPP solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #47
Oughta call it the Trans-Party Partnership. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #57
In the meantime most citizens have never even heard of the TPP. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #78
Population of Iceland: 320K struggle4progress Dec 2013 #3
Our original revolution zipplewrath Dec 2013 #14
and the 1776 revolution didn't come from a people totally united solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #48
Not to mention ... frazzled Dec 2013 #18
Not much Ethnic Diversity in Iceland PeoViejo Dec 2013 #19
What does that have to do with the US media ignoring what's happened and is happening there? Fumesucker Dec 2013 #30
IKR? Rex Dec 2013 #35
+320 million n/t solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #51
Because covering Iceland would be the same as covering any medium-small American bluestate10 Dec 2013 #54
Atually, I remember Iceland getting a lot of international coverage when Marr Dec 2013 #64
I dunno. When is the last time one of those cities quakerboy Dec 2013 #103
+ A shit load! nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #79
Amazing. oldandhappy Dec 2013 #8
Wow. Treant Dec 2013 #10
You don't want to give people ''ideas.'' Octafish Dec 2013 #11
It was supposed to be a Republic PeoViejo Dec 2013 #23
True. We need a Constitution for a Republic. Octafish Dec 2013 #25
It was intended to be a Republic with a great deal of Democracy LongTomH Dec 2013 #27
in all fairness Dustin DeWinde Dec 2013 #38
All we have is the election process and 2 shitty political parties. heaven05 Dec 2013 #13
Many did take to the streets solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #52
Not enough took it to the streets heaven05 Dec 2013 #93
Occupy was a start in that direction mindwalker_i Dec 2013 #16
we ALL need to stop being a bunch of wimps and unite solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #53
I have an answer albino65 Dec 2013 #21
Where do I sign. I've been wanting the House to be dissolved by national referendum or decree ancianita Dec 2013 #96
Sign my petition albino65 Dec 2013 #101
Couldn't find it in either site. Scrolled through 71 petitions on the first; not there. The URL ancianita Dec 2013 #102
the whole thing albino65 Dec 2013 #104
Thanks, but there's an order to using it. It has to be c/p after you click "sign a petition." ancianita Dec 2013 #105
I wish albino65 Dec 2013 #106
Not a problem.Glad to contribute in some small way.I used notehand "copy/paste." Sorry to confuse. ancianita Dec 2013 #107
Not whining albino65 Dec 2013 #108
Oh yeah! You're new! Welcome! I've been here for a few years, but there can be some touchy, ancianita Dec 2013 #109
DU Rec Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #22
If this happened in front of the White House... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #26
Ain't it the truth! n/t truedelphi Dec 2013 #46
Yep. It may as well be a US antiwar protest for all the coverage Corporate States of America valerief Dec 2013 #29
Unfortunately, that constitution has not yet been adopted in Iceland. pampango Dec 2013 #31
Thank you - and, as that points out, the parties in charge during the crash got voted back in muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #76
We overthrow Governments all the time...we call them elections. brooklynite Dec 2013 #32
good poinrs Dustin DeWinde Dec 2013 #40
It really doesn't matter if the media reports except in national votes. The states are being changed freshwest Dec 2013 #45
Do you think the events in Iceland are unworthy of notice? Fumesucker Dec 2013 #41
I think the MSM doesn't care about Iceland because the public doesn't care about Iceland... brooklynite Dec 2013 #44
The public doesn't care about Iceland because they haven't heard about Iceland in the media. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #82
It's not as if the OP has correctly informed anyone about the situation muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #77
Which means it was not a true revolution treestar Dec 2013 #49
HUMONGOUS K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #33
Not sure what you are celebrating, but cheers anyhow! FrodosPet Dec 2013 #80
Kick. We need to rejuvenate OWS and associated populist Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #36
Well you cannot expect the U.S. Corporate Media to bite the hand Rex Dec 2013 #37
Excellent points. solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #56
This story has been circulated for years. ProSense Dec 2013 #39
Thanks for that treestar Dec 2013 #50
The TPP has been "worked" on for years solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #59
Not sure what point you're making relevant to my comment. ProSense Dec 2013 #60
Wouldn't it have been great if Chris Matthews solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #90
Green for victory!!... SidDithers Dec 2013 #87
^^Icelandic Bankers Sentenced to Prison for Market Abuse WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2013 #97
This is incredibly infuriating... Bold censorship laid bare for all (all who ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #43
"Make No Mistake... only by subsidizing outrageous banker bonuses ..." MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #58
There are benefits to being a small country. gtar100 Dec 2013 #61
Will we invade and overthrow? upi402 Dec 2013 #62
Nope. Warm stuff. FrodosPet Dec 2013 #66
, blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #63
Our Congress Dan Dec 2013 #65
the corpo-crabs are too frightened of this news reaching millions here fascisthunter Dec 2013 #67
They'd much rather compare us to Italy and Greece Martin Eden Dec 2013 #69
They may overtake us as the 'Greatest Country in the World'™ tblue Dec 2013 #70
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #72
The 2-Hour economic documentary, "Icelandic Miracle"... nikto Dec 2013 #73
If Iceland gets hit with a 9-point earthquale and tsunami... nikto Dec 2013 #74
Put it on TV. Go ahead, I dare you. Hell, I double-dog dare you. Put it on instead of jtuck004 Dec 2013 #75
I don't think the pain level in the US.. sendero Dec 2013 #81
Buncha people beatin drums in the street and whining about how things are ain't gonna cut it. jtuck004 Dec 2013 #86
I don't disagree.. sendero Dec 2013 #88
Excellent excellent post solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #89
Rome fell from corruption. Internal decay. The rich being morally bankrupt and decadent heaven05 Dec 2013 #94
I didn't say I was giving up <G>. But there's too much magical thinking, jtuck004 Dec 2013 #95
well, I get you heaven05 Dec 2013 #98
I mean, there's a chance we might hit a dry spot and regain control, but that storm jtuck004 Dec 2013 #100
B...b...but they prevented a global-economic meltdown! KansDem Dec 2013 #83
They saved the world like the priest who saved the little boy by giving him communion valerief Dec 2013 #85
+1 accurate indeed solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #91
I really want this to be true.. Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #84
One of the reasons that the system is so successful is that unplugging from it is very Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #99
BRAVO Icelanders!!! liberalla Dec 2013 #92
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